Brand Loyalty

Tony EH

Some people seem to be confusing the choice between the best product regardless of who makes it and choosing a product based on purely on the brandname.

I have to say I’m very interested to see exactly how Apples tech is “years behind”.

another matter regarding the price of the products but to suggest they are inferior in comparison to the next leading brand* (ew) by *years* is a bit ridiculous.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819157#Comment_121819157

Who told you that? and... out of interest, what brand cars do you buy brand new for cash?

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819151#Comment_121819151

Well, going by what that poster said it's probably to do with Apple's penchant for being unadaptable. I remember the days of Ipods and other MP3 players and the MP3 players, like the ones from Sandisk, were easily the better products simply by virtue of the fact that you could change their firmware easily and port your music simply. With an Ipod you had to use Itunes to load your music and you were restricted to what came with your device in terms of changing how it operated.

I had to use a Macbook for work back in the day too and it was a nightmare. Now the laptop was fine for simple tasks, but when it came to actually working on it, it was a pain. In the job I was in I had to transfer a lot of different types of files around to various stakeholders and these files came from PC users in the main, which could often cause the Macbook to get headaches trying to view them. I ended up bootstrapping a copy of Windows to the Apple machine.

This is all years ago, of course. I've no idea what Apple products are like these days. But I do know that if I want an overpriced toy to surf the web or look at my email, I can get an Apple. If I want to work, I'll get a PC.

Bigmac1euro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819157#Comment_121819157

As someone who worked for 8 years fixing android and Apple phones. I use Apple. I understand they’re locked down quite a bit but then again everything works like it’s supposed to. I’m still constantly having to fix software issues on my dad’s android and his partners android phone. Infuriating operating system in my opinion. Both phones jammed with bloatware and all sorts. I hear the pixel is good. But android lost the race in my opinion many years ago. The OS is just unpredictable at the best of times and that comes with its relaxed rules on what certain apps can and can’t do.

Wanderer2010

Used to be Lucozade but they did something to the flavour or content a few years ago and now it just tastes awful with a really oily aftertaste. It used to be sugar liquid heaven but now it's like they added a tonne of preservatives to satisfy all the people complaining of high sugar.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819273#Comment_121819273

So you don't buy brand new cars for cash?

mrslancaster

Each to their own as they say.

Some people like certain food brands because they've used them for years and like the taste, so a slightly higher cost is not an issue. Some own label products are fine but like other posters, our family prefer the taste of many well known brands that have been sold in irish supermarkets for decades.

No need for some posters to label people morons because of how they choose to spend their family food budget 😏.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819258#Comment_121819258

I think they have just started adding more water (and also the plastic bottles).

It’s not nearly as thick and syrupy as it used to be but the glass bottles still taste much nicer.

It’s 100% just more watered down, like most things now.

Geuze

Butter is a good example.

I know an ex-manager of a butter packing plant. This is from over 10+ years ago, before Kerrygold production was centralised.

Sticks of butter would come down the line, some wrapped in SuperValu packaging, some to be wrapped in Kerrygold wrapper.

Exact same butter, two different wrappers, different marketing, and very different prices.

But the same cows.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820133#Comment_121820133

That sound unlikely from a production, packaging point of view, very impractical. I'd say the ex-manager was pulling your leg.

Schwiiing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820233#Comment_121820233

I worked on a milk packaging line and everything Gueze said rings the same. Same milk gone through the same processes from the same cows put in the same cartons but different labels and price points.

RoboRat

I have no brand loyalty. There are certain brands I like but if they unreasonably hiked their price or reduced their quality, I would drop them like a hot snot. I look at value (price and quality) and that's what I'm loyal to.

tjhook

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817717#Comment_121817717

I've recently moved to an iPhone after years with Android. I find my years-old OnePlus 6 better than my iPhone 15 pro, but my desire to get away from Google (privacy) means I'll be staying with Apple.

Some things I don't like about my iPhone:

• iPhone is thick, shaped like a brick. The OnePlus was slimmer, with a curved back that fitted better in the pocket
• My years-old OnePlus still has a longer-lasting battery than the new iPhone.
• iPhone/IOS has no standard back button
• iPhone has limited widgets available (and no transparency from what I can tell)
• I loved "Tasker" on Android to automate phone behaviours like automatically switching to vibrate when I'm physically in the office during specified hours. iPhone has "Shortcuts" which is similar but not nearly as powerful.
• IOS has poor customisation compared to Android.
• Not a fan of the Apple "action button" to silence the phone. Oneplus had a 3-position switch between normal/vibrate/silent. I preferred that.
• No side-loading of apps on Apple, although I think I heard this is changing?
• No access to the Apple filesystem (that I could find anyway). While specific areas (iCloud, pictures) can be browsed or shared, I liked being able to browse the Android filesystem and create folders where I like.

Despite those reasons (and some might not be true, maybe I just haven't seen the features yet), I'm happy to stick with Apple for privacy reasons. In fairness, the apple has certain advantages over my Android too.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812098#Comment_121812098

From memory and I was a pup at the time but weren't they a lot more utilitarian?

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820252#Comment_121820252

have heard the same from someone who worked for one of the big two tea companys

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121804247#Comment_121804247

for 250 euro maybe, but one for about 400 euro will almost definitely be comparable if not better

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121804233#Comment_121804233

the mac/macbook being 'better' for 'creative work' is just savvy marketing hyperbole to be honest. both of the main OSs will be as good as the other (i'd have a preference for the windows versions of the software i use but i also understand theyre much of a muchness in all reality)

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121819391#Comment_121819391

If you're buying a particular product because you like the taste, that's an entirely different matter to buying something simply because of a brand name.

BolloxChop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820330#Comment_121820330

For true privacy you'd want to get a Google Pixel 6 or newer and flash GrapheneOS onto it. But that's not for most people...

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820336#Comment_121820336

Yes, you mean the interior fixtures and fittings?

Yes.

A Lidl store in Germany is not the same as one in Ireland.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820330#Comment_121820330

Not even meaning to sound argumentative here but none of that points to Apple being “years behind” in technology.

I’m growing tired of sounding like a parrot so I’ll answer my own question and that is there are no such examples of Apple trialing years behind in technology.

In fact Apple has been more often at the forefront of genius innovation and technology. Granted nowadays the MacBook Air is a teenagers social media device at the time it was revolutionary.

The price is often vastly overinflated compared to competitors but they have set themselves up as a premium brand and premium brands charge more.

But I do have to laugh at the stark android defenders when they jump for the money argument as though Samsung and other big companies are much cheaper.

An S24 base model for instance is around €920 and an iPhone 15 standard is €979. Naturally android savings are in buying high end tech from other brands but if comparing like to like you’re not exactly getting shafted anymore by Apple than Samsung.

I suppose it goes to show how influenced we can be by marketing. I use iPhone primarily and only because no keyboard on Android I can find is comparable.

In my opinion they are all terrible and make me sad.

Hamsterchops

Brand loyalty - not anymore thanks to such a wide consumer choice. Gone are the days when I'd automatically pick up a tin of Heinz baked beans, or Heinz tomato ketchup, because nowadays there are so many rip offs (that taste better) than the original. Kellogs cornflakes is another example of a brand we would have been attached to for decades, then the German twins arrived with their own brands, and all allegiance to the original brand went out the window.

RoboRat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820358#Comment_121820358

I'm not an Apple fanboy, I don't like iPhones/ iPads but having worked in graphic design for over 20 years, I can say hand on heart that Macs are far superior to PCs for creative work. It's nothing to do with their marketing, it's from personal experience. I find that they can handle really large files without crashing. A Mac Pro is a beast of a computer and it's very pricey, but if you need a reliable computer that can handle big files, then it's perfect. I also like the Mac OS which is odd because I hate the iPhone/ iPad OS!

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820252#Comment_121820252

That makes sense. Same packaging, different labels. Different scenario to different packaging coming off the one line.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820358#Comment_121820358

Worked on both for years. Apple is better I'm afraid, even with your loyalty to windows, you'd appreciate it if you worked in the area. That's why they're used in ad agencies and creative departments worldwide.

rob316

Nike Air Max 90

Coca Cola classic

DeWalt

Anything else I will buy I don't care about the brand

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822497#Comment_121822497

This kind of legacy thinking has been consigned to the bin years ago. There's nothing a mac can do that a PC can't with regards to graphic design or multimedia.

This kind of attitude went out with the 386.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121822963#Comment_121822963

Probably true, but your brand loyalty is blinding you. Anyone working in the industry will tell you the Mac will do it faster, better & with more ease.