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Should all religion be banned?

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  • #122
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Tarot. One of my friends runs the Tarot Meetup in Houston. He is a professional social worker.

    Skills like sociology studied to be a trickster, sorry a tarot?


  • #123
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,937 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    Unfortunately it is as impossible to prove there is no god as it is to prove there is a god. I resent the fact that religion plays a big part in the education and legislation in this country, and if that could be entirely separated then I would not care what people want to believe and spend their time doing.

    Live and let live is what I'm generally about, but given that it's nearly impossible to avoid the effects of something I have zero belief in is really annoying. Hopefully the influence will wane over the coming years and there will be a proper separation of religion and state.


  • #124
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    5starpool wrote: »
    Unfortunately it is as impossible to prove there is no god as it is to prove there is a god. I resent the fact that religion plays a big part in the education and legislation in this country, and if that could be entirely separated then I would not care what people want to believe and spend their time doing.

    Live and let live is what I'm generally about, but given that it's nearly impossible to avoid the effects of something I have zero belief in is really annoying. Hopefully the influence will wane over the coming years and there will be a proper separation of religion and state.

    agree on the legislation front but the education one cant happen really, religious orgs pull out of schools where else do you think the money is going to come from?


  • #125
    Two Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Two Tone


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    Yer pal Katherine Zappone is one of the US/Ireland's most imminent Theolgists . They study more than bible reading there in those universities
    Her partner Ann Louise Gilligan used to be a nun.


  • #126
    glued
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    Depp wrote: »
    depends on the hospital, only example i know of off hand is the mater which gets a good chunk of funding from the catholic church

    Do you have any evidence that backs that up? I'm genuinely interested as I was told the opposite before.


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  • #127
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    Orion wrote: »
    No. But religious orders should keep to themselves and keep the hell out of our schools, hospitals and legislation.

    Maybe the schools should keep themselves out of the church....


  • #128
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    glued wrote: »
    Do you have any evidence that backs that up? I'm genuinely interested as I was told the opposite before.

    not sure where to even start looking that up online, was told in passing by a relative who works in admin there

    my personal take on this whole issue is the catholic church as an organisation is flawed as fcuk, no denying it, but while I'm not exactly a devout catholic and I havent the most respect in the organisation, I still have quite a strong faith which has gotten me through some tough times, and no-one can ever take that away from me. Those are my beliefs and I wont force them onto anyone and no-ones going to force theirs onto me.


  • #129
    PucaMama
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    Two Tone wrote: »
    But what relevance do religious orders have to state hospitals? I mean, if someone would like a priest to visit them when they are on their deathbed, fair enough. Or if a hospital has a chapel/chaplain - this would be important to religious people who are ill. But I don't see why there is a need for religious orders to be involved in the actual running of a hospital?

    Because they started the hospital in the first place? Like all the schools they started?


  • #130
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    PucaMama wrote: »
    Because they started the hospital in the first place? Like all the schools they started?

    Who they established for?


  • #131
    jones 19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭jones 19


    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    Maybe ban indoctrinated baby's and children into that nonsense hocus Pocus and then see how believable they find it later on in life. Banning it would strengthen the weirdos and backfire on us. I find religious orders and beliefs outrageous and an insult to our earth and what is REAL etc. For one Catholics hail a God who's Shepards are famous for raping children and then protects the rapist. C, mon! What God allows that misery. Not to mind wars, disease and general misery and Citroen cars......


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  • #132
    Two Tone
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    Because they started the hospital in the first place? Like all the schools they started?
    But what relevance do they have now? I know someone said they fund state hospitals but I am just wondering why they are funding state hospitals? Funding of private hospitals by religious orders though, different matter.

    I am opposed to the intertwining of church and state but I am not against people being religious and religious organisations being private enterprises at all.


  • #133
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    jones 19 wrote: »
    Maybe ban indoctrinated baby's and children into that nonsense hocus Pocus and then see how believable they find it later on in life. Banning it would strengthen the weirdos and backfire on us. I find religious orders and beliefs outrageous and an insult to our earth and what is REAL etc. For one Catholics hail a God who's Shepards are famous for raping children and then protects the rapist. C, mon! What God allows that misery. Not to mind wars, disease and general misery and Citroen cars......

    You cant prove god is not real the same as i cant prove he is, believe what you want to believe but do it privately and dont try force it on others


  • #134
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    Two Tone wrote: »
    Her partner Ann Louise Gilligan used to be a nun.

    And, they all turned out well, so...........

    They may still believe in god. Not everyone is a religious nut that is intolerant of others.


  • #135
    Two Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Two Tone


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    And, they all turned out well, so...........

    They may still believe in god. Not everyone is a religious nut that is intolerant of others.
    Yep, that was my point. :)


  • #136
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    Depp wrote: »
    You cant prove god is not real the same as i cant prove he is, believe what you want to believe but do it privately and dont try force it on others

    Who is forcing it on you, in Ireland? The world does not revolve around you. Whatever religious symbols etc that are still around Ireland today, eg Bells at noon and at 6pm, there is still sufficiently enough people who are happy that they are there

    Ruairi Quinn tried to change the schools, and offered people to sign up. Guess what? There was little demand for it and the government were utterly incapable of providing alternatives . Kids are not forced to stay in class if religious instructions are on. Most of those classes deal with all religions and not the dogmatic Catholic Stuff we learned 20 years or more . Schools now demand tolerance of people from all backgrounds. The politically correct now rules the media and society often to extremes. Blaming no sale of alcohol on religion is a cop out since other Catholic Nations have no issue with it

    The Religious Hierarchy bar some idiots (Bishop of Elphin) were more or less silent during the Children's referendum and the gay marriage debates. The Pope was more interested in not offending or annoying anyone and said little (and rightly so)

    Who are you hanging around with?


  • #137
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    Who is forcing it on you, in Ireland? The world does not revolve around you. Whatever religious symbols etc that are still around Ireland today, eg Bells at noon and at 6pm, there is still sufficiently enough people who are happy that they are there

    Ruairi Quinn tried to change the schools, and offered people to sign up. Guess what? There was little demand for it and the government were utterly incapable of providing alternatives . Kids are not forced to stay in class if religious instructions are on. Most of those classes deal with all religions and not the dogmatic Catholic Stuff we learned 20 years or more . Schools now demand tolerance of people from all backgrounds. The politically correct now rules the media and society often to extremes. Blaming no sale of alcohol on religion is a cop out since other Catholic Nations have no issue with it

    The Religious Hierarchy bar some idiots (Bishop of Elphin) were more or less silent during the Children's referendum and the gay marriage debates. The Pope was more interested in not offending or annoying anyone and said little (and rightly so)

    Who are you hanging around with?

    I'm happy they're still there personally, I was taking umbridge to the poster basically calling out people with a belief as stupid, everyone has the right to believe or not believe in something but you dont have the right to call me stupid because I do


  • #138
    siblers
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    hidinginthebush wrote: »
    Trying to ban all the Jews about 60 years ago went down a treat :rolleyes:

    Let people believe whatever the feic they want IMO. Religion is like a penis, once you're not shoving yours down my throat you can do what you want with it.

    There's trying to ban religion and there is exterminating an entire race of people..not exactly the same thing.


  • #139
    jones 19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭jones 19


    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    Depp wrote: »
    You cant prove god is not real the same as i cant prove he is, believe what you want to believe but do it privately and dont try force it on others

    If people didn't push it on their kids we would have this problem of blind faith. And religion has been pushed on millions of people for thousands of years and only maybe when the church has lost its grip (enforcement of fear) people start to question the nonsense. Religion I think is dying, but far too late for my liking.
    As for proving God doesn't exist, I don't have to. I know he doesn't. You sound like someone who had religion forced upon them . Tough luck Depp. Maybe the next Neverending life.


  • #140
    Noodles81
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    You couldn't ban religion. It permeates everything for good and bad. Since the beginning of mankind we've had to worship something. Every single culture has a variation on it. It's like a psychological need we have. Even atheism, which is concerned with the philosophy of no God. We still are fascinated as people about the meaning of life.
    We all want to believe this life means something. It's the fulcrum upon which people balance their sense of themselves in the world.

    With religious nuttery that balance is way off and needs to be managed and kept in check. But you can't ban what mindscapes people choose to indulge in to make life bearable.

    As most people said keep it to yourself as a private matter is the way to go. Call them what you like: priests, holy men, annointed one, Sky pilots, prophets, wizards, druids, fortune tellers... they're all in tge same business, trying to make a buck out of the mystery/ misery of life.

    But it's so lucrative an enterprise with power bestowed by a power that no one can question. I can see the appeal, a license to print money really. Another reason why it'll never be banned!


  • #141
    Depp
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    jones 19 wrote: »
    If people didn't push it on their kids we would have this problem of blind faith. And religion has been pushed on millions of people for thousands of years and only maybe when the church has lost its grip (enforcement of fear) people start to question the nonsense. Religion I think is dying, but far too late for my liking.
    As for proving God doesn't exist, I don't have to. I know he doesn't. You sound like someone who had religion forced upon them . Tough luck Depp. Maybe the next Neverending life.

    as a matter of fact it wasnt forced on me when I was younger, my father has been a stout agnostic since childhood so I grew up in a fairly non-religeous household and evolved my beliefs on my own, as I've said anyone has the right to believe or not believe in what they want but noone has the right to tell me not to believe in a higher power and quite frankly an outlook without one seems very bleak to me, funny the way the stereotypical 'hypocritical atheist' keeps popping up its head, ranting and raving about how the church was forced on them and trying to force their beliefs(or lack thereof) onto others, guess stereotypes must have something to em after all, huh?


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  • #142
    eviltwin
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    Depp wrote: »
    as a matter of fact it wasnt forced on me when I was younger, my father has been a stout agnostic since childhood so I grew up in a fairly non-religeous household and evolved my beliefs on my own, as I've said anyone has the right to believe or not believe in what they want but noone has the right to tell me not to believe in a higher power and quite frankly an outlook like that seems very bleak to me, funny the way the stereotypical 'hypocritical atheist' keeps popping up its head, ranting and raving about how the church was forced on them and trying to force their beliefs(or lack thereof) onto others, guess stereotypes must have something to em after all, huh?

    Isn't that the way it should be, that people are able to grow up with an open mind to find the right road for them ?


  • #143
    smash
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    Depp wrote: »
    funny the way the stereotypical 'hypocritical atheist' keeps popping up its head, ranting and raving about how the church was forced on them and trying to force their beliefs(or lack thereof) onto others, guess stereotypes must have something to em after all, huh?

    If you grew up in Ireland then the church and it's beliefs WERE forced upon you. Be it through schooling or laws or government policies.


  • #144
    jones 19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭jones 19


    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    Depp wrote: »
    I'm happy they're still there personally, I was taking umbridge to the poster basically calling out people with a belief as stupid, everyone has the right to believe or not believe in something but you dont have the right to call me stupid because I do
    Dear Depp, as Godd as my judge and not you, I never called you stupid ,basically. Maybe it was in your head. Or maybe it was the flying spaghetti monster who said it.


  • #145
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Isn't that the way it should be, that people are able to grow up with an open mind to find the right road for them ?

    that is how it should be, but does that mean religion should be banned outright?


  • #146
    Stealthfins
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    I think they should ban people who want to ban people.


  • #147
    Depp
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    jones 19 wrote: »
    Dear Depp, as Godd as my judge and not you, I never called you stupid ,basically. Maybe it was in your head. Or maybe it was the flying spaghetti monster who said it.

    No, it was you saying how it was 'nonsense hocus pocus' and that religious belief was 'outrageous' and 'an insult to earth', fairly intollerant and dare I say bigoted thing to say no? you can understand how someone could find that insulting no?


  • #148
    Samaris
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    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    It would not be possible to ban religion it would only go to the side streets and back alley's be hidden from view so you would still have lots of religious people only they would not be visible.

    And nuns are alarming enough without their being ninja nuns.


  • #149
    The Sidewards Man
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    Ban day time riding.


  • #150
    jones 19
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    Keep it - I like talking to the sky
    Depp, there it is. You said it, the future is bleak without it! Eureka moment there, the fear of no future is what most religions have in common, the fear of death . And that's what wack the people into line. The fear of dying and no after life. Id love another Crack at life,Maybe as an otter, or a mackerel, but no, it's a lovely thought though.but no ,people believe in religion or higher forces because they **** themselves with the thought of dying and then nothing.
    Excuse any bad Grammer etc.


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  • #151
    smash
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    Depp wrote: »
    No, it was you saying how it was 'nonsense hocus pocus' and that religious belief was 'outrageous' and 'an insult to earth', fairly intollerant and dare I say bigoted thing to say no? you can understand how someone could find that insulting no?

    I know you're not talking to me but I'd like to point out that bigoted can mean "obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, and intolerant towards other people's beliefs and practices." which ironically would be my perception of most religious folk.


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