Mods should act more moddy

The General

couldn't think of any better titles

anyways have a look at this post

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3442809&postcount=4

Boards is a very strict message board compared to other message boards around the net, but mods here seem to be able to say what they want to whoever they want and its getting a bit ridiculous, the only mod i know on here that i respect is Seamus, so should mods not have their own set of rules i.e. no bad language towards any members etc

aidan_walsh

Mods are regular users on boards they don't mod, and should be allowed to do or say as they please as long as it doesn't conflict with the forums charter.

Besides, its amp...

RobertFoster

Pam is a moody ****er (in a good way). Welcome to boards. :rolleyes:

Stark

I have it printed out and posted over my PC.

"Be more moddy".

It's my motto.

seamus

I wrote this post twice already.

I'm trying to say it in as few words as I can, and I'm failing. Badly. Boards.ie is a strictly moderated site, no doubt about it. Surprisingly though, given that there are over two hundred mods, I have yet to see widespread abuse of moderator powers, or consistently unreasonable moderating from but one or two moderators. Far smaller sites with far less members can't say the same.

I don't see why a moderator should act in a certain way outside of their own forum. Would you condemn a Garda for smoking weed in Amsterdam?

Pighead

Not going to start a new thread for this as i realise threads cost money
As has been stated already the Mods on Boards seem to be doing a good job and any Maverick type characters are destroyed and incarcerated before they corrupt the minds of the youngsters.

I do realise that Mods are doing the job with no rewards and in general people are crap and hard to listen.But sometimes it seems the old Mods take notions and lock threads on a whim or throw threads in the bin.Just like this one!(i bet you were wondering were the hell I was going with all this rubbish talk)
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=312070

Personally i think the thread was posted in the relevant section and had the potential to turn into a lively debate.I had some cracking points ready as well and i was devastated when it was dumped.Things like this make Pighead slightly hot and bothered.
Right i'm off thanks for your time,oh and WDK please go easy on me.I didnt diss the Mods too badly.

seamus

Pighead, I'd agree with you if you hadn't already posted 6,387 new threads on random topics in After Hours this evening.

I'd prefer to discuss the topic at hand.

bounty

seamus wrote:

I have yet to see widespread abuse of moderator powers, or consistently unreasonable moderating from but one or two moderators

but but but

i like big butts

AARRRGH

seamus wrote:

Would you condemn a Garda for smoking weed in Amsterdam?

If there were a picture of a couple of Gardai in the paper smoking weed in Amsterdam, I'm pretty sure they'd lose their jobs.

Nevyn

The General

The animated gif in your sig contravenes the rules of Boards.ie,
please remove it.

On your point, mods are people and not scripts.
IF you have an issue with any post from any poster use the report post function
and report it to the mods of that forum.

BuffyBot

"Be more moddy".

It's my motto.

It should be a mission statement!

mike65

We should all be more Moddy



Mike.

Gone West

the general: look. Youve been banned a bunch of times from different forums.
I was half arsed/search was back, I'd look through your posts and point out posts that youve made in contravention of charters/common sense.

Sure, amp gave justified abuse to some guy in the prison forum. *shrugs* who cares?

stevenmu

The General wrote:

couldn't think of any better titles

anyways have a look at this post

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3442809&postcount=4

Boards is a very strict message board compared to other message boards around the net, but mods here seem to be able to say what they want to whoever they want and its getting a bit ridiculous, the only mod i know on here that i respect is Seamus, so should mods not have their own set of rules i.e. no bad language towards any members etc

Moderators have to follow the rules of individual forums, as posted in their respective charters, just the same as everyone else. Moderators can and do get banned for breaking these charters. If you look carefully in the Prison forum, where the post you linked to is, there is no charter. If you look even more carefully, or even look at all, you'll see much 'worse' examples of posts made by non-moderators.

The General

Thaedydal wrote:

The General

The animated gif in your sig contravenes the rules of Boards.ie,
please remove it.

On your point, mods are people and not scripts.
IF you have an issue with any post from any poster use the report post function
and report it to the mods of that forum.

animated gif gone in 2 seconds, and im not complaining about any mods in particular, its just a mod using bad language towards another member for whatever reason should not be allowed

The General

seamus wrote:

I wrote this post twice already.

I'm trying to say it in as few words as I can, and I'm failing. Badly. Boards.ie is a strictly moderated site, no doubt about it. Surprisingly though, given that there are over two hundred mods, I have yet to see widespread abuse of moderator powers, or consistently unreasonable moderating from but one or two moderators. Far smaller sites with far less members can't say the same.

I don't see why a moderator should act in a certain way outside of their own forum. Would you condemn a Garda for smoking weed in Amsterdam?

i suppose in a way your right but still would a guard (off duty but still in uniform) come up to me in the street and say "you are a homophobic ......." i doubt it very much

WhiteWashMan

you know what, i will be the perfect mod, when every user becomes the perfect user.

until then, i will continue to mod as i see fit, i will continue to get annoyed by some people, i will continue to be myself, i will continue to wear my heart on sleeve occassionally, and i will make bad decisions every now and then.

and that goes for every other moderator. every now and then i comment on something if i see a trend, but over all, you know what, i have yet to see a 'bad' mod, or one that needs to be more moddy.

yes i agree with pighead that some posts are locked just because mods dont like them, and i think thats wrong, but thats not the issue here.

as for the dig at the only mod you like is seamus, well good for seamus. the problem is, is that mods deal with users every day, and your opinino porbably doesnt count for an awful lot to most of us.
me personally, ive seen some of your posting, its usually crap, and i certainly dont respect you. so i guess were even. i just hope you dont take it as personally as i dont.

Sparky

bounty wrote:

but but but

i like big butts

Ah FFS, man thats ugggg.:eek:

WhiteWashMan

The General wrote:

animated gif gone in 2 seconds, and im not complaining about any mods in particular, its just a mod using bad language towards another member for whatever reason should not be allowed

what about users sending threats to other people (since you dont count mods as people)?

or did you just fancy having a whinge on the ol feedback forum?

nesf

WWM and seamus both raise good points.


Pighead. Please cop yourself on and give up on the gimmick. It got old about two months ago.

rsynnott

The General wrote:

couldn't think of any better titles

anyways have a look at this post

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3442809&postcount=4

To be honest, that waste of organs deserves all he gets.

The General wrote:

i suppose in a way your right but still would a guard (off duty but still in uniform) come up to me in the street and say "you are a homophobic ......." i doubt it very much

If you were a known homophobe, then it'd be quite reasonable for him to do so. Read MobileInfancy's history if you don't know...

I've yet to see a mod on this do the wrong thing; I see a lot of posts from mad people about the evil fascist mods tho. Hmm.

Rozie

I personally think it's ridiculous you can be banned from a forum from anything from a few days to indefinitely for a single mess up, and what the mess up is can often be just about everything.

Far too often do the mods side with the majority of members, or rather the ones that are shouting the loudest in the biggest group, rather than making independant decisons.

The problem with harsh forums is that it makes ME act harsh, as I've been to a lot of forums with power tripper mods, so it's a gut reaction at this stage. I think in general if the place was a bit more lax and a little less uptight, everyone would benefit and it would be a lot more comfortable.

But really, this is the way the internet is going as a whole, and it's a shame. It's all about the mods doing what they want, when they want, it's for them more than the members on a lot of forums. I dont' know if I'd say this about here, but I do think the mods need to act a little more respectful.

Cake Fiend

dublindude wrote:

If there were a picture of a couple of Gardai in the paper smoking weed in Amsterdam, I'm pretty sure they'd lose their jobs.

Moderating a board is not a job. We don't get paid, we rarely get extra benefits, in fact we get nothing but grief most of the time.

As has been stated time and time again, moderators are only moderators on the boards they moderate. Otherwise they're just regular users. In fact, I think it might help things if a moderator's tag-thingy under their avatar only showed that they were a moderator when they posted on their moderated forum(s).

Gone West

Sico wrote:

Moderating a board is not a job. We don't get paid, we rarely get extra benefits, in fact we get nothing but grief most of the time.

grief?
All that coke and all those hookers makes it worth it.

The General

WhiteWashMan wrote:

what about users sending threats to other people (since you dont count mods as people)?

or did you just fancy having a whinge on the ol feedback forum?

You mods/people are the law around here and a few of you are going a bit overboard, if someone threatens a mod just ban them simple as

rsynnott

Rozie wrote:

I personally think it's ridiculous you can be banned from a forum from anything from a few days to indefinitely for a single mess up, and what the mess up is can often be just about everything.

Message boards without decent moderation tend to turn into horrid anarchies.

sceptre

WhiteWashMan wrote:

you know what, i will be the perfect mod, when every user becomes the perfect user.

You won't have time to be the perfect mod when that happens. You're going skiing with a big gang of us in hell that day. It's all arranged.

CuLT

sceptre wrote:

You won't have time to be the perfect mod when that happens. You're going skiing with a big gang of us in hell that day. It's all arranged.

Yeah, I thought everyone got the memo.

aidan_walsh

The General wrote:

You mods/people are the law around here and a few of you are going a bit overboard, if someone threatens a mod just ban them simple as

Did you even read the thread you linked from?

Gone West

QED.

CuLT

RopeDrink wrote:

...

**** yeah!

the_syco

The General wrote:

Boards is a very strict message board compared to other message boards around the net, but mods here seem to be able to say what they want to whoever they want and its getting a bit ridiculous, the only mod i know on here that i respect is Seamus, so should mods not have their own set of rules i.e. no bad language towards any members etc

WTF? Someone threatened AMP, and you think he should just calmly ignore it?

=-=

Also, it has happened whereby mods were banned from other forums, me thinks, for acting the prat.

=-=

IMHO, a bad mod is a mod that doesn't give me a temp ban when I step beyond the line.

Rozie wrote:

I think in general if the place was a bit more lax and a little less uptight, everyone would benefit and it would be a lot more comfortable.

...and it wpuld have been shut down. A few forums I visit have had lawsuits against it (and I think there was one against this one a year or two ago), as the mods weren't _harsh_ enough. They try their best to keep the peace, but if some little fool steps out of line, they'll get banned to ensure boards.ie stays legit, and above board. No doubt people like yourself wouldn't give a damn if boards.ie went under, but I do, and the mods do, and the mods give enough of a damn to spend their free time getting rid of any crap that appears on the forum.

sceptre wrote:

You won't have time to be the perfect mod when that happens. You're going skiing with a big gang of us in hell that day. It's all arranged.

Dude: that was ******* plan to get you off boards so he could spam it to pieces.

Lafortezza

Apart from Ropedrinks post this thread is worthless. The OP is just another muppet with a fight the powa chip on his shoulder.

[Jackass]

I have seen the mod in question threaten/carry out the "you're banned from games" one on several occasions...usually in forums or threads completely unrelated to games, and usually in a hand bags exchange back and fourth that he starts and then either loses or winds up a kid to make them become aggressive and hence get banned. Entrapment
An absolute abuse of his position as he knows mods are not likely to prevent him doing it, and it's unfair on his victims.

I think he's a spammer and a troll, who if he didn't know the owners or whatever, he would have been banned as a troll. He's rude, agressive and a bully. And also thrives on attention, infact craves it arond boards. (not enough hugs as a kid if you ask me.)

Before you point it out, I am aware of the irony of having to give him the attention to feed his ego to make this rant.

And no, this is not a bitter rant or chip on my shoulder, as I have never had any run-ins or dealings with him personally...merely observations.

rsynnott

Is it my imagination or do all the whiners have something in common?

billy the squid

CuLT wrote:

Yeah, I thought everyone got the memo.

nah, he was banned from the forum it was posted

the mod there is real strict.

Pighead

seamus wrote:

Pighead, I'd agree with you if you hadn't already posted 6,387 new threads on random topics in After Hours this evening.

I'd prefer to discuss the topic at hand.

I've actually only started one.A non random thread on Burglary.Perhaps you're mixing me up with Pigman 11?

nesf wrote:

Pighead. Please cop yourself on and give up on the gimmick. It got old about two months ago.

No gimmicks buddy.Could you please refrain from your unprovoked bad mouthing of Pighead.It also got old about two months ago.

Just to reiterate, moderators are here to help and remove garbage posts from the forums they are responsible for. They may be an overworked boards.ie employee or a regular user of the site who is pitching in on a volunteer basis. In either case, the moderators are working very hard to make these discussion boards a great place for everyone and deserve our respect.

KevIRL

A thought that might stop all this whinging and moaning about mods outside their own forum (s)

Is it possible to have the code that shows a mods name in bold only active in their own forum (s)? So as outside their own forum (s) they appear as just regular posters.

Doesnt bother me in the slightest to be honest, just a suggestion.

Beruthiel

The General

to quote Regi - that sticky at the top of this forum, the one you seemed to have missed:

This is for FEEDBACK. If you have a query, complaint or need help, use the HELPDESK.

in case you didn't get that, I'll repeat

if you have a complaint, take it to the helpdesk

azezil

WhiteWashMan

The General wrote:

You mods/people are the law around here and a few of you are going a bit overboard, if someone threatens a mod just ban them simple as

i think yo umissed the point.

that being that why do we have to put up with crap like that, and attacks here from people like you, when you are hardly a role model for the common man.

ive seen serveral of your escapades, many of your posts, and i havent been impressed.

when you and all the other 50000 users stop insulting each other, stop insulting me, stop spmming, linking porn, linking snuff movies, advertising, or generally putting up pointless poles about the length of shoelaces, then i really will endevour to do better.

if people cut me slack, i cut them slack.
a moderator who bans someone is not on a power trip. believe me, the joy of having many people constantly PM you looking to be reinstated into a forum, or trying to argue that it 'was their fault, they provoked me by having a viewpoint i dont agree with' constantly or some other rubbish.


as for mods doing and saying what they want, why cant they? i say what i want. mostly i stay within the confins of the charters or decency. but if i step over, im fully prepared to take whatever is handed me. ive been banned several times from several forums for many things. im no saint. but i know when ive done wrong and im damn well man enough to take an internet forum banning for a week!
its a shame that other people cant. as for decideding this weeks 'power mad mod' (can we make a sticky with this in it so people can complain?) well, get in line. there are loads of people who have issues with a perticular mod and just cant seem to get them out of their mind. if you were a gril, id call em groupies. maybe youre jut a little obsessed? who knows?

anywy, what do i care. ive been here longer than most people, i know all the important people, and sure if dont like you, i'll just get my good admin buddies to ban you for no reason at all. sure i do it every week at this stage!

Talliesin

The General wrote:

its just a mod using bad language towards another member for whatever reason should not be allowed

There's no rule against using "bad language" as such on boards. There's a rule against using "txt spk" on many individual forums, which to my mind fits the term "bad language" better than a few expletives. Posting **** every other word will probably get you banned for being a deliberate nuisance, but apart from that no rule was broken.

There is a rule against personal abuse on most of boards, but not the prison forum. With a very few exceptions (which are dealt with seriously) the people who post in the prison forum are either people who aren't actually capable of following simple rules and acting respectfully in the first place, or else people taunting the same.

The General wrote:

i suppose in a way your right but still would a guard (off duty but still in uniform) come up to me in the street and say "you are a homophobic ......." i doubt it very much

If it was relatively easy to show that you were "a homophobic ......." then you wouldn't be in much of a position to complain. Demonstrating that MI is a homophobic dickhead isn't very hard.

Rozie wrote:

I personally think it's ridiculous you can be banned from a forum from anything from a few days to indefinitely for a single mess up, and what the mess up is can often be just about everything.

The rules are a mixture of what is published as rules of boards, what is published as rules of a particular forum and what is taught to most people by the age of nine as to how to conduct yourself in public.

Rozie wrote:

Far too often do the mods side with the majority of members, or rather the ones that are shouting the loudest in the biggest group, rather than making independant decisons.

This is an unusual complaint. Normally the complaint is that we are not being democratic.

Mods will respond to loud shouting - because we can hear that. Though a BS complaint will not go down well with me.

Personally, I don't care if the majority of the members like me or not, I have plenty of friends and don't need to enter any popularity contests. Where I do care about the majority of members is in making the rules fit the majority of members of a forum I mod, either by adjusting a charter, or by supporting the creation of another forum if a particular off-topic subject comes up frequently in a forum. Apart from that I read the content of complaints and judge them on their merits, I don't care about the number - in any case the number game doesn't work if something is debated since the more there is that weigh in on one side the more there is that weigh in on the other.

Rozie wrote:

The problem with harsh forums is that it makes ME act harsh

Most users don't "act harsh". Most users never even get warnings.

Rozie wrote:

I dont' know if I'd say this about here, but I do think the mods need to act a little more respectful.

If you look at the posts by moderators that are not concerned with moderation you'll generally find that most of them are consistently helpful, considerate and interesting posters. This is how they've earned the respect that got them considered for moderation in the first place.

Generally when someone has broken one of the rules but are themselves respectful then unless there is a publised zero-tolerance policy on that particular rule (which is on rare occasions necessary because a particular rule is being so frequently broken to the point of interfering with a forum's operation) then generally this will be pointed out to the in either the thread in question or PM and they can see that they have broken the rule and continue to use the forum. This is respectful enforcement of the rules.

On the other hand when someone storms into a conversation that other people are having and insults those who are making use of the forum, Spams boards, or otherwise acts without any respect for the other users themselves I really don't feel amiss in insulting the little tosser as I ban them.

The General wrote:

You mods/people are the law around here and a few of you are going a bit overboard, if someone threatens a mod just ban them simple as

It's not acceptable to kill anyone. At the time of that PM I was myself in the middle of an argument with amp, yet I managed to somehow not send him a PM treatening to kill him.

The only difference I would have made for amp rather than another user in how this was enforced is that I would have trusted amp's claim about the PM based on the screenshot he sent, with another user that wasn't as much of a member in good standing I would have waited until an admin took a look at the PM before going further. This is a matter solely of the amount of evidence I would require before acting, not the actions I would take (and if I'd been the first s-mod to see the complaint then MI would be permanently banned, 3 weeks is too soft for that IMO).

stevenmu

Rozie wrote:

The problem with harsh forums is that it makes ME act harsh, as I've been to a lot of forums with power tripper mods, so it's a gut reaction at this stage. I think in general if the place was a bit more lax and a little less uptight, everyone would benefit and it would be a lot more comfortable.

What do you do if a couple of Gardai walk past you in the street, run in and rob a bank and blame it on them ?

The General

Beruthiel wrote:

The General

to quote Regi - that sticky at the top of this forum, the one you seemed to have missed:

This is for FEEDBACK. If you have a query, complaint or need help, use the HELPDESK.

in case you didn't get that, I'll repeat

if you have a complaint, take it to the helpdesk

its not really a complaint ( i don't mind how mods act ) but i taught they would still have to show respect to every member no matter what is said.

Talliesin

The General wrote:

but i taught they would still have to show respect to every member no matter what is said.

Respect is earned.

Civility is what one should expect by default. Though losing that can be earned too.

Hobbes

Mods should be more cuddly.

WhiteWashMan

oh, and with little pictures on their tummies, like care bears did!

i could have a picture of a paintbrush on my little tummy!

Beruthiel

The General wrote:

i taught they would still have to show respect to every member no matter what is said.

well
there's you're problem right there,
thinking is a dangerous thing in the work hands...
head...

WhiteWashMan

The General wrote:

its not really a complaint ( i don't mind how mods act ) but i taught they would still have to show respect to every member no matter what is said.

id expect the same from users as well.

rsynnott

The General wrote:

i taught they would still have to show respect to every member no matter what is said.

Presumably of some the mods didn't attend your class.

Talliesin

Hobbes wrote:

Mods should be more cuddly.

But I thought I was cuddly