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Junior Rugby [Social Rugby] Season 2016/2017

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,721 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    devolution wrote: »
    Division 10 half way through the season is getting tight at the top!
    Should make for an interesting few weeks ahead With a few players will start hitting the 6 game rule !

    A great four way battle brewing alright. Terenure vs Belvo next week is a very important game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭devolution


    Belvo are looking very strong , some decent forwards & fancy backs !


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    .ak wrote: »
    Just played our last game of 2016 (clontarf div11) and we're sitting on top of the table, so good so far.

    Great game against Normans in castle avenue yesterday. I don't recall ever being this sore the day after a game. I could barely walk today!

    Only downside is there seems to be an increase on teams not fielding players this season in div10/11... didn't seem to be as much of an issue in the last couple of seasons.

    Numbers are definitely down and there's a few teams playing more for social than the league. They'll pick and choose the games to play and concede the ones they don't fancy. I suspect the Warriors won't be getting any walkovers...


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    .ak wrote: »
    Just played our last game of 2016 (clontarf div11) and we're sitting on top of the table, so good so far.

    Great game against Normans in castle avenue yesterday. I don't recall ever being this sore the day after a game. I could barely walk today!

    Only downside is there seems to be an increase on teams not fielding players this season in div10/11... didn't seem to be as much of an issue in the last couple of seasons.
    Shame to see more teams not fielding at the lower levels but if the system is working then this is the level where games wont be played as games will be played higher up with clubs bottom sides the ones losing out on a game.
    gaius c wrote: »
    Numbers are definitely down and there's a few teams playing more for social than the league. They'll pick and choose the games to play and concede the ones they don't fancy. I suspect the Warriors won't be getting any walkovers...
    Shame to see numbers down. Any particular reasons? Good to see teams just playing socially and not interested in league in one sense. Hopefully it'll mean more will be playing the game....
    Still weighing up when to start playing again. May go back J2 in Galway next season if still there and will cert play if in Dublin for next season....


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    The social teams mess up the league though. They pick and choose what games they'll play and they tend to field when they reckon they've an easy win coming up. It's a social league, not a platform for flat track bullies to hammer teams trying to make a proper first of it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Social rugby has a lot of meanings. Our J4 team last season was a social rugby team. A lot of players who had played together for 20 years, drank together and socialised together. They didn't train at all, just turned up and played games every Saturday. They won the league comfortably though, I would describe it as a social team though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 Blizzards


    stephen_n wrote: »
    Social rugby has a lot of meanings. Our J4 team last season was a social rugby team. A lot of players who had played together for 20 years, drank together and socialised together. They didn't train at all, just turned up and played games every Saturday. They won the league comfortably though, I would describe it as a social team though.

    Would you say they were in the wrong league???Don't think i could play a match with out training, sounds like torture.
    I never really liked the term social rugby and always found it a little insulting. I play in the lower divisions as i am only playing a few years but i train just as hard as the other teams and want to win just as much. I would say most teams socialise together but i don't think that should define the level at which they play rugby. It should based on ability and i reckon for the most part it is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Blizzards wrote: »
    Would you say they were in the wrong league???Don't think i could play a match with out training, sounds like torture.
    I never really liked the term social rugby and always found it a little insulting. I play in the lower divisions as i am only playing a few years but i train just as hard as the other teams and want to win just as much. I would say most teams socialise together but i don't think that should define the level at which they play rugby. It should based on ability and i reckon for the most part it is.
    I don't think so, the leagues above would be younger and far fitter, think j4 is a reasonable level for a bunch of old lads out for the craic. That's social rugby to me. A lot of the time playing j3 at my age isn't fun and I would consider myself fairly fit. It's a hard line to judge though. No one wants to go out and get hammered, well maybe after the game but not on the scoreboard. But guys in their late thirtys and early 40's don't want to be chasing kids either, they just want a game and a few pints afterwards. If you end up with a really good team, they'll win the league and move up one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Well that's the beauty of having the new divisions. There isn't a jump from j4 to j3 anymore. There's 11 divisions so the gradient isn't as steep.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    I played in both our Division 7 and division 5 teams last year and the difference is still big enough at times.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    By social I mean teams that don't train in any sort of dedicated manner. Typically they'll be pretty good standard players but not wanting to play serious rugby.

    Don't think formal leagues is the place for them. They might not mean harm but they mess it up for teams that want to take it seriously.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    gaius c wrote: »
    By social I mean teams that don't train in any sort of dedicated manner. Typically they'll be pretty good standard players but not wanting to play serious rugby.

    Don't think formal leagues is the place for them. They might not mean harm but they mess it up for teams that want to take it seriously.
    But the formal leagues has to be their place until/unless you have a proper alternative.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    Winters cup is going to be split this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Moved up to Galway a few months back and looking to get back into Rugby. Haven't played since U14's (23 now). Can this still be done or have I missed out on too much? Who should I talk to?

    Thanks,

    Dan


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Daniel S wrote: »
    Moved up to Galway a few months back and looking to get back into Rugby. Haven't played since U14's (23 now). Can this still be done or have I missed out on too much? Who should I talk to?

    Thanks,

    Dan
    Yes it can be done. There is 4 clubs in the city. Galwegians and Corinthians are the senior clubs in the city. Both field 3 sides at adult level. Their 3rd teams are very much social teams which would be suitable for you.
    NUIG are an open club and there is plenty of members who are not students playing with them. They have 2 adult sides. One playing at j2 level, same level as Galwegians and Corinthians 3rds teams.
    In terms of who to talk to. Look at the Various club websites and see who are the clubs coaching contact/director of rugby and talk to them http://community.connachtrugby.ie/my-product/connacht-branch-regulations-2015-16/


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    All 6 cups have been drawn and fixtures are up on leinster website.

    Some of the cups are starting the weekend after next.
    Metro cup
    1st round
    Barnhall v Trinity
    Marys v Clontarf
    Monkstown v UCD
    Old Wesley v Old Belvedere
    Wanderers v DLSP
    Greystones v Terenure
    Lansdowne v Blackrock
    Malahide v Seapoint

    Albert O Connell J2 Cup
    1st Round
    Clontarf v Bective
    Suttonians v Stillorglin
    Terenure v Railway Union
    2nd round
    Clontarf/Bective v Suttonians/Stillorglin
    Old Belvedere v Old Wesley
    Coolmine v Lansdowne
    St Marys v winners Terenure/Railway

    Moran J3 Cup
    1st Round
    UCD v Malahide
    Garda v MU Barnhall
    Bective v Monkstown
    Railway Union v DLSP
    2nd Round
    Coolmine v Lansdowne
    Wanderers v Blackrock
    Bective/Monkstown v Railway Union/DLSP

    Winters J4 Cup
    1st Round
    CYM v Trinity
    Guinness v Wanderers
    Old Belvedere v Greystones
    Clontarf v St Marys
    2nd Round
    CYM/Trinity v Guinness/Wanferers
    Old Wesley v Coolmine
    Terenure v Barnhall
    Old Belvedere/Greystones v Clontarf/St Marys

    O Connor J5 Cup
    1st Round
    Tallaght v Trinity
    Bective v Coolmine
    Blackrock v Old Wesley
    Parkmore v Stillorglin
    Seapoint v DLSP
    2nd Round
    AIB v Clontarf

    Guilfoyle-Jame J6 Cup
    1st Round
    Emerald Warriors v Clontarf
    Malahide v Bective
    Monkstown v Suttonians
    MU Barnhall v St Marys
    Stillorglin v Old Belvedere
    2nd Round
    DLSP v BGF Ravens


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    gaius c wrote: »
    The social teams mess up the league though. They pick and choose what games they'll play and they tend to field when they reckon they've an easy win coming up. It's a social league, not a platform for flat track bullies to hammer teams trying to make a proper first of it.

    Definitely a case of that with one club that will remain nameless in Div11... I don't see the point of it myself. Team I saw them put out today was mostly made up of u20s/senior cup players which are on a totally different level you'd find in the lower divisions. What do they gain by trouncing teams who'll never be on their level?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    .ak wrote: »
    Definitely a case of that with one club that will remain nameless in Div11... I don't see the point of it myself. Team I saw them put out today was mostly made up of u20s/senior cup players which are on a totally different level you'd find in the lower divisions. What do they gain by trouncing teams who'll never be on their level?
    I know what club you are referring to. They set up a 20s team this season for first time in a long time and added another metro team to cope with the extra players not able to get a game with their 20s.
    I don't think they were able to get the team into a higher division than division 11. They should be playing 2/3 divisions higher


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    I know what club you are referring to. They set up a 20s team this season for first time in a long time and added another metro team to cope with the extra players not able to get a game with their 20s.
    I don't think they were able to get the team into a higher division than division 11. They should be playing 2/3 divisions higher

    At the very least. I reckon our div5 team would struggle with them.

    On a side note it's very weird feeling waking up in bits because a 19 year old centre walked all over you for 65 minutes.

    Like I don't even think we could drink with them after if they didn't have ID! :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Any Guiness players on here? I hear that the Iveagh grounds was bought by Trinity is that true? how will it affect the sports teams there and specifically the rugby team?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    salmocab wrote: »
    Any Guiness players on here? I hear that the Iveagh grounds was bought by Trinity is that true? how will it affect the sports teams there and specifically the rugby team?
    Im not but from what I know. Trinity have been rumoured to take it over but the sports teams there will stay there


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    .ak wrote: »
    At the very least. I reckon our div5 team would struggle with them.

    On a side note it's very weird feeling waking up in bits because a 19 year old centre walked all over you for 65 minutes.

    Like I don't even think we could drink with them after if they didn't have ID! :pac:
    Im not so sure on that(bit about div 5 side). They wouldn't have been let by competition committee to enter team into a higher division and its a second string 20s squad of a club who's main 20s are division 3.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Im not but from what I know. Trinity have been rumoured to take it over but the sports teams there will stay there

    Ah good was thinking it would be a struggle for a small club to keep going without any facilities, cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Im not so sure on that(bit about div 5 side). They wouldn't have been let by competition committee to enter team into a higher division and its a second string 20s squad of a club who's main 20s are division 3.

    That's all well and good on paper, but I've played against our div5 side and train with them and whilst they're generally bigger guys at that level the guys we played on Saturday defo would've given our div5 side a good run. The pace and power u20s have coming through the system is on another level you get at Junior level imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    .ak wrote: »
    That's all well and good on paper, but I've played against our div5 side and train with them and whilst they're generally bigger guys at that level the guys we played on Saturday defo would've given our div5 side a good run. The pace and power u20s have coming through the system is on another level you get at Junior level imo.
    I saw this sides play earlier in the season and they would struggle considerably against teams at division 5/6 or higher. Not all 20s will have that pace and power particularly if they cant make a 20s side within a club that is competing in division 3 of the 20s league and not even doing well in that


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    .ak wrote: »
    That's all well and good on paper, but I've played against our div5 side and train with them and whilst they're generally bigger guys at that level the guys we played on Saturday defo would've given our div5 side a good run. The pace and power u20s have coming through the system is on another level you get at Junior level imo.

    Stopped playing a few years now and I hated playing against real young teams near the end except the young props, always fancied themselves always get eaten at scrum time that said they could generally run faster and longer than me but I don't relive those moments in the bar after a game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    I saw this sides play earlier in the season and they would struggle considerably against teams at division 5/6 or higher. Not all 20s will have that pace and power particularly if they cant make a 20s side within a club that is competing in division 3 of the 20s league and not even doing well in that

    In fairness all I said is they would give them a good go and a div5 could struggle with them (read: not lose).

    The point I'm making is they shouldn't be playing in Div11. For me Div10/11 is for teams of players who are getting back into the sport, or just starting, or have gotten too old for higher divisions.

    Putting in a team of that level in Div11.. What purpose does it serve other than make a mockery of guys who are actually putting in hard graft to win the league when they cherry pick what games they want to pick.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    .ak wrote: »
    In fairness all I said is they would give them a good go and a div5 could struggle with them (read: not lose).

    The point I'm making is they shouldn't be playing in Div11. For me Div10/11 is for teams of players who are getting back into the sport, or just starting, or have gotten too old for higher divisions.

    Putting in a team of that level in Div11.. What purpose does it serve other than make a mockery of guys who are actually putting in hard graft to win the league when they cherry pick what games they want to pick.
    This side will have had players playing 20s division 3 which isn't a high standard and there is also plenty of older newer players playing from when ive seen them play. They will move up into other teams if/when required.
    They probably shouldn't as a whole be playing division 11 but ive also seen plenty of them play 20s and higher teams on occasions.
    What other rugby should these guys play then?
    They cant just be added straight into another division and if these guys cant make a 20s division 3 team then.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    This side will have had players playing 20s division 3 which isn't a high standard and there is also plenty of older newer players playing from when ive seen them play. They will move up into other teams if/when required.
    They probably shouldn't as a whole be playing division 11 but ive also seen plenty of them play 20s and higher teams on occasions.
    What other rugby should these guys play then?
    They cant just be added straight into another division and if these guys cant make a 20s division 3 team then.....

    Am I being naive in saying they should be playing in a league where they're not clearly miles ahead? Div7 surely?

    Like they're not there for winning, they clearly just want game time. So go play in a league that'll offer them a competitive fixture if they don't fancy playing to win.

    I still don't think they should be in any division if they don't want to compete properly.

    Aren't teams supposed to be graded consistently? Would they be reviewed at the end of the season for example? Also how many games can a team concede before being asked to withdraw from the league?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    .ak wrote: »
    Am I being naive in saying they should be playing in a league where they're not clearly miles ahead? Div7 surely?

    Like they're not there for winning, they clearly just want game time. So go play in a league that'll offer them a competitive fixture if they don't fancy playing to win.

    I still don't think they should be in any division if they don't want to compete properly.

    Aren't teams supposed to be graded consistently? Would they be reviewed at the end of the season for example? Also how many games can a team concede before being asked to withdraw from the league?
    This team afaik was only added into the league late enough when the club realised they had enough excess under 20s from the squad playing lower division 20s rugby combined with excess players from their 3rd/4ths to allow this team play,
    They wont be pushed into a very high division automatically especially when that would have meant being pushed into a division several divisions ahead of social teams the club already runs.
    I imagine it would be reviewed at the end of the season.
    In most leagues the rules about concession will be 2 strikes and you are out but when you have leagues like division 11 and it is beginners/social rugby those rules will kind of go out the window.


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