There have been several conversations here about the bin companies.
I think you are referring to when someone suggested that the bin companies should get statistics from Re-turn.
I pointed out that the bin companies would have their own figures for the amount collected before and after DRS introduction.
Hardly a hugely supportive intervention in favour of Re-turn.
I have noticed that some machines are more temperamental than others.
A quick check of the containers at home helps to avoid problems at the machine.
No that's bullsh1t.
You don't go through all the containers at home manipulating them trying to second guess what issue the machine you decide to go to might have today.
That's being plain silly.
I'd an issue with perfect bulmers cans recently. I found I had to kink them to get the machine to scan them.
Please yourself.
I was down in the south last weekend, and did a free shop at Dunnes having cashed in about 30 euro of cans and plastic bought in France and the north over the last couple of months. Thanks Return 🤣
not enough room in there with all dem wasps
Nice one.Very very niceeee
Was in the city centre yesterday and brought a couple of bottles back to a supervalu and there was a person in front with a couple of bags, they had to stop every time they reached €10 and print the ticket and then continue. First time I seen that.
The most frustrating thing is putting in a bottle or can and machine rejects it, then you put in again facing a different way and it gets accepted. This is when there is nothing on barcode stopping it from being read. Such a pain.
I meant to post yesterday that it's a new day, but it's the same old $h1++¥ banjaxed DRS machine.
I had a check before I left, and almost as usual it wasn't working. I was in there the day before, but was in such a rush, I never thought to check. I'll be in there later and must remember to check it.
So at least 1 in 4 items not going through the DRS…
So Re-turn want years of that, pocketing the deposits, not asking questions as to why 25% - 33% of items not being returned. Zero regard for flaky machines, for people who get deliveries.
The gombeens continue to gombeen.
I'ts the signe of a con.People get frustrated with the machines and dump the can/bottle into the trash chute.Another 15/25c for the return company.
That headline is framed like its a bad thing, but if 1 in 4 is not being recycled through the scheme, then 3 out 4 are, which is 75%. Then add in people who are still recycling through their green bin at home, then you are looking at ~80% recycled which is above the targets.
I predict that "bad news" is the precursor to an increase in the deposit.
Do the items in the green bin count towards the required EU target i.e. non Return recycling? When I looked into it before, it didn't seem to count.
Yes I think the media are beginning to question where the large amount of unclaimed money is resting.
Short answer: I don't know. I would imagine they must do, otherwise all the countries without a DRS, would have a score of 0.
Remember, the EU did not direct Ireland to implement a DRS. They are directing a recycling rate of x - how each country does it is up to them. It's our own government who decided the easiest way to do it was put it in the hands of a private company.
How Does this work? Is there no tax on cans/plastic there? And if not how does the machine accept it without the Return logo? Just curious.
We have no idea what the stats actually are. There's a lot of fluffy wording in that piece
Even if Re-Scam spend all the unclaimed deposits on "recycling initiatives", that leaves a hefty amount of interest to spend.
Some cans sold in other jurisdictions have the Re-turn logo and barcode.
I presume this is because they are produced on the same line as ROI stock and they are just sold wherever the producer wants to sell them.
We recycled 79% of cans already in 2019, without any deposit scheme. (source: Aluminium Packaging Recycling Organisation Ireland)
The problem is that these cans went to the bin companies, then the drinks companies and their canners had to buy the aluminium from them at market rates. The DRS scheme was setup specifically so that drinks industry control aluminium collection and recycling. Drinks and can companies are the ones running the scheme.
When you buy a can of coke, you pay for the drink and the container, both are included in the price. You own the container, you paid for it. This scheme compels you to give your paid-for property away for free to the companies who sold it to you, so they can sell it back to you all over again. It's a money-making scam, disguised as environmentalism and forced on us by the government.
No DRS in France, most communes have public recycling centres where you drop off your cans, bottles etc. It was wonderful going to the local Carrefour this summer, being able to buy cans of beer for less than one euro and then bring the cans/bottles etc to the local centre without any fuss. Interesting read below on the plans the EU have for DRS:
https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20240318-activists-say-eu-s-proposed-deposit-refund-schemes-are-false-solution-to-plastic-pollution
These are calculations made by a RTE journalist. Nothing to do with Re-Turn, other than using their monthly return numbers. They have made it clear that it will take a year to come up with any useful sales v returns data. But he did get a representative from the Retailers to make a guess that things will continue on the up and up. Which the raw return numbers probably indicates anyway. But impossible to know without the actual sales figures. The last time he had a go at this in May, at least he had the good grace to point out the obvious.
- "Given the open-ended nature of Re-Turn’s liability to redeem deposits, a return rate calculated over a short period will not yield good information as to the scheme’s performance."
https://www.rte.ie/author/968575-padraic-geoghegan/
Some of the tins, like the Warseteiner bought in france, and the Brewdog ones I got in the north have loads of different countries logos on them - mainly from Scandinavian countries - but it's clear that these smaller brewers are probably not doing it at sufficient scale to produce separately for different markets. Same with things like M&S own brand stuff - e.g. tonic water - their Irish sales are very small in comparison to GB so just stick the logo on everything. Other items like fever tree tonic water tins have the return logo stuck on in the south, but the tins from the north went in just as well. Then I do plastic picking from the beach, and some of the discarded stuff there has the logo - whether it was bought in the south or not, who knows… I would normally put it in my blue bin, but instead it's gone in the pile to take south next time I'm there for work or visiting relatives etc.
It'll probably get more complicated when and if NI and GB get DRS.
In the meantime make hay while the sun shines 🌞.
I like that word "resting" There is a lot of money "resting" in Ireland and most of it belongs to the taxpayers not the politicos and their quangos
I haven't returned anything. I don't drive and I'm not lugging bags of cans and bottles with me on my way walk to the supermarket.
They go into the green bin where they always have.
In case you are not doing so already, put your bottles and cans loose in the green bin. Everything should be loose. But since DRS the bin workers are looking out for bags of cans and bottles. Your residence would be identified as an easy mark, if you are putting them into bags. If you have no objection the them getting your money, put the bag on top of the rest of your waste. If you don't want them to have your money, make sure to crush them well.
Rinse any food or liquid from your packaging in the kitchen and let them dry, empty and close any bottles from liquids used around the home, separate items and place them loosely in the bin."
The poster is doing as they have always done - where's the issue with this?
Yeah recycling goes in lose. However if they weren't what's the issue if workers take them. They're welcome to them?
