Americans

bubbles · 20-01-2002 8:36pm #1

I was watching some Police Video show last night on Sky One (I think it was actually called 'Police Video') which was showing the usual extream stuff caught on tape stuff we are all used to now....

Anyways they where showing video camera footage of the guy who started shooting an AK47 at the white house there a few years ago, and its actually very good footage. The camera man was literly a few feet away from the chap.

Anyways, the gunman walks up to the fence, and starts shooting at the white house. People around start running off screaming etc and then the gunman trys to reload the AK47 after he emptys a whole clip. When he does, 2 passerbys jump on the idiot and capture him.

Then it happened, something that left me staring at the TV screen in aw.

A buggy rolls downhill, on its own, shopping bags attached, right past the gunman with with a 1/2 year old kid in it.

What kind of person runs off and takes cover etc leaving thier son/daughter just there to roll towards the gunman? Now, I know if I was in that position, or any other person I know, I would grab the kid and run, and shied the kid from the gunman, trying to protect them! Anyone with a sane mind would try to protect the little kid they where with!

But no, our american person obviously thought only to save himself/herself and to hell with the kid, once they arn't hurt, thats all that matters, right?

Is anyone else sickened by this?

And the Americans make out Bin Laden to be a monster, they should have a look at their own morals before labeling anyone else to be worse than them. Sickning, absolutly sickning.

WhiteWashMan · 20-01-2002 9:16pm

maybe the owner of the child was busy pouncing on the gunman?
by the way, how do you know they were american?
i expect no one else in the world would be like that would they?

Oeneus · 20-01-2002 9:22pm

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
maybe the owner of the child was busy pouncing on the gunman?
by the way, how do you know they were american?
i expect no one else in the world would be like that would they?

So, It's like "Oooh, I must stop the Gunman! Ahah! Got 'im!
Oh sh][t I forgot my Kid!"
Hehee

But yeah! it feckin' discusts me too! But I'd really have to see the tape before I can understand it properly.

bubbles · 20-01-2002 9:28pm

I first thought that it could have been a tourist, being outside the whitehouse etc but with grocery bags on the buggie and the state of the buggie didn't look too "touristy" to me, kinda like a local doing a bit of shopping.

I'm sure it will be repeated on sky again, I'll keep an eye out for it if its soon.

logic1 · 20-01-2002 11:25pm

I actually saw that very same program Bubbles and was astonished by the behavious of the Americans in question. I actually went out drinking later that night with some of my friends whom are American and told them about this very program. To my amazement they weren't surprised by the persons behaviour at all. They said if they were in the same situation they would do exactly the same thing. Now these aren't your typical trailer park yanks these people are highly educated and intelligent and in my opinion provide a good representation of the everyday american.

So I was left with the opinion that Americans would value their own life before that of their own kids. I'm sure there have been studies done which would prove this.

It's no surprise the US of A is in such a state.

.logic.

DadaKopf · 20-01-2002 11:33pm

Eh, I don't like the Americans all the time but the spin you put on this is way over the top. So, are you suggesting that pram absenteeism is something especially American? Come on.

bubbles · 20-01-2002 11:47pm

Pram Absenteeism? Of course that happens everywhere, which it shouldn't. But this was on a hill so someone must have been holding the buggie.

If the same thing happened here in dublin, you can bet the mother, father, whoever of the child would high tale out of there, WITH THE KID.

Theres no excuse for running off and no caring what happened to the kid. Typical white trash americans. I am disgusted by it.

logic1 · 20-01-2002 11:49pm

Couldn't agree more there bubbles. Maybe if they bulldozed all the trailer parks into the ground with the people in em there'd be more room for real people.

.logic.

Victor · 20-01-2002 11:55pm

All this kerfuffle reminds me of the news story a few years ago about a Danish woman who left her baby in its pram outside a shop in New York. She was arrested and didn't really understand why because, in Denmark, it's common to leave your baby outside shops. So, before ranting about how people should never do something remember that not all cultures view things the same.

A Danish couple were arrested and kept in jail for two nights after leaving their child in a pram inside a chained-off area of outdoor tables while they had a drink in a New York café a few feet away.

yankinlk · 21-01-2002 12:25am

ignorant

DadaKopf · 21-01-2002 12:47am

If the same thing happened here in dublin, you can bet the mother, father, whoever of the child would high tale out of there, WITH THE KID.

Theres no excuse for running off and no caring what happened to the kid. Typical white trash americans. I am disgusted by it.

I hope you're not going down some cultural essentialist line. Seems like you have two completely different arguments here.

First of all, you seem to be saying that Irish people wouldn't be capable of irrational behaviour under extraordinary circumstances. It's a fact that people do unusual things under circumstances such as these. I'm not exactly sure how you actually arrived at this conclusion but I think you'll have a hard time trying to prove it. It almost borders on racism.

Your second argument is a moral one and one of prejudice. You're firstly applying your prejudged morals to this act which, depending on your first argument, probably falls flat on its face. Secondly, your prejudice is making you assume that this person was poor - and therefore stupid, or something. I'm not jumping to either conclusion.

Attempting to moralise this incident is pretty rediculous and concluding what you have is even more rediculous and unsubstantiated.

Hobbes · 21-01-2002 8:15am

They weren't worried as they knew Kevin Costner would stop the pram at the last second while taking out the bad guy.

That's his full time job since his acting career tanked.

Actually here's another thing it could of been. Might of been a bag-lady/guy in the vicinity.

bonkey · 21-01-2002 8:28am

It could have been any number of things. It could have been a mother who fainted in shock, or who's grip slipped in shock and who then was too terririfed to run towards the man with the AK.

I think that making a judgement call on the situation based entirely on just having seen the buggy is a bit weak. Using it as a basis for racist judgement is absolutely pathetic.

AS someone rightly pointed out....can anyone show me the parent of the child in question, and show that they were American, adn that the only concern they had was for their own life?

So I was left with the opinion that Americans would value their own life before that of their own kids. I'm sure there have been studies done which would prove this.

Logic1 - do you know of these studies, or are you just so convinved in your righteousness that you believe there should be studies to show this?

jc

WhiteWashMan · 21-01-2002 8:50am

Originally posted by bubbles
I first thought that it could have been a tourist, being outside the whitehouse etc but with grocery bags on the buggie and the state of the buggie didn't look too "touristy" to me, kinda like a local doing a bit of shopping.

I'm sure it will be repeated on sky again, I'll keep an eye out for it if its soon.

ah, so by that theory, if i had a child and it happened over here in england where i live, id automaticlly become english would i?

dont let that secret out. think of all the refugees whod try it....

Puck · 21-01-2002 9:04am

Ok so lets make the assumption that there was indeed a baby in the pram and that the parent (or whoever was holding the pram) was American.

Now how does this say anything about Americans in general?! Whoever let the pram go was a complete arsehole and they don't deserve to be a parent/child minder at all but how does this one person make Americans bad people.

There's nothing to say that this wouldn't happen in any other country.

Pitty they can't be all perfect parents like us Irish eh?! Sher no child was ever beaten, abused, abandoned or even killed in this country because we are all such perfect parents.

amp · 21-01-2002 9:20am

Of course the root cause behind all this is the illumanati's attempt to hide the fact that a bullet from the AK47 actually hit and killed President Bush. The whole pram thing NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED, it was digitally added in afterwards in order to distract attention away from the fact that the president had been killed and has been replaced with a look-a-like with plastic surgery.

When will people see the truth? Probably never.

bonkey · 21-01-2002 9:26am

Originally posted by Puck
Ok so lets make the assumption that there was indeed a baby in the pram and that the parent (or whoever was holding the pram) was American.

Now how does this say anything about Americans in general?!

Exactly.

I notice that bubbles didnt use the fact that twice as many passers by jumped on the gunman and subdued him, when compared to the "pram droppers".

So, if anything, surely it shows that Americans are twice as likely to throw themselves in harms way, rather than desert their kids???

Or, as you assert, it shows SFA, other than offering some wonderful trolling opportunities.

jc

Zero · 21-01-2002 9:31am

Apart from totally agreeing with Bubbles on this one, there are many many things about Americans that can turn your stomach. Someone with the time to read the report up on http://globalresearch.ca/articles/TAL111A.html might get their innocent little eyes opened that Americans are no better than the Nazis when it comes to world supremacy. At least the nazi's were straight up about it, the yanks smile at their enemies while knifing them in the back.
There is a strange justice to the fact that the CIA trained Bin Laden, he blew that american embassy with CIA-provided explosives, and that they built the fukking caves he hid in for the last I dunno how long.
tits, im being called off to a meeting, much as I would love to elaborate on all this.

Remember - U wrong - Bubbles right.

Gerry · 21-01-2002 9:39am

I also have to agree with bubbles, this kind of thing explains a lot about americans. I would suggest to mr bush that he make negligent parents the subject of his next bombing campaign.
"WAR ON NEGLECT"

Puck · 21-01-2002 9:40am

OK complain about the American government if you will and complain about big American companies if you want to but complaining about "Americans" and saying all Americans are bad is just racist.

Be specific not racist.

WhiteWashMan · 21-01-2002 9:41am

yeah, and just look at what those pesky americans get up to as well....

amp · 21-01-2002 9:46am

Originally posted by Puck
OK complain about the American government if you will and complain about big American companies if you want to but complaining about "Americans" and saying all Americans are bad is just racist.

Be specific not racist.

I think I read a report somewhere that said that Americans had smaller than average brains. I think this explains a lot. Especially the possibility that the illumaniti are putting special chemicals in the American water supply in order to keep them stupid and docile.

logic1 · 21-01-2002 3:23pm

Originally posted by amp

I think I read a report somewhere that said that Americans had smaller than average brains. I think this explains a lot. Especially the possibility that the illumaniti are putting special chemicals in the American water supply in order to keep them stupid and docile.

I think I actually heard about that report Amp. But I heard that they no longer have to put chemicals in the water. The general American is so stupid at these stage it's a billion to one chance they'll ever have intelligent offspring.

.logic.

WhiteWashMan · 21-01-2002 3:34pm

Originally posted by logic1

I think I actually heard about that report Amp. But I heard that they no longer have to put chemicals in the water. The general American is so stupid at these stage it's a billion to one chance they'll ever have intelligent offspring.

.logic.

it must be like shooting fish in a barrel eh logic1?

logic1 · 21-01-2002 3:39pm

I wouldn't know. I've never shot fish in a barrell or otherwise.

.logic.

Zero · 21-01-2002 4:00pm

The Sept 11 attacks killed what, 3 to 5 thousand people. Thats obviously terrible and all that, but compared to the amount of people that America has utterly stomped on in the name of OIL and world supremacy, its nothing. The shock on the American's faces, "how could anyone do this to us? we are a lovely people". In fairness, if they werent so easily led by their noses maybe they would wake up and actually understand that they didnt become a world superpower by being NICE to the underdeveloped parts of the world. Idiots, god its so annoying, read that link i posted earlier, which shows exactly why the Yanks stormed into Afghanistan. The innocent americans think Bush is being all patriotic, oh we'll get him, we'll get him. They are gone into afghanistan for the oil. They could have gotten Bin Laden over a year ago in Dubai if they really wanted him.

country of idiots.

atonal · 21-01-2002 4:08pm

Originally posted by amp

I think I read a report somewhere that said that Americans had smaller than average brains. I think this explains a lot. Especially the possibility that the illumaniti are putting special chemicals in the American water supply in order to keep them stupid and docile.

Interesting theory.... It must be the additives in the water that helped my family go from Irish immigrant railroad workers and stone cutters to university professsors and computer scientists.... and the Italian half from Tailors and Shoemakers to aerospace engineers and doctors....
Sure plenty of Americans are dumb (just like everybody else)... Look at our heritage line before you criticize too much we have alot of you in us.

Find one society where people do not engage in absoltely abhorrent stupid behavior... I challenege you....

Some of my Dublin family 'taint to bright either (we visit back and forth I have seen them in action...Uncle Paul is no brain surgeon A right nice guy though)... Some of the Dubliners I know in NY are the smartest people I have ever met.. generalizations are absurd.

You can say Americans are spoiled and fickle with conviction... we prove that daily... Stupid NO!

I am only really here for the music boards so I should have left this well enough alone.... seems to me y'all buy alot of our cultural deritus... who is dumber he who produces the crap or those who lap up their shyte.

WhiteWashMan · 21-01-2002 4:12pm

Originally posted by atonal

I am only really here for the music boards so I should have left this well enough alone.... seems to me y'all buy alot of our cultural deritus... who is dumber he who produces the crap or those who lap up their shyte.

or those who feel the need to vindicate themselves?

atonal · 21-01-2002 5:21pm

ohh now Im shakin in my boots

Anyway I am not vindicating anything.... just pointing out you cannot generalize an entire people.

I love when the Irish get all superior though... Canadians do it too. No culture is immune to idiocy we Americans are not the only fools on the planet we are just the loudest and most poweful fools around which gets us our share of criticism.

Believe me I am no great supporter of American politics or culture... but generalizations really never hold true. Poor Behavior crosses all boundaries.

Zero · 21-01-2002 5:40pm

well if I may generalise for a minute, I put you in the same class as every other american that I ever met, that doesn't know when he is stuck in a deliberate windup

DeVore · 21-01-2002 5:49pm

come into my parlour said the spider to the fly...

you guys are SUCH trolls

DeV.

atonal · 21-01-2002 5:50pm

Oh no we know.... restraint not our best characteristc.

SOMETIMES CAN'T HELP OURSELVES

Da Bounca · 21-01-2002 6:04pm

bubbles 1 - 0 America ?

Victor · 21-01-2002 8:23pm

Originally posted by atonal
Find one society where people do not engage in absoltely abhorrent stupid behavior... I challenege you....

Ah, but the average gurrier in Dublin isn't allowed to have firearms!!

bubbles · 21-01-2002 8:33pm

And despite what Miss. DeVore said, if that indeed is her real name, I did not start this thread as a "wind up". What people posted after me is nothing to do with me. And I would rather their posts deleted (which is the right thing to do) instead of slamming this thread.

I wanted to discuss a serious matter in my opinion, is this not the place to do it?

Same **** happened to my russian bride thread, which btw I have an update which I'll post later.

atonal · 21-01-2002 8:43pm

Originally posted by Victor

Ah, but the average gurrier in Dublin isn't allowed to have firearms!!

Interesting that you should make that point... I was just debating this with someone elswhere... My contention put simply is that idiots with guns=bad as most people are idiots gun controll is necessary.... they dont buy it...libertarians ARGH

Bubbles... I dont think the "Wind Up" Comment was directed at you.... you were trying to make a point... I get it... I disagree that the phenomenon of idiocy is isolated to Americans.... We do make a spectacle of our idiocy for the world though (save you snotty comment whitewash I can see it coming)

Boston · 21-01-2002 9:39pm

They dont love there babies the way we do.

damn i dont know how to do the wwm thing

Victor · 21-01-2002 9:45pm

Originally posted by atonal
Interesting that you should make that point... I was just debating this with someone elswhere... My contention put simply is that idiots with guns=bad as most people are idiots gun controll is necessary.... they dont buy it...libertarians ARGH

Can you phrase this a .... little better .... I had to read it about 3-4 times .... to understand it .... properly. (see what I mean?)

WhiteWashMan · 21-01-2002 11:23pm

Originally posted by atonal

Bubbles... I dont think the "Wind Up" Comment was directed at you.... you were trying to make a point... I get it... I disagree that the phenomenon of idiocy is isolated to Americans.... We do make a spectacle of our idiocy for the world though (save you snotty comment whitewash I can see it coming)

i think you will find that i said above that it was a stupid assumption to say that someone had left their baby was actually american, was it only americans that would do something like that, or that some other option applied.

in fact, i do belive i was saying that to post up saying americans were stupid because one person does something is a pretty stupid thing to say.

however, if you start to point you finger, wave your hands and then shout a lot, make stupid comments and make assumptions that im going to have a go at you, then....

We do make a spectacle of our idiocy for the world though

youve saved me the trouble of saying anything really havent you?

Kopf · 27-01-2002 5:23pm

I wholeheartedly agree with you, bubbles and logic1...

a very good example of the atitude of Americans, one which disgusts me..

Sand · 27-01-2002 9:15pm

What the overpowering of the armed nutbag by unarmed heros? Or a buggy on its own, for unknown reason? BTW this entire thread is based on complete and utter speculation/fantastic imagination - for all you know the woman fainted, slipped and fell in the panicked crowd or so on. However dont let that stop your racist drivel.

Bard · 28-01-2002 4:18am

oh look!... ignorance and unwittingly racist attitudes are alive and well!

and there was me thinking we were in a tolerant and understanding society... but there of course I forgot that it's perfectly fair to badge approx. 270m people with the same insult...

fair play to yiz...

morons.

rymus · 28-01-2002 6:02am

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan

dont let that secret out. think of all the refugees whod try it....

They already have enough ways to stay in ireland legally without adding one more

(yes i know its off topic, but I saw an opportunity for an early morning mini-rant)

Zero · 28-01-2002 11:40am

Originally posted by Sand
What the overpowering of the armed nutbag by unarmed heros? Or a buggy on its own, for unknown reason? BTW this entire thread is based on complete and utter speculation/fantastic imagination - for all you know the woman fainted, slipped and fell in the panicked crowd or so on. However dont let that stop your racist drivel.

Of course we wont. bloody americans, every one of them dropping buggies everywhere.

Saruman · 28-01-2002 2:52pm

not that I condone this behaviour but how many times have you walked by a shop and there is a toddler outside either standing or in a buggy, the parent in the shop probably buying cigarettes.. This is not the US people this is right here in Dublin's fair city!! It is not an American thing its a people thing.. an individual moral problem not something an entire nation of people practice..

consider this.. cause and effect is a great one.. at the moment the gunman is firing and all the buffoons go running to subdue him, a mother walking her kid is trying to find safety.. one of the buffoons slams into her this the kid roles down the street before mother and buffoon go running after it... just because you saw it on TV absolutely does not mean what you say is what happened just like what I have said here could be a load of crap and the truth a very different thing.. but try and take all possibilities into account and not take a natural prejudice of the "Stupid American" syndrome make you see something thats probably not there...

BTW Sand yours is just as good as mine!

Victor · 28-01-2002 6:40pm

Saruman, I only saw part of the montage (I missed the pram bit), but I don't think it worked out that way.

Neil3030 · 28-01-2002 6:44pm

Perhaps we need an Anti - America Forum to vent some of the angst.

Oh btw class signature bounca!!

Sand · 28-01-2002 6:55pm

Ive already suggested a "US is Evil" thread on the politics board. No response yet. Probably because it would be as funny as "Bert is Evil"

.

Winning Hand · 28-01-2002 10:03pm

Few weeks back an english couple left their baby with a cleft lip in the airport of tenerif (I think). What does this say about the english, that they are so vain and self centered that they would leave their physically "deformed" offspring in a different country so that they could avoid the stigmata that would inevitably follow the child? Or is it that there are people in the world over with moral standards lower than a hoors knickers on a saturday night?

What a crock of sh*t.

Victor · 28-01-2002 10:29pm

I think it was Faro in Portugal, but yes the mother in particular felt unable to handle the responsibility of caring for the baby. And I woul condemn the emerging pattern of child neglect and abuse in the UK.

http://scripts.ireland.com/search/highlight.plx?TextRes=portugal&Path=/newspaper/breaking/2002/0116/breaking12.htm

Sand · 28-01-2002 11:07pm

Given the fine generation of up and coming scum bags you can meet any day of the week in Dublin, Im in favour of condemning Irish parents as well.

Americans

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