Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

fatherted1969

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411667#Comment_122411667

It's Groundhog day here Mitch, it's a neverending cycle so I only have to wait 12 hours for the same argument to reappear from yourself!

Mod Edit: poster was warned for this post.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411705#Comment_122411705

And you dragging it up again 12 hours later doesn't contribute to that at all.
Well done.

fatherted1969

The veto argument is a strange one, I don't have any idea if there's one nor do I care. I would expect every manager of every club to have some sort of input linto signings, whether that manifests into a veto or not is irrelevant. He's well entitled to have a discussion around an incoming players ability to match into the style of play.

Mitch Connor

Message from ashworth. A suit speaks! Miracles at united!

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-sporting-director-dan-ashworth-column-to-fans

Iseedeadpixels

Lads the veto thing is done to death! He obviously has 1 but we don't know if he has used it, can we move on now and stop trying to bait Mitch.

Father Hernandez

“This remains one of the biggest football clubs in the world, but that is not our measure of success; the focus is on getting back to being among the best on the pitch. It won’t happen overnight, but, together with Omar and his new leadership team, we will not rest until we have achieved it.”

Christ that's refreshing to hear when they're actually the right people for the job and it's not all smoke and mirrors.

Long may it continue.

DM_7

Mod: people have asked already and it is now backed up by a mod request, time to move on from the veto talk.

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NITRO95

"by winning the FA Cup in such impressive fashion, our players and staff showed what they are capable of when everyone pulls together and performs to their potential"

I thought the above was interesting quote given all the talk of certain players being unhappy at different times last season. I think it's quite clear at this point that Berrada, Wilcox, Ashworth and ETH are all pulling in the same direction and appear quite content, publicly at least, with their working arrangement. I'm genuinely optimistic for the season to come and the overall short-medium term future.It's all encouraging noises being made by those in control and until they prove otherwise, I have no reason to doubt their intentions to deliver on their promises.

Caustic

Seen that there is some chatter on Sancho to PSG today, while flicking through reddit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412171#Comment_122412171

Probably work out for all parties. United have too many options in his position even if him and Ten Hag are letting bygones be bygones. Suits the club while negotiating for PSG players too. Probably too much of an uneasy alliance to bank on through the season.

El Gato De Negocios

Straight swap for Ugarte, bosh.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412171#Comment_122412171

Sancho swap for Urgate

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412270#Comment_122412270

I just don't see how it suits them, tbh.

I've no doubt we would move him on for the right deal; otherwise I could see things kicking off over him being subbed off, or left out or whatever at some point during the season. But i wouldn't have thought of PSG as a likely destination for him. With Mbappe gone there is maybe a spot on their left side for him though, I suppose.

Iseedeadpixels

For PSR/FFP I'm guessing it won't be a straight swap it will be both clubs offering 50m or whatever for each player.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412386#Comment_122412386

I think that is how it always has been - just not quite reported that way. As you would have to declare a right down of the 'asset' regardless, and a value against the new signing.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412270#Comment_122412270

I can't imagine that relationship can be in any way normal with what has gone on.

Maybe ETH has figured that Sancho may be of some use to him in the short-term, I would assume ETH knows that he himself needs to deliver this year or he's gone.

There's lots of ways you could look at it, I suppose. Maybe Ineos believe Sancho is the type of player profile they want, a player that another manager might want, and have told ETH to just make use of him... again, on the assumption that they may be changing manager soon.

If ETH was secure in his position, I don't think Sancho would be anywhere near the squad.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412416#Comment_122412416

I think the way everything was handled was terrible, and that isn't just me attacking EtH. I think EtH takes some blame, I think Sancho takes some blame and i certainly think Murtough and Arnold take blame as well.

It shouldn't just be up to the manager to instill discipline. Obviously he needs ot be a part of it, but it shouldn't all be on him. The players seemingly having no avenue to vent frustrations or talk things out that is just directly with EtH was a problem imo. I also don't think EtH should be hte one pickign punishments, which is how it seems to have gone. I 100% back his call to remove him from the first team - the manager needs that authority - but to ban him from training with the youths? To ban him from changing at the club? To ban him from using the canteen? I think the club allowed that punishment to go waaaayyyy too far.

Murtough and Arnold should have been stepping in on this, and other, player situations. It shouldn't have been going from 'Sancho you are not starting vs Arsenal' to 'You are no longer allowed at the club' as it did. there was a slow build up to it, imo.

When INEOS came in, all they could really have seen was a player signed for massive money, on massive wages, having been sitting on his arse losing value by the bucket load. And if the standoff continued? Whats the selling position?

IMO Sancho AND EtH were told to suck it up. Get him back in the squad for pre-season, strengthen out hand on sales talk for him and get on with it if a buyer can't be found for value. I also don't see how it persists for a season if it comes to that - it will be just a few percieved slights from kicking off all over again.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412469#Comment_122412469

Do we really know that if ETH was responsible for the heavy handed punishment? When we know that Murtough had a fairly key role in the ridiculous treatment of Schweinsteiger. It was basically the same treatment (but I'd have less sympathy for Sancho).

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412501#Comment_122412501

I thought it was Jose who wanted BS out of training and Murtough who handled it poorly?

As for Sancho - I believe it was reported that EtH set the punishment. If it was Murtough then the reconciliation (of sorts) this summer makes more sense, but I don't think i've ever seen comment that it was Murtough who bannished him from the club (basically).

This is a club where a former player and manager talk about each other in glowing terms after one kicked a boot at the other's head. I said at the time that players and managers can fall out and get over it. I actually think a fit and firing Sancho could be the best winger at the club, certainly the most technically proficient.

Sancho seemed to be somewhat popular amongst the players which I think exacerbated many of the issues too.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412508#Comment_122412508

Yip, it was Jose but (unless Murtough was a complete lapdog) it was Murtough that handled it poorly.

If Murtough handled it poorly for Sweinstieger then it would be no surprise that he handled it poorly with Sancho.

I'm not sure what reports you refer to about ETH setting the punishment. I'm not sure the inner workings like that are going to get out in the public too often.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412539#Comment_122412539

I certainly don't think players and managers need to be best buddies.

But given what we see of their charactors from the outside, it seems combustable.

EtH seems fairly stubborn, and exacting in his standards.

Sancho seems fairly laid back/lazy

Given they have already fallen out massively on one issue, and (apparently) a few other times on 'smaller' issues leading up to it, I just reckon Sancho will kick off over being a sub against random EL side in November or EtH will see Sancho not giving 100% in training as a personal slight one too many times.

I think with Ruud, Wilcox and Ashworth we are maybe in a better spot to head off player issues (Ruud rated as a good man manager it seems) vs Murtough doing nothing and VDG apparently being hated by most of the players.

Iseedeadpixels

We might see Sancho more on the left with Garnacho/Amad on the right.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412625#Comment_122412625

my gut tells me if Rashford isn't on the left, Garnacho would be moved left before Sancho would start there - and then its Amad vs Sancho vs Antony on the right.

Quags

I know its TUS but anyone seen this fella play

https://twitter.com/SamC_reports/status/1815398225005703423

El Gato De Negocios

If Rashford isn't played on the left there is little point playing him at all. It's the only position that "works" for him.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412763#Comment_122412763

Would be a good signing as an 8. Not a 6. Would rotate well with mainoo. Would be a good replacement for McTominay.

Not an alternative to Ugarte, who is the only other midfield link.

The two of them world be good additions as a pair.

Caustic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412764#Comment_122412764

In ten haggs first year he used to deploy him as a striker later in games when we were in the lead, sitting in and playing counter attack one of the reasons he did so well actually as he had all that space to run into. So excellent bench option in the regard for that particular tactic but also a huge waste of money for that kind of option, plus we would actually have to go ahead in games and be able to hold onto the lead for more then 5 minutes for it to be useful :)

Robson99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412788#Comment_122412788

Zubimendi could be a better addition than Ugarte… better ball player from what I've seen reported

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122412890#Comment_122412890

Absolutely a better ball player, but we need a higher defensive output. IMO.

Leave the ball playing to Martinez and Mainoo (and Shaw we hope)