How do you emigrate

Airyfairy12

I want to emigrate this year but havnt a notion about how to do it, where to start or any idea of where would be the best place to move too. Im mid 30's, I have an undergrad, a hdip and a masters, ive 10 years professional working experience in various different areas, no savings and dont speak any languages besides English. I want to move to an English speaking country but not anywhere in the UK. Any suggestions or advice?

suvigirl

Decide where you want to go.

Then find out the visa requirements for that country.

Then apply for that visa.

Donald Trump

There are two main options commonly used

1) airplane

2) Boat

with the former being more utilised in the modern era. One would generally need to choose a mode of transport and then purchase a ticket for said mode of transport. It is usually more economical to do it this way than by either buying your own plane or boat.

cnocbui

NZ and Australia would be a couple of candidates to look at, as well as Canada. One of the best approaches is to apply for a job in your target country and then move if you win a position, as employers often have some influence in assisting with visas.

Montage of Feck

Flush your passport down the jacks and tell the fellow in the passport control booth some lad on boards.ie said something disparaging about ya!

Fr Tod Umptious

Three obvious places for you

Australia

New Zealand

Canada.

Find out the various visa requirements for each and start applying to the one you think you would like best.

For educated, experienced English speaking people they are easy to get visas for.

If you want something closer or a bit less Anglo centric try Germany or The Netherlands or the Nordics, you could start off with just English and then make a good effort to learn the language quickly. Plus you don't need a visa.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810477#Comment_121810477

I think the three you listed would require savings as evidence you won’t be a burden to the state or be homeless etc.

best bet is prob Europe somewhere tbh a friend of mine got a job with some German crowd in i think data processing and they paid for him to move and sorted him an apartment etc.

con747

Get on a bus to Leitrim.

corner of hells

Have you thought about the French Foreign Legion , they tend to travel around a bit or as the other lad said , Leitrim.

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810382#Comment_121810382

i honestly cant understand why the OP didnt just do what you suggested rather than asking the question on here

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337677/how-do-you-emigrate

Well you need to start saving because moving to another country is going to cost money - travel, deposits, furniture and the time spent job searching all require cash.

You also need to figure out what skills you have that might be in demand else where, if your qualifications are recognized, what the visa and resident requirements are and so on. The UK plus the EEA are the only places you have a legal right to move to. Everywhere else you need to check what the rules for permanent residency are not just the temp visas of which there are many.

MacDanger

Look at Scandinavia or the Netherlands I'd say

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810513#Comment_121810513

Pretty much this…. It’s easy get temp and limited visas of various types, but when you are a bit older and don’t have high in demand skills it can be difficult as they are more concerned that you might become a burden on the state and will look a lot closer at you.

Mrs OBumble

English speaking but not the UK - I think that leaves you with Malta. Unless you're under 35 and can get a working holiday via in Oz/NZ.

(I'm assuming that if you have skills which would let you get a working visa somewhere, you'd already know about the options for it. )

Effectively I emigrated in my late 30's (though I didn't plan to at the time). I don't recommend it. In the next 10 years, you should be at your career peak. Changing countries takes you back to having few contacts and having to take worse jobs than you are skilled for. It also messes up you pension and welfare contributions.

handlemaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337677/how-do-you-emigrate

This has to be a joke !

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337677/how-do-you-emigrate

As Ireland is an island, I made the assumption it is Ireland you want to leave, well it’s plane ✈️ or boat ⛴️

standard practise it to book either via the web, this can be found easily via a google search and the options for both boat 🛥️ and airplane ✈️ are multiple so I won’t list out.

in terms of countries you could then google “countries that speak English”

Or tell you what, just book a week in Lanzarote to turn that frown upside down 🙃 I have come to the assumption of you don’t even know countries that speak English then no chance you will be going anywhere far

pgj2015

get one of these first and don't buy any magic beans off anyone.

how do you emigrate? an undergrad, a hdip and a masters clearly doesn't teach you much these days. 🤦‍♂️

https://www.agefotostock.com/age/en/details-photo/traveling-stick-bundle-red-0a-0a-0astock-cloth-belongings-bound-habseeligkeiten-possessions-symbol-concept-freedom-travel-desire-departure-emigrating/MB-03766312

RurtBeynolds

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810692#Comment_121810692

Some people are just fuckin clueless, and need their hand held for every decision in life.

_H80_GHT

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810692#Comment_121810692

They're looking to be pandered to. It's probably why they're leaving too. They've worn out their pander limit here so need to go abroad to replenish their pander supply.

I liked to know why they want to emigrate? Career, housing?

Do they mean emigrate or do the just want to go away for a year or two.

Do they not know anyone who has gone to Canada, Australia or New Zealand, friend, wider family someone they went to college with.

No need to apply for visas. Destroy your passport mid flight and claim asylum on arrival.

Airyfairy12

Thanks everyone, i know some said I shouldnt but tbh im mid 30's earn crap wages despite working so hard and having experience and qualifications coming out my ears, yet I still ilve with my parents and have no hope of ever buying a house, I gave it a really good go but there's no future here for me. Ive two friends who are on social welfare living in new build 3 - 5 bed & two bathroom houses. I live in a box room of my parents house with all my belonging, theres hardly enough space for the bed and wardrobe. I will be living like this into my 40's and beyond if I dont do something. Ireland doesnt want me, my qualifications or my work ethic so ill go somewhere that does.

I understand i need to get a visa and some mode of transport to get to another country but generally, what kind of savings are you required to have? Is 5k enough? Can you apply for jobs without having a visa in place? I know some one said that having an employer in another country will help to get a visa, do that commonly happen? Ive heard of people going to Australia for example to work as a teacher, while waiting for their aus equivalent of a teachers registration before they could apply for teaching jobs, they really struggled to get other work in cafes etc to keep themselves afloat.. it just made it sound like it was very easy to get a visa, on the other hand I know one or two people who couldnt get a visa at all..

How do you find accomodation without living somewhere or do you just live out of hostels until you find a permanent place? It seems a bit confusing.

I know lots of Irish go to Australia or NZ but tbh, im not sure I could stick the muggy heat! I love somewhere like san francisco or new york but im likely well priced out of America. Someone mentioned Malta which I hadnt thought about so will look into that too.

Airyfairy12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811075#Comment_121811075

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810982#Comment_121810982

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810692#Comment_121810692

Did you know you can just ignore things on the internet that you dont like or dont agree with? You should try it!

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811901#Comment_121811901

The heat in Australia is mostly dry, not muggy. Australia includes Tasmania which has another climate altogether.

Employer sponsored visas: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/employing-and-sponsoring-someone/sponsoring-workers/learn-about-sponsoring/visa-options

I gave you a hint and it shouldn't have taken you more than 15 seconds to find that info off your own bat.

Unfortunately your timing is a bit off as employment has gotten soft in Australia and many other places. The games industry is in complete free fall, for instance, an industry that had a higher level of sales than the movie industry.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811468#Comment_121811468

does every country give free houses to economic migrants like we do here?

YellowLead

I’d say if you struggle finding a job in Ireland, you might struggle elsewhere too as it’s still a job seekers market here. However, the depends on what skills you have. Skills most in demand are IT/date, engineering, life sciences etc.

There are plenty of admin jobs going that you won’t need too much to get - work hard and you can advance. I’m not sure what your experience was in before the hdip, but if you want a change from that start at the bottom might be the way, though it won’t be completely entry level. European Union have lots of jobs across Europe and hire people from all over.

Or just google jobs in Europe for a flavour of what’s available generally :

https://europa.eu/eures/portal/jv-se/home?lang=en

I thought teachers were in demand in Ireland? I know the pay is crap, but you don’t have to live in Dublin or any city so it balances out as rent is cheap in places like Roscommon etc. And you can work in a cafe/pub during the summer months to earn more.

I wouldn’t say the US is an option at all, employers will only sponsor very skilled workers that they can’t find over there. Canada might be an option though - they are encouraging of immigration.

Houses are very expensive in Australian cities as is rent. It’s a bit far to go if you’re not sure you can get a job. I’d be sticking with Europe if I were you. The nordics, Netherlands and Germany have lots of international companies where English is the language.

A change of scene could be just what you need - but you might need to lower expectations about the kind of job you can get at first.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811901#Comment_121811901

You didn't give it a really good go if you arrived at your age with no savings. What did you do with your money?

to be fair OP, at some point it might be worth asking is it Ireland that’s let you down or is it yourself that’s let you down.

I’ve been a chef for 3 years for example and in my time have surpassed even those who started as commis before me.

I know lads who were working commis since 5 years and counting. I’ve put in the work and managed to get to chef de partie in no length.

I’ve worked with and for award winning chefs and helped my last place win a restaurant award as well!

Ireland has opportunity if you’re willing to put the work in and set yourself apart from everyone else.

no savings and living with folks at 30 odd doesn’t sound to me like someone who’s worked their arse off as you claim.

Just my opinion anyway.

Idbatterim

Op is her her mid thirties. Also you lose half your salary in income tax over 40k here, which is nothing. What area do you work in OP?... the free houses your mates have, that's why even the working poor here are hit with an outrageous rate of marginal tax on a poor income...

thereiver

Australia has a housing crisis house prices are as high as Ireland you ll be paying high rent if you can find a flat .

It takes 20 hours plus to fly to Australia

I can't think of any English speaking country where house prices are low this is an international trend Gen z pay high rents and require help from parents to buy a house and it's very hard for a single person to buy a house

if you can work at home online you can buy a house cheap in rural areas

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812177#Comment_121812177

That is not the way PAYE is calculated. And the effective tax rate is what counts.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money-and-tax/tax/income-tax/how-your-tax-is-calculated/#:~:text=The%20percentage%20that%20you%20pay,rate%20of%20tax%2C%2040%25.

https://www.socialjustice.ie/article/effective-income-tax-rates-after-budget-2024

Geuze

Marginal income tax rates matter.

People know them, and use them in decisions whether to work more or not.

The 48.5% marginal income tax rate on any income over 40k in 2023 is bonkers crazy.

Of the 3 people I am related to that did it.

One went to the UK as they had no job here because of the downturn, they worked for an agency that supplied catering workers got work most days but some days no work it involved going anywhere in the city they were in, not London, they had to figure out public transport and getting home late at night in a strange city by themselves, they lived with a couple, one half which did not want them there, worked out long them and they now have an excellent career, it took a good few years of living a Pennys lifestyle and a few promotions to get there though.

The other went to NZ on a two-year visa did agency work, lived in a hostel for a while, got residency, and got a job then her sister came over and did the same, one visited us last summer with her family, she hasn't a hope of buying a property where she lives in NZ despite having a good job, she is 50/50 about coming home for a while because as she has residency she can go back, she is in her mid-30s, also said it was hard going to get established in NZ.

Anyone I know that went anywhere did agency work first off even back to going to London in the early 80s lived on very little.

Idbatterim

Listen. You're taxed a fortune over a pittance... that's it. I'm not bothered listening to some ffg apologist... the top rate of tax in many other countries, doesn't pay until you earn 200-250k. In Ireland, its 40k, I.e nothing

OP what do you think will be different about living somewhere else?

It is good to work things out on your own and not always have a room with your parents to fall back on because when you have no choice but to stand on your own two feet and no fallback positions you will make different choices of the young people I mentioned one had to wait until her mid-twenties to afford a visit to the hairdresser. was cut-price haircuts at a student place and a friend doing her highlights before that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812105#Comment_121812105

I thought teachers were in demand in Ireland? I know the pay is crap

Any sources to substantiate this claim?

Teachers have above average graduate starting salaries and at the top of their scale will spend the majority of their career easily inside the top 20% of income earners in Ireland.

On top of that, there is scope for additional income given their long holidays and still be left with more holidays than any other sector.

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812527#Comment_121812527

Apologies, I haven’t looked in years, it’s seems they have gotten and are due to get a fair few increases. I guess I was basing it on the whinging they do - it’s quite decent pay for part time work that’s for sure, and OP should have zero difficulty renting a room and saving. I suspect it’s probably hard to get a full role post with the year round salary when you are starting out - but everybody has to start somewhere.

posters have managed to shoehorn on their obsession with public service, taxes, and immigration along with a bit of racism on to the op post while not answering her post. cc

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812804#Comment_121812804

It is after hours 😉

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812804#Comment_121812804

I'm happy to have corrected the OP. They seemed to be under the impression they are badly paid. Maybe my correction has changed their perspective.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812527#Comment_121812527

The scales aren't the problem. Thd issue is how hard it is to get a permanent position.

Frack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811901#Comment_121811901

Just go for it - pick a country in the EU that 1. you would love to live in and 2. is relevant to your work experience and qualifications and just jump ship and take the risk. Worst case scenario is it goes completely tits up but at least you have the option of returning home to your parents if that happens.

I wouldn't rule out the UK lots have made great lives in Glasgow and Edinburgh. Manchester, met new people got out of the rut they were in here.

thereiver

If you get a good job in the UK you may be able to buy a 1bed house , if you get a good job in Australia or Canada to you won't be able to buy a house .it's very expensive to fly to Australia eg you might be able to travel home maybe once a year .theres plenty of Irish people living in UK city's and having a good standard of life .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812177#Comment_121812177

oh please you don’t lose half your income 🤣

taxAHcruel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337677/how-do-you-emigrate

When you say "English speaking country" do you mean that must be their first language - or just a country where English is very commonly spoken?

I only ask because I go to Germany a lot recently. One of my girlfriends got a long time contract there so we have been flying back and forth a lot recently.

And basically English is spoken everywhere I go almost. Small towns and a few obscure locations English has been a problem. But in general I meet people who speak English as well as you could possibly want.

And right now they are paying really high for skilled and educated people. You could do worse than move there I think at the moment. Though their economy is finally going through a little slow down.

I know a boards regular who lives there. So if you want any more information I can tell you who to message for any questions you might have. But every time I go to germany I come back happy and wonder a little why I dont live there myself.

Our phones really are watching us, I answered the question about emigrating and now my social media is trowing up ads:.. Recruitment for teaching in an international school in Zanzibar, teach English in Japan and similar.

SuperBowserWorld

How to emigrate.

Hop on the bus Gus and make a new plan Stan. There's no need to be coy Roy. Just set yourself free.

https://youtu.be/ABXtWqmArUU?feature=shared

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811468#Comment_121811468

Hatred spewing racist scumbags will bring something like this up.

Yes he could do that and just like here, he'd be photographed, fingerprinted and DNA taken and given €38 a week and told to fend for themselves.

Basically treated inhumanly and we should be embarrassed that anyone is treated that way.

d15ude

Maybe the Isle of Man!?

Shauna677

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121810539#Comment_121810539

Or cricklewood

Frankly Im intrigued that a 'highly educated person' in their mid thirties, living in Ireland toda, doesn't know how to emigrate when perhaps no later than 40 years ago, many Irish people left our shores at age 17 or less to distant lands with no more than the clothes on their backs, not alone with any education of sorts.