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tomofson

Bobthefireman wrote: »

The problem is that they are still managing to garner sympathy from young men and women. You have to ask how?

Who are you referring to by "they"?

Timberrrrrrrr

jacksie66 wrote: »

Lads a lot of you need to calm your tits...

Excuse me!

I have pecs.

Bobthefireman

tomofson wrote: »

Who are you referring to by "they"?

ISIS

tomofson

Bobthefireman wrote: »

ISIS

Don't know if ISIS exist or not but probably because of the level of hate being throwing at the muslim community across europe in recent times...

Bobthefireman

tomofson wrote: »

Don't know if ISIS exist or not but probably because of the level of hate being throwing at the muslim community across europe in recent times...

You think ISIS are a figment of our collective imaginations?

tomofson

Bobthefireman wrote: »

You think ISIS are a figment of our collective imaginations?

A deliberately placed boogeyman is very possible.

beach_walker

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If his Muslim father had never met his mother then he would never have lived and therefore the Apple brand wouldn't have been invented

Ermm, sure. So it's all the Muslims then. Good stuff.


This thread is farcical.

Samaris

tomofson wrote: »

Don't know if ISIS exist or not but probably because of the level of hate being throwing at the muslim community across europe in recent times...

I have no idea where -that- idea is going, but I'm afraid to find out.

I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that ISIL exists, whether you want to call it ISIS, ISIL, Daesh or Those Bastards.

tomofson

Samaris wrote: »

I have no idea where -that- idea is going, but I'm afraid to find out.

I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that ISIL exists, whether you want to call it ISIS, ISIL, Daesh or Those Bastards.

The evidence provided to you by whom??? By the satanic child killing elitists who want to play us all against each other?

Autonomous Cowherd

RustyNut wrote: »

What a sad day. My heart breaks for anyone that was there last night. RIP to those that were killed. The poor survivors will be traumatised by what they have seen and heard, the responders,Police, Fire and Ambulance personnel. How long will it be before any of these people can close their eyes and get a restful nights sleep. So many lives cut short or ruined by one fellow human being.

What makes me saddest is the world that my kids and their kids have to face into. All sides seem to be making the same excuses to kill and terrorise people. How dare "they" come over here and use violence to impose "their" values on us.

It appears to be a never ending cycle of horror, the russians bomb a refugee camp,the yanks bomb a wedding, the israelis bomb a school,al-qaeda bomb a skyscraper, isis bomb a market, all because my ideology is better than yours. The one thing they all have in common is that it's the ordinary innocent people who pay the ultimate price.

Some of the views expressed on here are truly vile, "Hitler was right. This race need to be exterminated", "deport all muslims" etc.

The one thing I am absolutely sure about is that more killing and terror is not going to reduce killing and terror.

Just my 2 cents..

This.

Honestly some days I just don't feel like getting dressed. I know people are killed in places all over every day, but then there comes a cumulative effect, and the will just goes out of me. Another day. another atrocity. It is heart-breaking to think of all those people just mowed down. The children waiting in hospital for parents who will not return, the parents looking for children. I have no idea how we are going to solve this asymmetrical war that has broken out slowly under our noses. I fear for my children and their children to come. What a world.

Timberrrrrrrr

beach_walker wrote: »

Ermm, sure. So it's all the Muslims then. Good stuff.


This thread is farcical.

Nope, just pointing out the silly idea that has been bumped around this thread from page one that all Muslim immigrants should be deported simply for being Muslim.

Bobthefireman

I think that only one-way tickets should be issued to Syria. If you go there, you ain't coming back.

Its dead Jim

Bobthefireman wrote: »

The problem is that they are still managing to garner sympathy from young men and women. You have to ask how?

Probably like most people, accuse anything you don't like as being faked or propaganda. Anything they do like as being the truth. See it all the time with various websites covering what the mainstream media is censoring (according to them)

How one gets to that point though would be interesting to find out. The people behind it have something to gain like power and money. They then just need to convince people that it is in their best interest to join up.

Billy86

It's a horrible tragedy really, and does give an idea how ISIS operate - they didn't go after the Euros because they would have deemed it too high risk I am assuming, and also because a lot of people would have expected it. I'm assuming since the tournament and it's final went off without significant issue, that the nation had let it's collective guard down somewhat. As usual, one of ISIS main weapons are those of paranoia and fear.

RIP to the dead and best wishes to their families; it really is an awful world we live in at times.

timmyntc

timmyntc wrote: »

And what do we do when we find out they're mentally unstable and are attracted by the false promises of 72 virgins and a glorious martyrdom? What then?

If these guys are merely mentally unstable, that's relatively easy to fix.

But I suspect it's far more complex than mental illness. If it is, we need to understand that. I have a lot of faith in the ability of the ordinary person to take five, and sit for a few minutes and try and put themselves in the shoes of an Islamic fighter.

When I do that, I imagine myself as feeling really alienated, excluded and not belonging to the people I want to destroy. How do you imagine they feel?

Or do you think they're just evil people who get together and laugh maniacally at our demise, and that's that?

Timberrrrrrrr

Bobthefireman wrote: »

I think that only one-way tickets should be issued to Syria. If you go there, you ain't coming back.

Do you think they fly 8n and out on Syrian airlines? Stopping off in the duty free for 200 smokes and perfume for the wives?

Bobthefireman

Its dead Jim wrote: »

Probably like most people, accuse anything you don't like as being faked or propaganda. Anything they do like as being the truth. See it all the time with various websites covering what the mainstream media is censoring (according to them)

How one gets to that point though would be interesting to find out. The people behind it have something to gain like power and money. They then just need to convince people that it is in their best interest to join up.

I watched a bbc programme a year or two ago about a guy who works at de-radicalising young people. Can't remember how it fared out, think the guy got married in Syria to a young girl. He looked at a sort of triad of events that culminate in them becoming radicalised. The one that I recall is a tragic/painful event happening in their lives. In the case on the documentary, his parents had separated. All three things have to happen for them to radicalise. Wish I could remember what it was called!

BorneTobyWilde

Problem is on streets of Europe, not only in Syria. So response is to drop bombs on Syria and provoke the ISIS followers in Europe to respond .?
When are they going to say enough is enough. This guy was know to police, they always are. They are more than tolerated, they are cared for by the state and the people they attack.

Bobthefireman

Bobthefireman wrote: »

I watched a bbc programme a year or two ago about a guy who works at de-radicalising young people. Can't remember how it fared out, think the guy got married in Syria to a young girl. He looked at a sort of triad of events that culminate in them becoming radicalised. The one that I recall is a tragic/painful event happening in their lives. In the case on the documentary, his parents had separated. All three things have to happen for them to radicalise. Wish I could remember what it was called!

Here's a link to an article about the programme.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/lydia-suffield/my-son-the-jihadi_b_8363984.html

It's very much worth watching if you can find it.

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

A myth. Ancient Greece was far ahead of them. Rome, Carthage. Intellectual philosophers and scientists.

That's a load of bollox. Rome had very few philosophers of note. Those that did exist were neo platonists. For years people weren't sure if roman philosophy was actually roman or just roman translation of greek texts.

Ancient Greece wasn't ahead of them either. The greeks had a crappy number system. The arabs took the greek maths, combined it with Indian numbers and came up with the numbers we use today. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 <-- See them, they're arabic numbers. You'll notice that a lot are the same.

Philosophy was built on by the arabs. Western philosophy was rescued by the arabs after the sack of Constantinople (by christian crusaders and the destruction of the library of Alexandria (first by the Romans but it was later finished off by christians who destroyed it during the time of Hypatia)

All of this is of course pointless. It's a very long time ago. However if you're actively telling lies to try and win some kind of cultural argument, don't. Some of us value the truth.

testaccount123

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If these guys are merely mentally unstable, that's relatively easy to fix.

But I suspect it's far more complex than mental illness. If it is, we need to understand that. I have a lot of faith in the ability of the ordinary person to take five, and sit for a few minutes and try and put themselves in the shoes of an Islamic fighter.

When I do that, I imagine myself as feeling really alienated, excluded and not belonging to the people I want to destroy. How do you imagine they feel?

This guy wants us to think about the feelings of people who rape kids to death and burn apostates alive on camera. Look at this guy everyone.

The Israelis have managed to reduce suicide attacks to almost nothing despite being surrounded by Islamicists. Unfortunately, its time to start following their example on how its done.

tomofson

Grayson wrote: »

That's a load of bollox. Rome had very few philosophers of note. Those that did exist were neo platonists. For years people weren't sure if roman philosophy was actually roman or just roman translation of greek texts.

Ancient Greece wasn't ahead of them either. The greeks had a crappy number system. The arabs took the greek maths, combined it with Indian numbers and came up with the numbers we use today. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 <-- See them, they're arabic numbers. You'll notice that a lot are the same.

Philosophy was built on by the arabs. Western philosophy was rescued by the arabs after the sack of Constantinople (by christian crusaders and the destruction of the library of Alexandria (first by the Romans but it was later finished off by christians who destroyed it during the time of Hypatia)

All of this is of course pointless. It's a very long time ago. However if you're actively telling lies to try and win some kind of cultural argument, don't. Some of us value the truth.

He will never accept those facts pal you're wasting your time

Grayson

Bobthefireman wrote: »

I think that only one-way tickets should be issued to Syria. If you go there, you ain't coming back.

You think BA still fly to syria? Or anybody for that matter?

jacksie66

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Bobthefireman

If they use their passport to enter Syria, they should not be allowed to return.

Samaris

tomofson wrote: »

A deliberately placed boogeyman is very possible.

tomofson wrote: »

The evidence provided to you by whom??? By the satanic child killing elitists who want to play us all against each other?

Mod: If you want to get into conspiracies, there's the conspiracy theory forum.

Any more of that will see you thread-banned.

Timberrrrrrrr

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Problem is on streets of Europe, not only in Syria. So response is to drop bombs on Syria and provoke the ISIS followers in Europe to respond .?
When are they going to say enough is enough. This guy was know to police, they always are. They are more than tolerated, they are cared for by the state and the people they attack.

For common law crimes.

Timberrrrrrrr

Bobthefireman wrote: »

If they use their passport to enter Syria, they should not be allowed to return.

LOL :pac:

Autonomous Cowherd

jacksie66 wrote: »

Well we're actually living in the most peaceful era in human existence. It just seems so crap now because of instant access to news and the rolling media coverage driving the scaremongering...

yes, so it is said statistically. You are right. We have a long long history as a species of much more violent times. I will try keep it in perspective. Just a lapse today into angst. My daughter flies to France next week, think that is what makes it more worrisome. But you are right, there is a lot more peace now than at other times.

FalconGirl

jacksie66 wrote: »

Well we're actually living in the most peaceful era in human existence. It just seems so crap now because of instant access to news and the rolling media coverage driving the scaremongering...

And with that comes the rise of lunatics to power that will cause more trouble. The world is not as safe as it was 20 years ago. There has been a major escalation of conflict with huge knock on effects such as the migrant crisis since 9/11. We seem to be heading for big trouble in my opinion.