LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

noelf · 19-06-2016 08:05PM

Have you seen this one Duke ..

unkel · 19-06-2016 10:30PM

Looking very well. Personally I'd go for one with a V8 engine though...

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Linky

Plates are invisible and no mention of NCT. Maybe still on UK Plates?

bear1 · 20-06-2016 12:13AM

The colours of the mercs posted are absolutely horrible.

unkel · 20-06-2016 01:18AM

I couldn't agree less. Superb metallic colours. My personal favourite is Silberdistel Metallic (distel green - code 881)

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bear1 · 20-06-2016 10:40AM

Each to their own, just don't do it for me.

mullingar · 20-06-2016 07:41PM

Those w126 colours are all period correct. A modern colour would look so wrong on a classic w126, (that baby blue one is not for me)

bear1 · 20-06-2016 08:06PM

Agreed, I'm just wondering would a nice metallic black look more the business.

Red Kev · 20-06-2016 08:35PM

I've had a fair few W126's. If I go for one again it'll be the Coupe. Either way I prefer the post '85 model with the smooth side panels. Not a fan of the Barock wheels either, prefer AMG mono block or the classic 15 hole ones. Has to be dark...black, blue or anthracite.

Worth an investment for a top one with all options, especially the Coupe.

bear1 · 20-06-2016 08:37PM

That looks class. Much meaner looking.

unkel · 20-06-2016 08:52PM

mullingar wrote: »

Those w126 colours are all period correct. A modern colour would look so wrong on a classic w126, (that baby blue one is not for me)

That's not baby blue

In fairness, it doesn't come out well in the picture, but I'm pretty sure it's petrol (877)

Big Nasty · 20-06-2016 09:34PM

Black over grey is the only way I'd take one of those bad boys.

unkel · 20-06-2016 10:15PM

Black is the one colour I would never want one in! Those 80s metallics do it for me

Red Kev · 20-06-2016 11:14PM

Three to ponder....

As we're on a W126 fetish at the moment, here's a 1983 500 SEL, new NCT, €56 tax, V8, €2250.

I like the velours trim, prefer it to leather, has elec seats as well. Shabby chic for small money.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-500-sel/12472866
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Anybody fancy a gamble on this for €4500, NCT 03/17
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl-500/12420292

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Or a serious gamble on this, short NCT to 09/16, but serious amount of options..rear TV, rear elec seats and so forth. 5 litre petrol as god intended. Looks like an import by the reg ? €2200

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes/12535754

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EDIT: If I'm reading the reg on the W126 correctly then according to the NCT database it's NCT was up in March. Worth a call either way.

unkel · 20-06-2016 11:38PM

Red Kev wrote: »

EDIT: If I'm reading the reg on the W126 correctly then according to the NCT database it's NCT was up in March. Worth a call either way.

The NCT wasn't up in March, it was due in March

The car did not have a valid NCT before then!

Probably too much to ask, a half-decent W126 with a new NCT for 2 grand

bear1 · 20-06-2016 11:41PM

S500 for me, It's the LWB version too.
I almost bought (albeit the 320 V6) a few years ago which had almost the same kit as that 500 and was an LWB.
I couldn't get over the legroom and sheer comfort in it.

noelf · 22-06-2016 03:04PM

1993 Mercedes sec €2995 Dermot Wallace Motors poor web site desperate picture quality ..

beertons · 22-06-2016 03:40PM

Looks lovely.

unkel · 22-06-2016 04:30PM

Oh yeah, blame their website

You could have put in a bit more effort to post that here yourself, noelf

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Linky

Cheap, but will cost you another 7 years of max tax before it's vintage (that's over 12 grand) and surprise, surprise, reg hidden. You can bet money that this car has no test, probably hasn't had test for a long time and it's probably a wreck...

Red Kev · 22-06-2016 09:06PM

Get them while they're cheap. Yes, it's the 6 cylinder, but they're grand tourers, not sports cars. A good bit more affordable to buy and run than the V8. I'd prefer the V8 myself, but they don't fall into this price bracket. (And two nice reg plates to boot).

€4500 02/17. Seems to be well looked after.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-sl280-convertible/12086557

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€4900 02/17

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-sl-sl-280-auto-full-service-history/12194883

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Duke O Smiley · 22-06-2016 09:09PM

That first SL I can tell you is a bargain.

Perfect car for the Summer

Tommyboy40 · 23-06-2016 09:47AM

You'd always regret not having the V8. It's an incredibly heavy car and needs some poke. The difference between the 3.2 and the 5.0 is 1-2 mpg. 280 would be working hard to drag it about. Check under the battery for rust and replace the hydraulic fluid for the roof. Check for leaks from the 12 hydraulic cylinders that lock the top. It does need the staggered wheels to finish it off. The CL500 is an early one with a 4 speed auto and would be even thirstier than the 5 speed. Mine is considerably thirstier than the SL but an amazing car to drive. 10 speaker Bose stereo, double glazed windows, completely quiet inside but biblically thirsty around town. I said in another post that mine were the cleanest in the country
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Red Kev · 23-06-2016 11:24AM

I was going to buy an R129 about 3years ago until family issues got in the way. I calculated the 500 needs 1200-1500 per annum more than the 280 to keep it on the road. That's minimum, probably closer to 1800-2200 in real life.

If I had the disposable income to cover it I'd probably get the 500 but I had a 300SL for a week in Germany a few years ago and found it to be a nice cruiser. That's why I'd be happy to get a V6.

TestersWanted · 23-06-2016 12:01PM

The second of those Mercs, ad says "[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.74902)][font=lato, Helvetica, Arial, "Sans Serif"]Moore & Farrell Motors Fairview Dublin 3 approved used car 1997 Mercedes 280 SL"[/font][/color]

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.74902)][font=lato, Helvetica, Arial, "Sans Serif"]Approved by who? [/font][/color]

unkel · 23-06-2016 12:45PM

Red Kev wrote: »

I calculated the 500 needs 1200-1500 per annum more than the 280 to keep it on the road.

Do you remember roughly what your calculation looked like?

Tax is 300 more, fuel maybe 100 more, insurance should be same and I struggle to think what the rest of the difference would be made up of. Maintenance really would be the same too. Unless you are reserving / saving money for when something expensive needs doing?

At this level of the market, we do not need to reserve for catastrophic and very expensive things like engine or gear box failure. Should that happen we should just accept it and move on to the next car.

Red Kev · 23-06-2016 01:53PM

Tax €420
Insurance €170 (extra premium for a 5.0l over 2.8l as a daily driver)
Fuel € 770 (2 l/100km more over 25,000 km annual. That would be more like €650 now @ €1.33 per litre)
Loan Interest €230 ( 500SL in top condition is about €4-5k more than the undesirable 280/320, On the basis that I like to keep €20K in my savings account, I would have had to borrow ca €4-5000 to cover the extra cost of the 500SL)
Servicing, maintenance, tyres, parts €300.

The above comes to €1890, (or €1750 with cheaper petrol in 2016). On the basis that I'd keep the car for two years, and that the car is costing ca. €5,000 that was too high a percentage of my disposable income to justify a 500.

I suppose I'm a bit anal about saving a certain amount per month/year, but that's down to previous life experience, if my income went up I'd be willing to spend the extra on a 500 or 600.

The car would be fully insured as a daily driver, not a classic as I've no interest in limiting my mileage to a certain amount per year. I suppose I could have gotten the insurance price down a bit if I'd shopped around, but it wouldn't have made a huge difference to the overall running costs.

Fuel consumption and servicing costs based on reviews on German owners sites.

EDIT: i should point out that I was calculating ca. €4-5000 for a 280SL and €9-10,000 for a 500SL. There are cheaper 500's out there, but in my experience you need to spend near to €10K for a good one. Yes, there are exceptions and you'll always find a good one for less, but that's my experience of them.

millington · 23-06-2016 02:14PM

Red Kev wrote: »

Tax €420
Insurance €170 (extra premium for a 5.0l over 2.8l as a daily driver)
Fuel € 770 (2 l/100km more over 25,000 km annual. That would be more like €650 now @ €1.33 per litre)
Loan Interest €230 ( 500SL in top condition is about €4-5k more than the undesirable 280/320, On the basis that I like to keep €20K in my savings account, I would have had to borrow ca €4-5000 to cover the extra cost of the 500SL)
Servicing, maintenance, tyres, parts €300.

The above comes to €1890, (or €1750 with cheaper petrol in 2016). On the basis that I'd keep the car for two years, and that the car is costing ca. €5,000 that was too high a percentage of my disposable income to justify a 500.

I suppose I'm a bit anal about saving a certain amount per month/year, but that's down to previous life experience, if my income went up I'd be willing to spend the extra on a 500 or 600.

The car would be fully insured as a daily driver, not a classic as I've no interest in limiting my mileage to a certain amount per year. I suppose I could have gotten the insurance price down a bit if I'd shopped around, but it wouldn't have made a huge difference to the overall running costs.

Fuel consumption and servicing costs based on reviews on German owners sites.

Well calculated, but the 500 may also appreciate more than the lower models, cancelling out some of the costs

Red Kev · 23-06-2016 02:28PM

unkel wrote: »

At this level of the market, we do not need to reserve for catastrophic and very expensive things like engine or gear box failure. Should that happen we should just accept it and move on to the next car.

I wouldn't be able to walk away from a €5,000 car when it can be fixed for a certain amount, let alone a €10,000 one. Used Merc parts are cheap enough there's plenty of those engines and gearboxes available internationally.

millington wrote: »

Well calculated, but the 500 may also appreciate more than the lower models, cancelling out some of the costs

Very true, but I doubt the price would explode that much over 24 months, as there's still loads of them available. The fact that they wouldn't really depreciate is more important.

unkel · 23-06-2016 02:40PM

Red Kev wrote: »

25,000 km annual

:eek:

I guess you're the only person in Ireland doing that kinda mileage on a V8 petrol (non LPG) classic car

I was thinking more like €300 fully comp insurance (as a first car on either 280 or 500 - they would cost the same) as a classic policy and maybe 4-5k km / year.

Obviously in my case maintenance is only low too. I've come across figures from those magazines before and they are for keeping a new or nearly new car in top condition with all servicing done as scheduled by a full main Mercedes-Benz dealer. Not really comparable with luxobangernomics...

Red Kev · 23-06-2016 03:16PM

unkel wrote: »

:eek:

I guess you're the only person in Ireland doing that kinda mileage on a V8 petrol (non LPG) classic car

I was thinking more like €300 fully comp insurance (as a first car on either 280 or 500 - they would cost the same) as a classic policy and maybe 4-5k km / year.

Obviously in my case maintenance is only low too. I've come across figures from those magazines before and they are for keeping a new or nearly new car in top condition with all servicing done as scheduled by a full main Mercedes-Benz dealer. Not really comparable with luxobangernomics...

There's two choices: have one SL, be it a V6 or V8 and have it as a daily. Or have the SL as a second car with limited mileage. If you're doing that you're spending another couple of grand on tax, insurance, servicing costs, depreciation etc on another car, which kind of negates the whole idea of reducing running costs.

The thing is, if I had an SL and was restricted to 5000km by insurance, it would be a complete PITA to have to leave the car on the drive, and take the Renault Modus because you have to "save" the SL for a different day for the mileage. I personally don't see the point of that, others might do, but I don't. Maybe if it was something like an MGB I'd think differently, but with no kids the SL is a perfectly feasible daily driver.

Incidentally the servicing and consumption figures aren't from a magazine, they're off owner sites like these:
http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/mercedes-sl-b74.html
http://www.db-forum.de/forum/s-klasse-cl-sl-maybach/
http://www.mb-treff.de/forum/main.php
https://www.r129sl-club.de/

I have the advantage of having lived in Germany for a few years in the 90's and being able to speak and read fluent German. The €300 extra might never be spent, you might have 2 years of hassle free ownership, but you could also spend 5 times that on a major problem. Either way, it's something I calculate in running costs.

Tommyboy40 · 23-06-2016 06:28PM

I've had the SL 500 for 10 years and did use it as a daily for a long time without issues. I've replaced the alternator and tyres, nothing else. I avoided using it for short runs where the engine wouldn't warm up properly. They're a fantastically reliable car to own and service parts are cheap from the dealer. I've always serviced my cars every 6k miles. I'm not denying that the straight/V6 is an adequate car but drive the V8 first. I use the SL in the summer and the CL in the winter as the SL is not the best winter car. I do have a couple of other cars for short runs though

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