Feedback thread for Radio Forum

archfi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123156110#Comment_123156110

As far as the Liveline thread, it's a running commentary on a live phone-in radio show with the highest paid presenter on RTE (can you believe that?)

Posters are commenting on his peculiar quirks considering he's a public broadcast presenter - I mean who in this country says 'thank you for your service' to almost anyone who calls in to his show or 'praise be to allah'? He has a huge range of language feckups from expressing what year he's talking about from the 1600s to making up his own interpretations on how to pronounce everyday words and phrases and repeating them throughout the show. That's commenting on presenting style not his accent as such which is the same as mine.

If that's putting off some posters from partaking in a thread well they mustn't have much to say on anything that's brought up - which if they'd been reading it they'd know it's full of great insights on every subject under the sun and God forbid, insights into subjects that go off tangent as well which is the #1 crime on boards.ie it seems

I hope there is no fall off in posting on that thread which was the largest live commentary radio thread.

I can understand clamping down on any defamation/libel/whatever which is what I took the new charter to be about but whatever this is shaping up to be isn't it, I hope I'm wrong on that.

And if it's a 'higher standard' of posting you want, well good luck with that in a discussion with Joe Duffy or Katie Hannon handling the show.

nonetheless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123156553#Comment_123156553

As my original post implied, you are not going to get criticism of his radio show alone.

odyssey06

They are not just radio presenters they are personalities. That is part of their profile. It is part of the package of their show. It gets people listening to and talking about them and their show. The presenters themselves in their publicity play to this.

Some of the comments on this thread about what should be discussed on the forum seem to be coming from an idea of what radio is from the 1980s. Its 2025.

There is zero evidence of this conjectured (mythical?) more high brow posters who are just waiting to post in radio...

And are likely to lead to the radio forum becoming a lot lot quieter. So in 6 months if the post count of radio and user engagement has dropped noticeably …it will be directly due to the admin and moderator decisions made.

But I see no sign anybody in Boards is tracking or cares about things like that. It appears the driving force behind decisions is what makes life easier for mods. The tail is wagging the dog.

Big Bag of Chips

So in 6 months if the post count of radio and user engagement has dropped noticeably …it will be directly due to the admin and moderator decisions made.

That's ok. Quality over quantity is preferable. If a certain cohort of posters stop posting because they find it too difficult to remain in the forum and post without constant criticism all day, it might just clear the way for posters who are more interested in discussion.

I find it slightly depressing that posters are fighting so hard to remain miserable and complaining. Why so many people feed off negativity and criticism, and fear change that might make the forum a slightly nicer place to post.

EmmetSpiceland

Could just ask a question regarding the new charter’s warning system?

I had the impression that the new warnings would have the same processes as the “Current Affairs” forum and would be unappealable until the 6th, or so, warning, is this not the case?

Leg End Reject

There's no restriction on appealing warnings.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123156729#Comment_123156729

Negativity… complaining… miserable…

Is this from someone talking about the same site that hosts After Hours?

It might just lead to it ... but there wont be any second guessing if it doesn't that a wrong decision was made?

A nicer place? A not busy shop is nice if you are browsing through it but its not a good sign for its future survival.

So - so what? So what if its negative? People are posting. They are engaging with the site. They shouldn't have to do so without having to think about whether they are being 'too negative'.

What are examples of these conjectured discussions about "radio" that are being blocked by the current content?
tumbleweed
The conversations aren't happening because of the current content on the radio, the conversations aren't happening because that's not the response the current radio content generates.
You can frequent the radio forum without going near the Liveline thread, of Tubridy thread, or whatever.
It's not the kind of subject where less is more, and quality discussion leads to a deeper understanding.
It's part of Entertainment, alongside TV, Celebrity and Showbiz…

I'm not saying posters should always be negative. But if that's where the action is at, and posters aren't being hostile to each other, play away.

Im arguing for a free playing field - as long as not defamatory or abuse towards other posters or based on protected characteristics of the public figure.

We are told moderation capacity is limited... and yet now moderators are going to monitor content for being too negative?

It doesn't add up, either for the forum itself or in the context or Boards in general.

Big Bag of Chips

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

~Eleanor Roosevelt

We'd ask posters to at least aim for an average mind when posting.

There's a fine line between criticism and abuse. And I'm not sure why you think this site should host abuse of anyone. Public figures or not. Moderators can't be everywhere. So by laying down the marker of what is expected in the forum they can at least stamp out some of the problem posting on the forum. Those who ignore the posting guidelines will be caught by moderation. We expect people to post in the forum without casual abuse aimed at anyone.

Criticism is fine. The moderators will make the call between what is legitimate criticism and what is unacceptable abuse. Warnings and bans will be issued. Posters will soon learn the difference, or they won't. But it has been outlined that rules in the forum are changing. The new rules aren't outlandish. As with everything most posters won't have a problem with them. A small percentage will, as always, complain and look for loopholes.

nonetheless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123157042#Comment_123157042

small minds discuss people

Thanks for that 100%

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123157042#Comment_123157042

"I'm not sure why you think this site should host abuse of anyone. Public figures or not."

I'm not even saying it should. It is Boards that in fact does. Across multiple forums. This is not a new development.

There's an entire thread in After Hours titled "Who is someone you inexplicably can't stand" … which would be one thing if it was not explained, but typically consists of a negative and derogatory explanations.

I linked to it above already on the thread, it was conveniently ignored.

Other posters have referenced similar in Sports threads.

That's not "looking for loopholes", that's pointing out Radio is a forum within Boards, and it appears that one particular set of public figures have been singled out for special protection.
Or, if there is merit to the argument, then it should apply beyond Radio and be a common expected standard of Boards.
And no - it really isn't at present.

The "fine line" between criticism and abuse being difficult to define and may vary widely between moderators.
If I say X is a racist, that is meant as a criticism, some could see it as abuse.

It would be helpful if mods could update the OP of threads after a mod action, clarifying that eg this line of criticism or particular phrase = abuse.

There's a sub-forum in Entertainment, which is the same forum as Radio, titled "Celebrity & Showbiz".

So I guess you should shut that forum down, based on the guidance of Eleanor Roosevelt, as it involves discussion of people. But in reality, the chances that Eleanor Roosevelt didn't discuss other people (a lot) during her life? Zero. Self discrediting.

Events happen to people and are a factor of the people participating in them. You cannot discuss events without also discussing the people involved, especially when that is eg a personality driven radio programme.

Big Bag of Chips

The "fine line" between criticism and abuse being difficult to define and may vary widely between moderators.

True. We call it moderator discretion. It's also why we have moderator forums where moderators discuss posts and posters and get opinions from others.

Do you know what @odyssey06 work away, post as you always have. I give the same advice to other posters too. If it's a problem, you'll soon find out.

nonetheless

I don't think anyone is going to bother posting anything further on the Tubridy thread to give you the satisfaction.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123157343#Comment_123157343

I think we both know that is an empty threat.

RoTelly

Ryan Turbridy and RTÉ and this fallout from the scandal go hand in hand, is this not an important topic for the Radio section of boards.ie. The national public service broadcaster completely mismanagement situation and that's not just about Tubs. Neither the TV forum nor the Radio forum have much time to debate something like this, something is very wrong.

The Tubs thread was a wider discussion about the fall out from this and how radio is largely surviving without him and others.

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158500#Comment_123158500

It’s been over 18 months since the fallout from the RT affair. It’s up to the bodies overseeing RTE to pursue these matters. As there is a large overlap between these bodies and the oireachtas there are a number of politicians placed to investigate and enact sanctions. If you are concerned about the outcome so far, posting the same thing day after day on Boards isn’t going to progress matters. Get into your politician’s local clinics, write to media outlets. Create a campaign and bring the matter back into the spotlight. The media as a whole have moved on by now. The man himself has moved on. Only on boards is this still a seeping wound.

Mr Disco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158632#Comment_123158632

“seeping wound”? Touch dramatic no?

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158632#Comment_123158632

I hope I post up at least some new stuff on the continuing scandal at RTÉ in the Dee Forbes thread.

I have gone to local politician's local clinics (have you ever ?), I have written and been published in a number of media outlets. and I even called out Moya Doherty and RTÉ at a public event. I have even been on the to the CnaM. I am currently in the middle of FoI something from TG4. I have even called out Kevin Bakhurst, I have attended all Oireachtas commitee meetings in person.

I see no change to RTÉ or to broadcasting in general Ireland in the last 18 months.

It is simply case that many people just want an end to something that happened 18 months ago and leave to the powers that be, that want 25k car allowances and build up expences of 21k in 6 months and are fustrated that the government aren't signing of on the 40 redundancies they want!

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158693#Comment_123158693

Sincerely, well done. It’s good to talk to scene who has gone down the official routes to try and resolve an issue. If you have actual updates, those are valid. It’s a sad fact however that the whole controversy ended the moment the government gave a soft bung of €725m to RTE. Unfortunately, but predictably, everyone involved in the affair ran to ground and largely got away Scott free relatively speaking. I do admire your commitment to the issue but, like so many other things in this great little country of ours, it’s been hushed away. None of our politicians are interested in asking hard questions and we let them away with that. Look at the inquiry into the whole thing. Top of every politicians mind was exposure and seeing to be the tough guy/gal. Most of this however is nite applicable to the politics forum.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158776#Comment_123158776

So happened 18 months ago, forget about, nothing will be done, don't post on boards, and get in touch with your local TD, but well done for doing all of the above but you are wasting your time.

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158812#Comment_123158812

Yeah I’d say tge ship has sailed now but that’s only my opinion. My point though is that if more people commenting on boards actually put in the edge you did then the night start to change.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158872#Comment_123158872

Well I won't be letting it sail. I will expect better services from our national public service broadcaster.

archfi

Who knew you can't say can't say ***?

It's part of Joe's radio personality (allowed), everyone knows th*t.

Am I doing it right? That's not an accent (banned), is it?

Maybe a list of banned Joeism's (personality) in the charter thread would help the bumpiness and awkwardness and help the new mod along.

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Warned: Don't be a dick

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159821#Comment_123159821

The word is "that", typing "dat" is mocking his accent and that is clearly not allowed.

You can't expect us to provide a definitive list of examples, type the full word rather than imitating an accent.

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159821#Comment_123159821

If you feel there is an issue with your warning or ban you can appeal it by going to

https://www.boards.ie/categories/dispute-resolution

If you have an issue with an action, PM the mod in question. The wider board is not the place for this.

archfi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159851#Comment_123159851

The vast majority of Irish people pronounce that as 'dat', he's on the radio

As for a list, you have read the thread ahead of this haven't you? there's no more than half a dozen constant 'Joeisms' not including heaps of his unique daily wordsmithery.

So to get one item clear, typing 'dat' instead of 'that' is a warning/ban offence?

archfi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159854#Comment_123159854

What ban?

I'm asking for feedback which Leg End has given.

While you're here, is deleting heaps of posts now part of the deal? I caught glimpse of one that couldn't have possibly been against any charter but what do I know eh.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159890#Comment_123159890

Yes, you can post away if you type the full word.

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159904#Comment_123159904

My bad. You haven’t received a ban of warning.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159890#Comment_123159890

Yes.

It is a site rule that txt speak is not allowed. 'That' is one letter longer than 'dat'. Use the full word please.

Peter Dragon

hi,

I am trying to report a post but cannot do so - when I press “Send Report” nothing happens.

May I pm a mod with this report? I’m asking permission here.