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The Third Test Thread.

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    #422
    daveup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭daveup


    tiernan was a relevation. he did his stuff without effort. he proved why he is so good. very happy for him and sad that when he left the backline fell apart. he is so feckin organized. he has always been the best controller of a backline.


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    #423
    Stheno
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Sh!t

    Apparently he's in a lot of pain according to Joe


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    #424
    Adbrowne
    Site Banned Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Adbrowne


    daveup wrote: »
    tiernan was a relevation. he did his stuff without effort. he proved why he is so good. very happy for him and sad that when he left the backline fell apart. he is so feckin organized. he has always been the best controller of a backline.

    what?


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    #425
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Glen Jackson had a bit of a shocker today, but ultimately Ireland threw away that series. Luke Marshall made an excellent break and all that was needed was a simple pass away to the wing and we've a great shot at a try. Instead he throws an awful forward pass.

    Paddy Jackson throws an intercept metres away from their line, ignoring the easier pass and going for the slam dunk one. Skills let us down at the worst possible moment and that's what's so gutting about this series. We should have won the thing comfortably in the end but we didn't.

    There's lots of positives to take from it but right now I'm a bit despondent. We saw a lot of forward play, but it was done at speed so we could get over the gainline. We varied the point of attack so the South African defence didn't have time to set. We saw subtlety in midfield and Marshall excelling at 12 and 13, along with Henshaw moving to 13 and playing well. Payne adds so much to our attack and will be key going forward.


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    #426
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Adbrowne wrote: »
    what?

    I think it might be Billy.


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    #427
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Delighted? There were positives for sure, but losing a test series we should have won against a poor South Africa team is a negative that outweighs them all. You play to win the game.

    I see end of season tours as an opportunity to develop players. I never really expected us to win a series down there, at the end of a long, long season and with so many 1st choice missing. I'm glad they were missing, as we got to see how other players can perform given the chance.
    Winning a test was a bonus and yes we could and maybe should have one another,but it's not the end of the world.
    Lots of positives.


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    #428
    matthew8
    Registered Users Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Clegg wrote: »
    Glen Jackson had a bit of a shocker today, but ultimately Ireland threw away that series. Luke Marshall made a indeed ul break and all that was needed was a simple pass away to the wing and we've a great shot at a try. Paddy Jackson throws an intercept metres away from their line, ignoring the easier pass and going for the slam dunk one. Skills let us down at the worst possible moment and that's what's so gutting about this series. We should have won the thing comfortably in the end but we didn't.

    There's lots of positives to take from it but right now I'm a bit despondent.

    I think that's harsh, no one could have foreseen Faf De Klerk getting high enough to take that one.


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    #429
    Stheno
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    daveup wrote: »
    tiernan was a relevation. he did his stuff without effort. he proved why he is so good. very happy for him and sad that when he left the backline fell apart. he is so feckin organized. he has always been the best controller of a backline.

    Why do you constantly close accounts and Re-reg? It's pointless when we all know it's you.

    Our back line missed Payne and henshaw today not a rookie who had never started before

    Stop talking nonsense


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    #430
    daveup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭daveup


    Adbrowne wrote: »
    what?
    explain why all our backline double competed for kicks after he left. Tiernan takes no ****e. It is his ball.


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    #431
    Sean Kinsella
    Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭Sean Kinsella


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    If I was being stingy I could say the same about Ireland - that is not one of the great Boks sides. But I won't.

    Instead, I'm just going to give my last work to .ak, who said Ireland would miss Payne. And he was right. And to that I'd add Henshaw. Thought Olding was pretty poor, and the first test pairing of Henshaw/Marshall looked a keeper.

    Commiserations, that was definitely a series that slipped away with the finish line in sight. Better luck to the U20s.

    Olding brings strong running in fairness, but that may not be enough, in itself.


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    #432
    corny
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    As tough a loss as any to take. Simple errors obviously let us down but I was disappointed with us carrying the ball. Too many players see it as a way of setting up the next ruck. No one, bar Stander maybe, carried like physically dominating the opposition was important. They were rather passive in defence too which makes it worse.


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    #433
    kuang1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Stheno wrote: »
    Why do you constantly close accounts and Re-reg? It's pointless when we all know it's you.

    Our back line missed Payne and henshaw today not a rookie who had never started before

    Stop talking nonsense

    Brilliant post.

    Either he goes dark (v unlikely) or continues to post and just further proves what some of us already know.


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    #434
    BoardsMember
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    Thought Joe was very slow to bring on replacements. I think we could have won that if Cronin, Ruddock and Dillane had been brought on at 55/60. We were being dominated up front at that stage and needed some serious power. I doubt we will see a better chance of winning a series in SA n my lifetime.


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    #435
    BoardsMember
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    None of the teams involved were robbed as badly, or as brazenly, as France by Joubert in RWC final 2011. That will never be outdone.

    100%, was unbelievable and hard to imagine it will ever be repeated.

    Have to say that the perspective of the ref today was puzzling, he looked to be looking for reasons to penalise us, particularly at scrum and breakdown, whereas with them, he seemed to be looking to be lenient or give them the benefit of the doubt. Very hard to watch that type of refereeing performance.


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    #436
    awec
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    My sole criticism of Schmidt this tour is it took him way too long to make subs. Other than that I am happy out.


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    #437
    CatFromHue
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    Anyone know why Luke Marshall went off?


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    #438
    kuang1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭kuang1


    awec wrote: »
    My sole criticism of Schmidt this tour is it took him way too long to make subs. Other than that I am happy out.

    100% on this.
    Particularly the 2nd and 3rd test, found myself screaming at the tv at 55/60 mins for the bench to be produced.
    Thought Dillane was brought on way too late today. (And I'm Henderson's biggest fan ever!)

    I assumed we'd see the bench earlier today. Turns out Furlong came on for Ross at 51 minutes (i think), but 2nd row, back row, the backline changes were too late imo.

    But I'm also now assuming that there were valid reasons known only to the coaching staff why other changes didn't happen earlier?


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    #439
    daveup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭daveup


    happy to see the final days of earls and trimble


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    #440
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Thought Joe was very slow to bring on replacements. I think we could have won that if Cronin, Ruddock and Dillane had been brought on at 55/60. We were being dominated up front at that stage and needed some serious power. I doubt we will see a better chance of winning a series in SA n my lifetime.

    That would be my big criticism.

    The worrying thing is that it took injuries to R Kearney and Sexton for changes to be made.
    Would Payne or Jackson have been tried if it wasn't for injuries?

    He has to give players more opportunities. Too many players are being ignored. How he has ignored Muldowney and Buckley especially is hard to figure.

    Olding is a fantastic talent but like Madigan you wonder if the talent is going to be fulfilled. Today Olding was poor except for a small cameo at the end. Going forward Marshall (who had a great tour) and Henshaw look to be the midfield pair with Payne at 15. I would like to see Olding tried at 15 but he may not get the gametime at Ulster.

    Henderson was superb in his best position but why was Dillane rested so much? Bealham not given enough gametime. Cronin coming on with less than 10 mins to go.

    We still very reliant on set pieces, penalties and trucking the ball up to win games. More creativity is needed and with Payne at full back it is a start. Jackson had a good tour, just needs more consistency. Sexton wasn't missed.


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    #441
    Synode
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Sexton wasn't missed.

    Don't know about that. It's been great to give Paddy game time but I reckon we'd have won the series with Sexton there


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    #442
    crisco10
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    Jack mcgrath played 240 mins I'm pretty sure. A testiment to the man, but also shows either the lack of trust in the backup or they just aren't good enough.

    Healy seems permanently injured. So who's it gonna be?

    We lost our backfield shape when toh went off, wasn't sure if earls or healy was at 15...seemed to change back and forth. Not sure it helped.

    Agree with other comments, would have liked to see cronin, dilanne and ruddock in a little earlier. We were flagging somewhat.


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    #443
    Sean Kinsella
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    That would be my big criticism.

    The worrying thing is that it took injuries to R Kearney and Sexton for changes to be made.

    Would Payne or Jackson have been tried if it wasn't for injuries?

    He has to give players more opportunities. Too many players are being ignored.

    Jackson had a good tour, just needs more consistency. Sexton wasn't missed.

    There is a certain conservatism in Irish rugby selection and has been IMO for years. I hope Joe doesn't follow suit TBH, we need the new players and I'm not sure Earls and Trimble have much more to give.


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    #444
    mareegoo
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    Adbrowne wrote: »
    TOH is gone to hospital

    He could easily have broken his neck. Le Roux was nowhere near the ball never mind intent.

    Shocking refereeing.

    Its a sad day for rugby - it looked like refs wanted SA to win at all costs........i would like to hear what mr rolland has to say about this


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    #445
    daveup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭daveup


    toh, hospital, bruised ribs. but a shocking contact


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    #446
    RoundBox11
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    Would anyone know if and where there is a way to watch a replay of the game?


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    #447
    crisco10
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    mareegoo wrote: »
    He could easily have broken his neck. Le Roux was nowhere near the ball never mind intent.

    Shocking refereeing.

    Its a sad day for rugby - it looked like refs wanted SA to win at all costs........i would like to hear what mr rolland has to say about this

    But what us the law around the high ball? I don't think u could argue le roux was doing anything other than going for the ball. It wasn't his fault that toh outjumped him. So is it purely based on outcome?


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    #448
    daveup
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    Synode wrote: »
    Don't know about that. It's been great to give Paddy game time but I reckon we'd have won the series with Sexton there

    I don't know. certainly cant say that for certain. it always amused me all the people we miss. in truth we don't miss them and never have


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    #449
    Tigerandahalf
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    crisco10 wrote: »
    But what us the law around the high ball? I don't think u could argue le roux was doing anything other than going for the ball. It wasn't his fault that toh outjumped him. So is it purely based on outcome?

    Unfortunately that seems to be the way it is going. All depends on how injured the player is it seems.
    Nobody wants to see a guy fall on his neck like that. He is a very lucky guy he didn't do serious damage. Players will have to be protected so we may see a rule tweak there.


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    #450
    irishbucsfan
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    daveup wrote: »
    I don't know. certainly cant say that for certain. it always amused me all the people we miss. in truth we don't miss them and never have

    Did we miss Henshaw?


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    #451
    Buer
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    daveup wrote:
    I don't know. certainly cant say that for certain. it always amused me all the people we miss. in truth we don't miss them and never have

    Funny you should mention how some people aren't missed at all.


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