Badly need a new Political Party

Ben D Bus

[QUOTE]Imagine a party with the exact policies of Sinn Fein[/QUOTE]

Would that be last weeks policies, this weeks, or next weeks?

Populists don't really have policies. Other than a UI in the case of SF, and even that's not at the forefront of what you hear from them on either side of the border.

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926298#Comment_121926298

AI will never be good enough to analyse data. It doesnt have the human function. AI is only as good as the data you give it. But it will always show prejudice because data is never "raw". For example if we tried to give an AI all the data we would try to make it not racist, not sexist, not biggoted. But that would prejudice the data. Fact is that women have better attention spans than men. Men are stronger than women. On average of course. So using AI would either make everything sexist or we would try to ignore that staff and end up with the wrong outcomes. Therefore Generative AI will never work without human oversight.

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926610#Comment_121926610

As I said. I am not pro SF.

My medical policies would of course work. You dont think cardiac units in regions are useful? Its insane to put the national maternity hospital in Dublin and expect that the whole country goes there. The Childrens hospital could have funded 5 childrens hospitals around the country.

These are my views and how I determine if a candidate matches some or any of them.

The only politics advice I would give to anyone is to do similar. Write out your own views and what you would like to see. Thats how everyone should pick who they vote for

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926541#Comment_121926541

Removal of property tax is a huge tax break for the rich and will end up killing the majority of county council in Ireland who are already cash strapped. Which in turn means everyone will not get the services they need.

"Rich tax" 😂

Someone on 200k a year is paying close to 100k a year tax. How much more tax do you want them to pay?

As pointed out above a hospital in each county would be impossible and the short resources available already would be spread so think we would end up with more issues than less. Life expectancy in Ireland is increasing, with that one change it would go the opposite direction.

A public funded construction company has been discussed in massive detail alreayd n thread, the opinion of the majoirty is that it would slow down construction and would also increase the price as the government would have to outbid private companies for the limited people we have in the industry, plus giving them government contracts with government pensions etc would increase house prices now.

Majority of these policies are nonsense and would send Ireland back 30 years

They boil down to what I see a lot, can everyone else not pay more tax and I can pay less.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926590#Comment_121926590

In general there is very few politicians with a spark/exuberance about them AND can be taken seriously. Basically the arse falling out of labour has created this vacuum that SF partly filled, with the rest made up of PBP and independents.

I think the left in Ireland are a bit directionless, they don't want to be too centrist because they would be seen as similar to "the establishment" in other words FF/FG one or both of whom always form a government. Joan Burton was painted as 'the establishment' after the water charges protests etc. But if they go too left they would be viewed as too lefty too radical, and not dependable.

If you look at Ivan Bacik she sums up the problem, a well meaning lady. But she does not come across as "a woman of the people". Most of the things she speaks about are vague "touchy feely" subjects, in the hope of soft votes. No real policies where you can say, yes that is what makes Labour different from the rest.

These days any one with youthful exuberance with left leanings is more likely to go for a career in I.T. than a career in Dail Eireann. It could be 25 years before there is a solid centre-left party in Ireland to challenge the status quo.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926651#Comment_121926651

Are you an emergency medicine consultant, or just declaring that you know better than them?

There are three maternity hospitals in Dublin alone, and will continue to be; alongside plenty of others - the NMH is just a name.

Five smaller childrens hospitals spread around the place would mean children with need of multi-speciality care would die.

You are going to vote for a delusional populist if you think these are sensible policies. SF do a good like in delusional populism as it is...

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926651#Comment_121926651

Should we decide national hospital policies based on your gut instinct, or based on the careful analysis of what actually works here and elsewhere?

The most basic flaw in your proposals is that the medics in your local hospitals won't get enough cases to allow them to specialise. They will be generalists, like your GP, and will not have the skills and experience to deal with challenging cases.

Seriously, would you do a little bit of research on your policies before you convince yourself of your rightness.

Redliketoast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926682#Comment_121926682

100% my gut instinct of course

Wow people get personal in here 😂 My views are purely my views. Zero righteousness.

Also people are way too focused on my mention of SF in the OP. Which usually means they like to vote for FG.

What about what we are doing here is working in healthcare? Careful analyses has decided that we build the most expensive hospital on the planet in Dublin without a suitable helipad.

We could have built the NCH in Portlaois for example which would have been cheaper land wise and more accessible to everyone. The 5 hospitals for the same cost remark was showing how expensive this has been. A point you have not been able to see.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926774#Comment_121926774

You are the one who said you wanted a party that was SF without the baggage, so of course that's the core focus. SF are a populist party with weak, unimplementable policies and who don't even do the same things they say they'll do down here when actually in Government across the border - so presumably that's what you want.

Its hard to see past the direct intent of "5 hospitals" when the person posting it had just proposed opening tens of full service hospitals based on gut instinct but entirely against any sensible medical policies.

The NCH is going to have a helipad. It wouldn't handle the Coastguard S92s; but they're being replaced by June 2025 anyway - and can't land on any elevated helipads.

It can handle the actual Air Ambulance helicopters; and the new Coastguard AW189s are more capable of small landing zones like elevated helipads.

Also, the NCH needs to be beside a full service adult hospital for access to skilled specialists. Portlaoise hasn't got one of those.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926774#Comment_121926774

This is very basic stuff. The key requirement for the NCH was colocation with an advanced adult hospital, so that expert consultants are available on site as required. It's not about the M50 or the M7 or the car park. It's about the best clinical outcomes. The decision on locating the hospital was made by the Dolphin group of expert medics, construction professionals, and health service leads, many of them international experts. Do you know something about siting of a hospital that they missed?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926774#Comment_121926774

You made the thread about Sinn Fein, telling everyone how great they are and masking excuses the only reason people are not voting for them is because of their history. Complaining now is a bit late

Why would we build the NCH in Portlaoise? maybe you can explain that decision because "cheap land" is not really a good reason to build a hospital.

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926198#Comment_121926198

If the PDs came back I'd vote for them in an instant.

spuddy

The issue isn't with the political parties, it's with the planning. We can't expect politicians to think anything other than short term, because that's the election cycle. The problems the country faces are long term. We need to start directing our attention towards the civil service, the people who actually run the country, the people who are supposed to plan for the long term. The party I want to see in power is the one which stops pretending it's running the country, and starts holding those who are actually in charge to account.

jmayo

The last thing this country needs is another socially left leaning party.

It is that type of crapology that gave us two wasteful unneeded referendums.

Hotblack Desiato

Its insane to put the national maternity hospital in Dublin and expect that the whole country goes there.

Did I really read that?!?

scheister

This is something I have been thinking for a while.

Renua and Soc Dem were the two newest parties from a mainstream view. Renua have gone so far right at this stage they will likely fall off the edge. Soc Dem went left which is always a crowded place in Ireland and hard to show how you are different.

I think for any new party to last they need to be a fiscally responsible progressive centre party. By centre i am looking at a group that may go left today and right tomorrow depending on the issue and not a party that will sit on the fence for fear of offending anyone.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926651#Comment_121926651

Aren't SF mainly of the "Cuba has the best health system in the world" types? I wouldn't let them near a box of plasters.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926682#Comment_121926682

Could not agree more!

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927334#Comment_121927334

To give a view of SF health plans.

First off they have said they will hire loads of new consultants, when asked how they would get these consultants they had no idea. Plus when it was pointed out the new "tax the rich" policy SF have would mean even a starting out consultant would be hit meaning they would even have less take home pay than now they had no answer to that

So seemingly SF will hire more consultants than ever and pay them less than before. When questioned in more detail Cullihane ran for the hills as he had no answers.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927354#Comment_121927354

So, Santa politics.

Montage of Feck

We already have it it's called Fianna Fail!

Rubberchikken

It isn't possible.

I'm way too cynical to believe anything or anyone can change the way things are nowadays.

Maybe Mary Lou and her elk are great talkers. Have all the right answers. Say what they know the public want to hear. But the other party members are the same.

Some will always be better than others are articulating their point and capable of have some believe their spiel.

Maybe the majority go into politics with a good heart and good intentions.

But I'm convinced that's broken down and destroyed by the creeping malaise that exists in the senior civil servants and the greed that comes to people who are able to draw a very good salary and spend time talking shite in the dail and fiddling the tax payer as many have been shown to do.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058342951/badly-need-a-new-political-party

What holds them back a lot more is the fact that their policies are identical (or worse) to current government on the biggest issues like immigration.Their housing ideas are pie in the sky unworkable soundbites.The hate speech nonsense is also supported by them.They will be the end of FDI which props up the country.They don't come across as smart and seem particularly unpleasant and not likeable as people.

Oh,and the whole IRA thing.

JPCN1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927424#Comment_121927424

Very nicely put.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927424#Comment_121927424

Words can't do this justice so will use an image instead

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927424#Comment_121927424

Excellent summary.

There is literally nothing positive that SF would bring to the country, if you have a job and earn an average salary, or have children that hope to earn an average salary.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927389#Comment_121927389

How is Mary Lou a great talker?

Harris is far from perfect, but watch him embarrass her in the Dail.

Way more articulate and much faster on his feet.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927513#Comment_121927513

If you think she is bad then not sure what you would say about the rest of the party

The permanent outraged Pearse Doherty show got boring after a week, at this stage he has spent 4 years doing the skit and not sure how even Sinn Fein supporters can listen to it anymore.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121926654#Comment_121926654

88k, not 100k

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121927524#Comment_121927524

Still a fair rake of tax.

How many SF supporters tax take does that cover?