Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419293#Comment_122419293

No.

Becuase I don't think players wanting to stay is an issue.

We don't have viable (in the clubs opinion) offers for any player.

Casemiro isn't still in the squad cause he is refusing to leave - there simply isn't the interest in him bar some rumours about turkish teams - and I'd imagine we'd struggle to see them offer more than 10m, and they won't offer him a contract over 100/150k imo - wanting United to cover the rest; which makes it all pointless.

West Ham are the only club showing interest in AWB but it seems like he is second or third choice.

Fenerbache apparently in for Scott, but they won't go anywhere near 30m for him. Maybe a PL side might come in for him later?

We are being hamstrung by the financials we need on these players to sell them.

keane2097

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122418357#Comment_122418357

Because they agreed to take him on loan on the basis that they would get something with a monetary value, i.e. sell-on %.

I would be shocked if Bohs weren't entitled to a proportional amount of any future sell-on clause for Ferguson, which was kind of the point of the entire previous post I wrote so maybe I'm not explaining myself very well. If sell-on clauses don't filter down through each transfer proportionally then they make no sense.

DM_7

United are probably out of the running for more signings now unless they sell some players?

Sancho, Casemiro, AWB, Lindelof, Maguire, Eriksen, Hannibal and Pellestri must all be available. McT might end up sold to balance the books in terms of how that income would help the club.

Nice have sold Thurman now and looks like Tobido will go as well. Two players United could well have done with and probably would have liked to be in the running for. Combined they will probably go for fees similar to what Yoro cost so the funding was available.

Could be a slow couple of weeks ahead.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419277#Comment_122419277

Given the need to get a starting DM signed, and on the assumption that we may need to offload players to do so. I'm not sure we're in a realistic position to be going out to the market for some cover. Maybe they're stalling to see if Rabiot can be got.

Would you favour letting Coyller or one of the other academy players act as cover if not?

I get your point re "rewarding mediocrity" but I would probably put it that it's a reflection of our mediocrity... and signing Amrabat on the cheap would be somewhat of a stopgap until we get to really raising the quality of the squad.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419749#Comment_122419749

I just don't accept that a better player than Amrabat cannot be found, for about the same money. Or a player that might be better. a 21/22/23 yo from France or South America with potential. MAYBE they fail. but we have already seen Amrabat not be good enough, and barely used most of the time. Lets not forget, EtH chose to start ERIKSEN at DM ahead of him.

I see no good value in a deal for Amrabat. He had his chance, and for whatever reason, it didn't work out. Rewarding that with a 10millon/15million signing and a 3 or 4 year contract - at which point he'll be 30 or 31, just seems like bad business all over.

He would be, at best (?) an average squad player from what we have seen, for a decent chunk of money, with almost no chance of seeing a financial return on him either. If the club can't find a prospect for similar money, with some potential to be a decent medium term player for us, or be sold for a decent value in a couple of years - that is a failure on the club.

BenK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419807#Comment_122419807

100% agree, Amrabat has not done enough to earn a contract. If he was younger with a lot of potential maybe, but I don't see him improving much more at this rate and overall he was massively underwhelming.

Acosta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122417616#Comment_122417616

I think it was handled terribly. All that horseshit regarding a several month internal investigation was just a smokescreen for indecisiveness at the highest level, about how to deal with it.

They eventually decided to announce he was staying at United, and then at the slightest hint of blow back from fans and the media, they did a U-turn and wanted him gone. Getafe got a sweet deal because they did all this at the end of August, instead the start of the window, or even before it. They had no time to get a better deal. Richard Arnold was a buffoon of a CEO and cost the club millions on this deal.

Cotts72

Lads greenwood is gone, can we not just leave it be now

Iseedeadpixels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122420267#Comment_122420267

The club mentions the below in their statement

This has drawn on extensive evidence and context not in the public domain, and we have heard from numerous people with direct involvement or knowledge of the case.

I always found that bit ridiculous, almost like "we have evidence but we aren't telling you" it just felt made up tbh.

Annabella1

think Casemiro is going to be a big problem to shift

2 years left on contract and 350 k per week at 32 yrs

Mad stuff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122420682#Comment_122420682

Would his wages not be subject to the same non CL reduction that has been in basically every contract United have agreed in the last 10 years?

Caustic

I think it's a bit mad to assume there are plenty of young midfielders that are ready to do a job in the premier league for 10-15 million.

Talented youngsters that aren't even premier league ready are going for double that amount.

Im no fan of Amrabat but if he is signed for 10 million and is able to plug a few gaps then there really is no harm, that's 2.5 to 2 mil a year depending on his contract which is pittence in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't need resale value. It's not like any of the other crazy deals we have done for aging players in the past, hell he isn't even that old he is only 27 28.

If he only even plays in the games where we have to sit in against the better sides and delivers a performance around the fa cup final it'll be money well spent.

The club seems to be moving in the right direction spending bigger money on younger players at lower wages so even if they don't work out they can be shifted.

But it doesn't mean there isn't room for some older bargain basement signings especially in our current financial state.

And if he performs half decent and we upgrade somewhere down the line we would probably still be able to shift him on for a fee as the new owners won't make the mistake of paying him too much money.

Of course it wouldn't be an exciting transfer but it's just fine given our circumstances it's a body in midfield and he has a years experience in the league,

PARlance

Rasmus gets the no.9 jersey! Just announced on offical site.

JRant

At this point it's unfortunately looking like this young man's career may be in jeopardy. Come up on 14 months out with a knee injury can't be a good sign.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1816119915276914908?t=HUOU4cXofm_lU2fQDrNsBQ&s=19

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421193#Comment_122421193

but we have a season of Amrabat not showing he is a premier league performer. Maybe a younger player we sign also doesn't perform, but we have a year of evidence that Amrabat won't.

If he had played the exact same for Liverpool - would you be touting him as a potential signing this summer?

And if he is a player that conintues as he did last season - are we easily moving him on next summer, off his new contract, without a loss?

DM_7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421193#Comment_122421193

It is another 19 million (assume 120K a week for a player with only a year left on his current club contract) or so in wages over 3 years with zero sell on value. So it is more like 10million per year for him including your suggested transfer fee.

Is he worth that? He started 10 league games last season.

May as well offer Rabiot the 200k per week.

Caustic

Lads he is 27 not 33 to assume absolutely zero chance of any sell on fee is completely disingenuous, if he signs it could well be only lower wages then he is on and he if he signs he is obviously fairly happy to be a squad player something every squad needs, these youngsters i dont think exist tbh maybe there is a few like Fofana we could get done, Rabiot would no doubt come with a hefty singing on fee also, not that id say no to Rabiot, id certainly prefer that over Amrabat but you cant argue resale value against a 27 year old and then say we should sign a 29 year old.

Again its not the i think it'd be a great signing itd be a bit meh but i understand it, given the circumstances the club are in and in the grand scheme of things its extremely low money, i just dont think its worth complaining about either, a transfer with little big upside or little big downside. Who can cover a few different positions

And if we are being honest very few players performed well last season especially in that midfield role,

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421466#Comment_122421466

Its not just resale - its that he has already been poor for us. Why spend money and a new contract on a player that hasn't performed?
I don't think Rabiot would have any more sale value, less probably. But also doesn't come with a transfer fee so not having a resale value is less of an issue - as his costs will mostly just be the wages. And the important part for me is that Rabiot hasn't already been poor for us, under this same manager. Maybe Rabiot would not work out, but its more of a maybe than Amrabat imo - and that is why i don't like the Amrabat signing. Do something new that might work, rather than rehash what didn't.

I do think Amrabat would look less overrun in a more competently set up team. But we also have the same manager, so while I hope to see less stupidity in our set up I will forever fear we are one bad loss from throwing caution to the wind again. However, even if he was less over run, I don't think his physical level (Speed, Strength, Height) or his speed of use of the ball is up to the PL.

For similar money, and at a similar age, i would actually rather we got for the guy at Coventry - Ben Sheaf. Similar type of profile imo, probably similar costs, similar age, but an attempt at something different.

ngunners

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122419310#Comment_122419310

But PSG were mostly playing far, far inferior opposition (I say this as someone who lived in France for several years and was a regular at a mid-table team's home matches), so much easier to make successful passes, interceptions. Not saying Ugarte isn't the better player, just that it's ahrd to judge players playing in two leagues of such vastly different quality.

DM_7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122421466#Comment_122421466

I said Rabiot only in the context of an alternative to the type of player you were saying is a good option. I was not suggesting he was an option for the criteria of player I think United should be looking at.

Amrabat did not do enough to earn a contract. I am not convinced he would play much and he would be a problem to move on later (actually pretty soon) on.

It would be much better to look for a player that can grow. Look at Wharton at Palace. He signed in February for around 20 million from the Championship and ended up part of the England squad by summer.

PARlance

Thought our Euro/Copa players would be joining up with the US Tour at some stage but they won't, they'll be training at home with Mclaren. Charity Shield will be the only preseason match for Mainoo, Bruno, Martinez, Shaw, Garnacho, Dalot, Zirkzee and Pellistri.

Mars Bar

New away kit is out today. Looks more blue in the media but it's more navy than blue. Was excited when I saw it on insta but not so keen on it now that I've seen it in the flesh

Iseedeadpixels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423396#Comment_122423396

I hope we arrange a behind closed doors game because if not we're gonna start slow yet again.

caviardreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423481#Comment_122423481

Think it might be one of those kits that looks better on / wearing it, than on a hanger iykwim.

Love the navy silver combo. Not mad on the collar (prefer round neck)

Still wish they would do a longsleeve womens version of the kits

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423483#Comment_122423483

I'm sure they will but its crazy the little time they have together! Not good when you consider the amount of work that was needed to improve upon last season.

Mars Bar

Yeah the silver is nice. Agreed on the collar. Would have been nicer without one. Just easy access to a women's fit in the brick and mortar shops would be a bonus, long or short sleeves!

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423481#Comment_122423481

Not that I follow cricket, but it looks like a England jersey from a while back.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122423396#Comment_122423396

i'm kinda annoyed Shaw isn't cutting his time short and joining up. Got just about Match fit for the first time in 5 months on July 14th and then goes on a 3 week holiday juky 15th. I hoped he would have taken a shorter break and come back in time for the tour, to keep that level of fitness going now that he is fit.

Iseedeadpixels

I've taken my eye of the ball posting daily waffle

DAILY MIRROR

Manchester United are stepping up their search for a left-back, with Tyrell Malacia no closer to returning to action, with Feyenoord's David Hancko, Marcos Alonso and Tyrick Mitchell among potential targets.

THE SUN

Manchester United are in a panic over their full-back situation with less than a month to go to the start of the new season.

Manchester United are ready to flog seven stars in order to get more fresh faces through the door, according to reports.

DAILY MAIL

Manchester United will intensify their search for new full-backs this summer amid uncertainty over both sides of their defence.

THE ATHLETIC

Manchester United have informed several long-serving academy coaches and staff their roles may no longer be required as part of the drastic cost-cutting measures announced by the Sir Jim Ratcliffe regime.

Manchester United's women's team will use St George's Park as a temporary training base to start their pre-season preparations.

THE GUARDIAN

Erik ten Hag is not under pressure to guide Manchester United to a top-four finish next season, with Sir Jim Ratcliffe prioritising considerable progression of the team as the man in charge of football operations at United aims to establish sustained excellence there.

I don't think it's the same as a summer without football that you lose the match fitness. They'll be back after 3 weeks out and you'd imagine there would be some fitness work from all players in that time off anyway and there will be games played if they need them.

Community shield will be a good tune up even if City will probably be locked in to put a womping on them after the cup final.