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Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,963 ✭✭✭Field east


    so how do you go out to eg get your hair done/cut, go to church , do your shopping , go out socialising, etc, etc, or maybe all those services are delivered / provided to you at your house.

    Or is there not some child recycling to raise a few euro to buy a football living near you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭jj880


    He said there isnt an RVM within walking distance. All those other things could well be in walking distance.

    Go round the locality to find a child saving for a football? 🤣 You cant be serious.

    Or Re-Turn could just provide the exemption for home delivery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Get haircut = A barbers walking distance away

    Go to church = Haha, good one!

    Do your shopping = As I have mentioned numerous times on this thread I get my groceries delivered. Thats what started this latest conversational tangent.

    Go out socialising = Taxi. Or theres a good pub about a 40 minute walk away.

    Or is there not some child recycling to raise a few euro to buy a football living near you?

    Then he or she is welcome to take my empties from the green bin. What does it matter if they get recycled by the green bin or an RVM, so long as they get recycled?

    Post edited by LambshankRedemption on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭I told ya


    This morning the machine in my local Spar would not accept Ribena bottles. Beside the barcode was UK only.

    Anyone else come across this?

    The OH buys the stuff, so I don't know if a deposit was charged. And she certainly won't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    If you still have the bottle you can check the barcode on the checker to see if it is included in the scheme.

    https://re-turn.shanehastings.ie/

    Shout out to Shane for his ingenuity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭I told ya


    Thanks for the link. And yes it is part of the scheme.

    Me thinks it's time to start the revolution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 poop emoji


    Make sure to put the bottle the correct way around, it’s not smart enough to read barcodes upside down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,128 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Just to be doubly sure, run it through the official Barcode Checker on the Re-Turn site.

    https://re-turn.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Wayne Gorsky


    yeah, I too wonder, also wonder whether some shops might sabotage those machines deliberately, the things must be a nuisance to them anyway…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Unlikely they'd deliberately sabotage the machines.

    They have paid for them and the only way they can recover the investment is by keeping them working.

    Also if customers continually find the machines out of order they might decide to shop elsewhere in a store where the machines work.

    Having said that a few posters have claimed that some shop workers don't like the machines so you couldn't rule out staff not being as rigourous as they need to be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,277 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, I don't know about sabotage. But I'd be willing to bet good money that there's been many a false 'Out of Order' notice put up because they're sick to death of the bloody things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Wayne Gorsky




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭RayCon


    My experience with this scheme after almost a year of operation.

    Local Supervalu. Two Machines are outside the shop, which I prefer as it saves you carrying a bag of empties into a shop only to find the machine is out of order. Operational about 70% of the time, machine loading is fairly quick, don't have to re-feed the empty too regularly.

    Local Lidl. Two Machines are in the lobby of the shop so not bad as you don't have to go completely into the shop. Operational about 50% of the time, machine loading is quickish, don't have to re-feed the item too regularly.

    Local Aldi. One Machine, inside the shop. Pain in the arse. Operational about 70% of the time - loading is extremely slow and frustrating - almost every second item has to be reloaded.

    Local Tesco. Two Machines inside the shop. Operational about 90% of the time, machine loading quickest I've experienced, very little re-feeding necessary, however I hate Tesco - only go there when I absolutely have to.

    I've a pain in my hoop with this scheme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The Claire Byrne Show on RTE Radio 1 is doing an item about DRS this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,128 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,827 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I stopped at the bare faced lie of

    "50% reduction in litter, so we are cleaning up Ireland".

    Unchallenged of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,128 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    An Taisce are also telling that "lie", about the containers in the scheme. And claiming it was measured by surveys and monitoring. Where are you getting your information from??

    https://www.antaisce.org/news/nationwide-litter-levels-static-despite-success-of-deposit-return-scheme#:~:text=The%20survey%20also%20revealed%20a,Scheme%20was%20introduced%20last%20year.

    The survey also revealed a near-50% fall in the prevalence of plastic bottles and cans in the 500+ sites monitored since the Deposit Return Scheme was introduced last year.

    “We are definitely seeing cans and bottles disappear from our streets, which is very welcome – not only are they unsightly, but the bottles contribute to the very real problem of plastic pollution. However, it is clear from our survey that people continue to discard a wide range of litter types with flagrant disregard for their surroundings,” says Conor Horgan. Sweet wrappers and fast-food wrappers were the most common litter types, ahead of plastic bags and coffee cups, which were present in over 20% of sites. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,827 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The clue is in the literal headline of the article you are referencing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭jj880


    A lot of half promises and maybes there. Hes still at his nonsense of "if people dont want their money back". Ffs give over.

    Complete spoof about litter reduction. Apparently when people know there are no bottles and cans in bins they wont dump them out scavenging for them. Super stuff. Never explained how someone is supposed to see into bins though. Not queried by interviewer.

    Parts of that interview were positive but there is still a long way to go on transparency. Still no figure for how much of our money is in the Re-Turn coffers in non refunded deposits and the plans for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,295 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is a very strange location that has a barbers in walking distance but not a recycle machine. Very strange.

    You could always stop off beside the pub and return them for some drinking money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,128 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I'm not looking for clues. The information you called a lie is literally written down in the article.

    The survey also revealed a near-50% fall in the prevalence of plastic bottles and cans in the 500+ sites monitored since the Deposit Return Scheme was introduced last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭jj880


    Thats not what Foley said in the interview. He said:

    "50% reduction in litter. We're cleaning up Ireland".

    Not the same as plastic bottles and cans. So according to your article that you linked what he said is a lie:

    Newest survey shows nationwide litter levels static despite success of Deposit Return Scheme

    You're pointing him out as a liar yourself.

    In fact if bottles and cans are down 50% and overall litter levels are static it could be argued that the type of litter around the country now is dirtier than it was pre DRS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    It is a very strange location that has a barbers in walking distance but not a recycle machine. Very strange.

    There are villages all over ireland that have a barbers and/or a hairdressers but not a supermarket. Maybe take a trip outside of Blanchardstown before you start giving advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭JayBee66


    I don't see any reduction in littering. I see just as many cans and plastic bottles as before and Re-Turn does nothing for other forms of packaging.

    The rich kids throwing stuff into the hedges from their cars around here probably put so much money up their noses at the weekend that 15c is nothing to them. The extra cost of their caffeine boost was no more noticeable than a yearly inflationary rise.

    I think some people make it a matter of honour to throw 15c out of their car windows. You could probably put a €1 deposit on a can of Red Bull and they'd still buy it and chuck the can afterwards.

    Still, it has incentivised me to exercise more. I can fill a plastic bag on a single 30 minute walk. €10 off my supermarket shop, every week!

    By the way, I live in rural Ireland. I struggle to find anything in the nearest city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,827 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,947 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Panda increasing bin charges as they aren’t making money anymore from recycling plastic.


    So once again people are punished for doing what we were told is a great initiative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    "Thats got noting to do with return" - will be the response here from the usual suspects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Think irelands more littered than ever. Especially the countryside



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,827 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    And that's a problem.

    Ray who sounds like he has about as much enthusiasm for the scheme as I do for women's cricket is allowed go on a national broadcaster and tell blatant lies.

    When people hear, well 'we have halved the litter problem we are cleaning up Ireland' and that goes unchallenged they take it at face value for a time.

    There is a lot of vested interests in this scam, no more so than the Councils and LA's who are using it to further dissolve themselves from litter collection and management.

    Now revert back when the national campaign was in full swing trying to sell the scam and when it was pointed out to the vast vast majority of these items are offered for recycling in the home, it pivoted it to an on the on the go litter collection scheme, we were told all sorts of horror stories of how bottles and cans makes up a massive portion of litter and this will cure it.

    There was figures produced from the last time this scheme was being pushed that bottles and cans make up at best 3% of litter.

    Turns out it isn't even that high.

    Hilariously but predictably this scheme could see the litter problem worsen. Also pointed out at the time.

    But but but clap harder we are helping the environment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Mannix Flynn on with Pat Kenny yesterday said he has seen people ripping open plastic bags on the street and collecting any intact cans or bottles found in the bags. Unsurprisingly, they don't then sweep up the mess they have left behind they just let it blow around.

    "But it works in other countries". Maybe it was underestimated how cunning Irish people are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Fletwick


    I've finally made the call on it. I can't be arsed amassing countless cans to bring them to the ridiculous machines. They're going in the bin from now on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,442 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Re-Scam thanks you for your money. This is the intention I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Fletwick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,442 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Tbh, I'd like to be the same and just give up at this stage, but considering I go through 4-8 cans a day I'd be throwing away quite a lot. Once I can get rid of this habit and find an alternative that isn't in cans/bottles, I'll be done with the scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Ripping open bags and throwing litter about isn't cunning, it's cun something with a tish at the end, not cunning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭jj880


    Hang on there officer doofy! According to CEO Foley on the radio you're obviously some kind of imbecile who "doesnt want your money back".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,827 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Speaking of which. They announced with great fan fare that 900 million bottles and cans had been returned.

    But no details on the amount of product eligible for the scheme that had been put on the market in the same time frame.

    Given the producer pays them either 15 or 25 cent for each item that is put into circulation these figures should be easily and readily available.

    They just need to look at how many millions they have on deposit and reverse engineer to get a pretty accurate estimate.

    Every 100 million products is roughly 20 million Euro taking 20 cent as the average.

    So if they have 100 million on deposit that means (roughly) 1.4 billion eligible products were placed on the market, plus whatever on existing stock.

    Again though these figures should be readily available, or am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    Definitely hasn't made an impact in rural areas esp along busy roads which would be too dangerous for people to go out walking on. Urban a but cleaner as there are some people who will pick up items out walking. This seems to be the case in my locality anyways. I noticed the snow week seems to have been a good week for flytipping by a minority



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Hassle having to manually enter a barcode. I've had it reject barcodes, only for the machine accept them. And had it accept barcodes, only to have the machine reject them.

    I've currently have a good system to have everything accepted, even cans that don't have a deposit charged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Fletwick




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭jj880


    You have to laugh. The CEO of our national DRS stating that anyone who doesn't engage with Re-Turn "doesn't want their money back". Its farcical. Any decent interviewer would have pulled him on it and half a dozen other examples of BS. These sweetheart interviews are little more than Re-Turn promo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,953 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah, he's right, it's 15c for most products, had a heavy few over christmas, made a little over €8 back when I brought them to the machine at the start of January from a shop that set me back over €200

    Honestly I perfectly understand those that don't want the deposits back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭jj880


    You perfectly understand nothing.

    People dont want to engage with this DRS.

    Thats not the same as:

    those that dont want the deposits back

    Deary me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I would like my deposit back, but after hiking to the nearest RVM, I get a voucher for 60c, what am I meant to do with it? Buy 30 penny sweets? I'd have to put more money with it to buy something I might actually use, ultimately costing me more money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,570 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Fíorscéal on TG4 had an interesting programme on the plastics industry earlier. Worth watching. It's probably on the Player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,945 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    My mate saves his empties and at the end of the month throws them in at his local SuperValu.

    Takes the money and throws it on a gift card. At Christmas he had just under €150 on it. Was happy enough as it more or less covered his Christmas shop.

    Think I'll do the same thing year.

    Saw a girl on Instagram who walks her dogs in the country. She reckons she'll easily gather enough empties to pay for some if not all of her car insurance for the year!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,162 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    So every month your friend gets about 12 euros back in deposits?

    He goes through 83 empties a month?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,817 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I've always maintained that the DRS(Deposit Return Scam) is a pain in the h01€. I was in Aldi, returned some empties but forgot to use the DRS receipt at the tills. So I went into my local Aldi last night and tried to use it, but was told no, I can't use it. That I have to return to the original store to use it.

    I said to the guy at the till that it's a DRS receipt from Aldi, that's insane. He agreed with me, said it's an ongoing issue and hopefully there will be a fix at some point next month. The original store is miles away in the next county. Couldn't tell you when I'll be back that way. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,128 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    People shouldn't be discouraged by seeing deposit containers discarded. Think of the probably one billion which have come back even at this early stage in our scheme. In Germany with a 98% return rate, there are still enough for pickers to earn some money.

    Research internationally has shown that countries with no DRS schemes have much higher rates of can and bottle littering. For example Spain's beaches have 13 times more that Germany per kilometre surveyed. (2014).

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-just-do-it-without-thinking-now-irish-man-living-in-germany-on-their-deposit-return-scheme/a495916353.html

    "It’s a source of income, so you will see homeless people looking through rubbish bins in public places or asking people on public transport for their empties,” Dr Walsh added. “There are different opinions about that and whether it’s something that should be encouraged, but there is an acceptance of it. “You see signs asking people to leave their bottles beside the bin so that a homeless person can take them. That’s what a lot of people do when they are on the move and don’t want to carry a bottle around with them.”

    Meanwhile in the UK, they may be catching up, but there have been many delays in the past. They will use the same not for profit, polluter pays system pertaining elsewhere.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-clean-up-communities-with-deposit-return-scheme-for-plastic-bottles-and-cans

    Northern Ireland’s Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs Minister Andrew Muir said:

    I have ambitious goals to protect our climate, drive green growth and reduce unnecessary waste. The creation of a Deposit Return Scheme plays a key part in delivering those goals.   

    The introduction of the new parliamentary regulations is a significant step in that process and signals our commitment to move forward together to make those ambitions a reality.

    New legislation for England and Northern Ireland has now come into force, enabling the appointment of the scheme administrator – known as the Deposit Management Organisation – in April 2025. This will be a not-for-profit, industry-led body responsible for the administration and day-to-day running of the scheme.    



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,570 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    That's easily done in fairness. I average four cans a night plus a couple of bottles of water every day.



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