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15-07-2016 02:32PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

This guy wants us to think about the feelings of people who rape kids to death and burn apostates alive on camera. Look at this guy everyone.

Yeah. I want us to better understand how their mind ticks, what they're thinking and feeling when they commit to this ideology.

The Israelis have managed to reduce suicide attacks to almost nothing despite being surrounded by Islamicists. Unfortunately, its time to start following their example on how its done.

2016 Jerusalem bus bombing

Almost 1 in 10 residents of Oslo are Muslims. They've never had a suicide attack, nor are they likely to. It would be interesting to discover why Norwegian muslims don't behave like those from France or Belgium, don't you think?

testaccount123 · 15-07-2016 02:32PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

For common law crimes.

Hardly surprising given the French prison population is 70% Muslim.

France has a problem with Muslims.

BoatMad · 15-07-2016 02:33PM

Its dead Jim wrote: »

Freedoms of citizens, unless you're the wrong religion. Yeah, that sounds great, let us destroy western values ourselves to save other groups the trouble.

The alternative is to watch your citernry get butchered.

Ethical debates about right and wrong are irrelevant

As for " western values " that ca be used to mean anything

Bobthefireman · 15-07-2016 02:34PM

Here's a link to that documentary if anyone is interested.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/my-son-the-jihadi/on-demand/60654-001

testaccount123 · 15-07-2016 02:34PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Almost 1 in 10 residents of Oslo are Muslims. They've never had a suicide attack, nor are they likely to. It would be interesting to discover why Norwegian muslims don't behave like those from France or Belgium, don't you think?

Its only a matter of time IMO.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2016 02:34PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

Hardly surprising given the French prison population is 70% Muslim.

France has a problem with Muslims.

I would say 99% of the Irish prison population is Catholic, does that mean Ireland has a problems with catholics or does ireland have a problem with criminals?

15-07-2016 02:35PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

Hardly surprising given the French prison population is 70% Muslim.

edit: sorry, I thought this referred to population generally.

beach_walker · 15-07-2016 02:35PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

Hardly surprising given the French prison population is 70% Muslim.

And it's almost a cliche at this point for an attacker in these situations to be involved in criminal activity before seeing the light and becoming devout.

BoatMad · 15-07-2016 02:35PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yeah. I want us to better understand how their mind ticks, what they're thinking and feeling when they commit to this ideology.

2016 Jerusalem bus bombing

Almost 1 in 10 residents of Oslo are Muslims. They've never had a suicide attack, nor are they likely to. It would be interesting to discover why Norwegian muslims don't behave like those from France or Belgium, don't you think?

Partly because Norway had no colonial involvement in Muslim territories over the years.

The Ayatolla · 15-07-2016 02:35PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I would say 99% of the Irish prison population is Catholic, does that mean Ireland has a problems with catholics or does ireland have a problem with criminals?

How many of them have been to mass recently?

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2016 02:37PM

The Ayatolla wrote: »

How many of them have been to mass recently?

That's a survey you will need to conduct for yourself.

HensVassal · 15-07-2016 02:38PM

Anyone remember "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" ?

That was the low-IQ mantra of Bush and various other western War on Terror proponents back in the post 9/11 day.

One would think then that with reports that ISIS is losing ground in Syria and Iraq and that the Caliphate is shrinking, the terror threat is abating and we can all get on with our lives, right?

Well according to (IHS analyst) Columb Strack in a CNN interview:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/11/middleeast/isis-territory-analysis-lister/

IHS senior analyst Columb Strack says that "as the Islamic State's caliphate shrinks and it becomes increasingly clear that its governance project is failing, the group is re-prioritizing insurgency."
He told CNN: "As a result, we unfortunately expect an increase in mass casualty attacks and sabotage of economic infrastructure, across Iraq and Syria, and further afield, including Europe."

So, have I got this correct? We fought them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them here but now that we're winning over there, they're coming here. Yes?

OK, got it. What knucklehead writes this script?

Anyway, to address a lot of posters who are talking about how nuts these ISIS guys are and the need for secularism, etc. I would point out that Saddam Hussein was a secular leader who kept these tribes from each others throats with an iron fist. Likewise Ghaddafi who kept fundamentalists in check or in jail while holding back masses of migrants passing through Libya to get to Europe. Assad is a secular president who has consistently cracked down on fundamentalism.

Bush and Blair and Obama and and Sarkozy and Aznar and the rest of their obsequious asshole cohorts were warned that they would blow open the gates of Hell if they invaded Iraq, Libya, Syria or toppled their leaders. Didn't stop them unleashing havoc so long as they could line their pockets and the rest of us be damned. They don't have to worry about car bombs or gun attacks or trucks being used as haymakers on humans, from the comfort of their well-guarded country estates.

Nift · 15-07-2016 02:40PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Your post totally lacks the understanding of prayer and the effects of it.
A study of 80,000 people in the US over a 15 year period found that people who attended church on a weekly or a more than weekly timeframe had far better mental health, indeed among Catholics the suicide rate was zero, which was found to be the best for mental health.

It is clear the people carrying out these attacks lack a healthy mental health to carry out such attacks.

So why impose your views of religion on people? It is no better than radical islamics who impose their death culture on people.
Religion is like everything else in this world it has good and bad points. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not a solution. Demonising people who pray is to show a total lack of understanding how prayer works. It was found that it is the faith, the belief that helped people cope better than non believers when in a stressful situation, as in the study it was found found Christians praying together as a group on weekly or more than a weekly basis reduced significantly the risk of severe mental health problems.
There is a reason why churches and the like do end up with more people in them at times like this, it is not for everyone but it does actually help a lot of people.
There is a lot of ignorance towards religion but latest science info showed it has positive effects, people who only want to see negative effects are choosing to be blind.

www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-church-attendance-suicide-20160629-snap-story.html

So you admit its a placebo. As an atheist i abhor religion of all kinds. Using prayer is all well and good...but you do know you are praying to a sky fairy, a thing that doesn't exist. As the guy said its religion not just Islam that is at fault. Is religion a necessary evil for hope? maybe but not morality. i know i have far more hope knowing God doesn't exist. Why would i pray to it...some of it is just to help people feel better about themselves...others genuinely believe there is a God who choses sides and has selectivity towards certain people. Utter nonsense. Religion is a cancer and more dangerously a social construct for control. Look at the Saudi kings who use whores and coke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

testaccount123 · 15-07-2016 02:40PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I would say 99% of the Irish prison population is Catholic, does that mean Ireland has a problems with catholics or does ireland have a problem with criminals?

Constant, never ending nonsensical comparisons to christianity. Christians are also scummy but they didnt murder 80 people in cold blood yesterday.

If 10% of the population of the country was catholic and 70% of the prison population was catholic that would be alarming and evidence of a serious problem.

BoatMad · 15-07-2016 02:42PM

Again, the issue is not the merits or otherwise of Islam or its various factions. The issue is that a section of awovadly people of claimed muslim faith are causing carnage amongst a innocent citizenry in France.

The next issue is the steps a society /country must take to prevent such carnage.

Angels on the head of a pin argument are useless

The fact remains that if ordinary Muslims are supporting or even tolerating fundamentalism within their midst , they can expect to pay a very heavy price for that action ( or lack of action)

Society has s habit of getting less discerning as the death toll rises

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2016 02:43PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

Constant, never ending nonsensical comparisons to christianity. Christians are also scummy but they didnt murder 80 people in cold blood yesterday.

If 10% of the population of the country was catholic and 70% of the prison population was catholic that would be alarming and evidence of a serious problem.

Why do you think the highest number of prisoners in Ireland come from pretty sh/tty areas?

Why do you think the highest number of prisoners in France come from pretty sh/tty areas?

testaccount123 · 15-07-2016 02:44PM

BoatMad wrote: »

Society has s habit of getting less discerning as the death toll rises

An actual reaction seems to be taking an alarmingly long time. The parade of apologists for this murderous ideology every time there is an attack is infuriating.

testaccount123 · 15-07-2016 02:45PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why do you think the highest number of prisoners in Ireland come from pretty shirty areas?

Why do you think the highest number of prisoners in France come from pretty shirty areas?

We've moved on from comparing everything to catholicism have we?

15-07-2016 02:45PM

BoatMad wrote: »

Partly because Norway had no colonial involvement in Muslim territories over the years.

Right, but that's not usually the motivation of suicide bombers.

They don't seem to be seeking revenge for historical colonialism.

If Oslo has the same amount of Muslims, proportionately speaking, why are France bearing the brunt of the extremism, and Norway getting none of it?

Why to Norwegian muslims appear to behave differently? The last time I visited downtown Oslo I felt like I was in Belleville, a heavily Islamic borough of Paris.

Perhaps it's as simple as the French and the Belgians asking themselves, 'what are the likes of the Norwegians and the Irish doing right, that they never experience suicide bombings or extremist aggression?'.

One thing is clear, the distribution of extremism around Europe is not random or proportionate. It is disproportionately concentrated in specific regions.

keith16 · 15-07-2016 02:46PM

BoatMad wrote: »

It's a rather similar argument to ending the Pacific campaign of Japan. The west will be forced to react one way or the other , domestic opinion will see to that

Neither of those bombs were required to end Japan's campaign. The only purposed they served was a peacock style demonstration of US capabilities in the face of it's new Cold War enemy.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-07-2016 02:46PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

We've moved on from comparing everything to catholicism have we?

Nope

I'm saying religion has nothing to do with prison population.

Shurimgreat · 15-07-2016 02:48PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I agree totally, and yet innocent people do get killed by these "precision" bombs and when isis post their vids online they don't say it was a precision bomb they say a western air strike.

Innocent people got killed during allied bombing of Europe in WW2 particularly France.

Generally the bad guys hide among the general population and surround themselves with civilians and indeed their own family, hoping it will save them, while they continue to plan atrocities against others.

If you are intent on wiping out someone else's family you can hardly cry foul when the Americans wipe out yours. War can be a dirty business so the best option is not to wage it in the first place, particularly not against a super power who can and will eliminate you eventually.

Thankfully the Americans are degrading ISIS. There may well be some dead-enders and lonewolfs though.

inforfun · 15-07-2016 02:48PM

Bobthefireman wrote: »

If they use their passport to enter Syria, they should not be allowed to return.

Sounds good in theory
In reality though they just come back with Angela Merkel Cruises Gmbh.

testaccount123 · 15-07-2016 02:48PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Right, but that's not usually the motivation of suicide bombers.

They don't seem to be seeking revenge for historical colonialism.

If Oslo has the same amount of Muslims, proportionately speaking, why are France bearing the brunt of the extremism, and Norway getting none of it?

Why to Norwegian muslims appear to behave differently? The last time I visited downtown Oslo I felt like I was in Belleville, a heavily Islamic borough of Paris.

Perhaps it's as simple as the French and the Belgians asking themselves, 'what are the likes of the Norwegians and the Irish doing right, that they never experience suicide bombings or extremist aggression?'.

One thing is clear, the distribution of extremism around Europe is not random or proportionate. It is disproportionately concentrated in specific regions.

You tell the rest of us why its really France and Belgiums fault that these people were murdered yesterday so. We're dying to hear it.

alchemist33 · 15-07-2016 02:49PM

Gamebred wrote: »

The french police are just awful,horrible intelligence tough job but their failing horribly can you imagine the attacks the u.k police are dealing with behind the scenes everyday,and the germans both massive targets yet police are actually doing their job.

I haven't looked at the last ferw pages to see if this sparked a discussion, but they had a security expert on the BBC this morning who said a number of plots were stopped by the French during the Euros. Why would you assume the British and Germans are stopping plots while the French aren't?

BoatMad · 15-07-2016 02:49PM

keith16 wrote: »

Neither of those bombs were required to end Japan's campaign. The only purposed they served was a peacock style demonstration of US capabilities in the face of it's new Cold War enemy.

It very clearly removed the need for s very costly armed assault on the Japanese homeland

PLL · 15-07-2016 02:50PM

Just came on to say that the photographs and videos shared by the Media are despicable. Absolutely no need for it. It was a tragedy of the highest order not fücking click/read bait.

endacl · 15-07-2016 02:51PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

You tell the rest of us why its really France and Belgiums fault that these people were murdered yesterday so. We're dying to hear it.

Fault me hoop. The only 'fault' lies with the prick behind the wheel. I hope he died roaring.

lawlolawl · 15-07-2016 02:51PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why do you think the highest number of prisoners in Ireland come from pretty sh/tty areas?

Why do you think the highest number of prisoners in France come from pretty sh/tty areas?

Why do you think their areas are ****ty?

Perhaps it's because of the people living there?

BoatMad · 15-07-2016 02:52PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Right, but that's not usually the motivation of suicide bombers.

They don't seem to be seeking revenge for historical colonialism.

If Oslo has the same amount of Muslims, proportionately speaking, why are France bearing the brunt of the extremism, and Norway getting none of it?

Why to Norwegian muslims appear to behave differently? The last time I visited downtown Oslo I felt like I was in Belleville, a heavily Islamic borough of Paris.

Perhaps it's as simple as the French and the Belgians asking themselves, 'what are the likes of the Norwegians and the Irish doing right, that they never experience suicide bombings or extremist aggression?'.

One thing is clear, the distribution of extremism around Europe is not random or proportionate. It is disproportionately concentrated in specific regions.

France has been active recently and historically in many traditional Islamic parts of the world. It has many enemies with long memories. Hence it has long been perceived as an enemy of Islam.

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