SUV v Saloon

kgroarke

Looking at upgrading my 2016 1.6 VW diesel auto pasatt, its myself, wife and two kids. Weighing up options for approx 35 - 40k total including trade in.

Looking for something that has good MPG, good size boot and decent spec.

Options include a 20/21 pasatt or Skoda superb/octavia sportline. I also like the look of the peugot 5008 for the extra space.

Concerns with the Peugot 5008 option are MPG and resale value in years to come. I do a 110km round trip commute to work 2 or 3 times a week. I have only considered the 5008 as this seems to be the only SUV in its category that gives a decent return on diesel MPG.

The saloon is the more practical but if I can get a fuel efficient SUV for the same price, this could be an option.

Interested to hear people's Views on these options or any other suggestions??

Cheers

hoodie6029

You’re always going to get better MPG from a saloon/estate than a crossover/SUV etc just because of the shape and size.

Would you consider a Superb estate or a Prius if you need a bit of extra space and practicality over a saloon? You’d get very nice examples of those for your budget.

Also, I and a few others on this forum are very anti-suv/crossover. So if we can keep one more person out of those pointless vehicles, we will!

goochy

I always recommend high spec superb in cases like this

_H80_GHT

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779441#Comment_121779441

How are SUV's pointless?

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058336582/suv-v-saloon

DO you need 5 or 7 seats?

The J Stands for Jay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780721#Comment_121780721

Because they confer no advantage over a car.

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780876#Comment_121780876

They are easier to get into and get out of. They are easier to put small children into if they require car seats.

rabbitinlights

I know SUVs are everywhere but I really enjoy seeing the increase in estates around the country, they really are the perfect balance imo.

The Skoda Superb Combi & Peugeot 508 SW are great looking family cars.

Eoinbmw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780886#Comment_121780886

How so?

mickdw

Get an end of line passat seeing as they don't sell them anymore. Get it in nice spec and it should hold its value better than most.

goochy

Superb better

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780721#Comment_121780721

Vulnerable road users more likely to be killed if hit by them compared to a car, they roll over given half a chance. So much worse for the environment than the alternatives and so on and so on…

Deep Thought

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781136#Comment_121781136

JFC..

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781136#Comment_121781136

But there okay as long as your profiting off them?? 😂😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058328519/lexus-rx-hybrid-are-they-a-good-seller#latest

Mooooo

The 5008 and other 7 seater always will have a market for young families. But if you don't need the extra seats estate would be my preference but I would prefer saloon / estate over the suvs. Get better value I think as well, I see on beshoffs a 21 vw passat estate for 37k and an 18 vw tiguan for 32k just to compare from one outlet, the estate would arguably have more usable space.

Skodas were always good space wise as well and prob look a bit better than the passat in estate form. If you are doing a lot of miles get one with the best seat for you anyway

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781136#Comment_121781136

My plan is not to hit road users, if in my car or SUV

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780876#Comment_121780876

They offer plenty of advantages and disadvnatges over a car, just some people like or dislike those advantages. Personally I have one of each :-)

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781164#Comment_121781164

That was a bad week. Back on my medication now 😂😂

goochy

You have been rumbled

Strumms

I’ve driven both, SUVs all the way and I make no apologies to the anti SUV brigade…advantages..

bigger boot space

elevated driving position which is probably my favourite thing and I say that not being a small person. But it gives you a better vantage of everything and anyone around you. Love that about them.

people moaning about SUVs by the ‘standards’ they espouse should be moaning about vans, lorries, motor homes, trucks and anything else of that nature, but, no, the anti SUV infatuation, just bizarre.

the only disadvantage i experienced was in certain businesses with tight parking spaces like Dublin airport car parking for example and it’s a tight squeeze and some and more challenging to manoeuvre.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781845#Comment_121781845

The fact that they handle like vans compared to a good saloon is a fairly big disadvantage.

I've driven a fair cross section of suv right up to bmw x5 m50d and even at that level, the height and weight can be severely felt. To me the m50d felt very floaty around the front end.

bop1977

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781845#Comment_121781845

the superb estate has a bigger boot than the kodiak.

goochy

Rear leg room huge

maidhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781136#Comment_121781136

You are no doubt correct if you consider an SUV to be a Lincoln navigator, but defiantly not a Hyundai tucson or such, which in reality is just a different shaped hatchback that appeals to buyers right now.

Montage of Feck

SUV's usually have a smaller boot than the equivalent regular car. But go for a big hatch hatchback or estate over a saloon.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058336582/suv-v-saloon

Either a saloon or SUV will suit your needs.

Check out an SUV you might be surprised that the boot is not that big in some

Give one a drive and see if it's comfortable for you.

The main thing buying second hand is to get a good car.

Condition, spec, mileage, service history etc. are the really important things.

SUVs are big sellers new so you might find that the best car you can find may be one.

horse7

How about a VW caravelle, just like Eamonn Ryan

Screenshot_20240218-090228.png

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121782627#Comment_121782627

IIRC a standard Octavia has more boot space than a range rover.

I've a 2012 one and it's like the tardis.

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780950#Comment_121780950

Less bending down involved. Personally I prefer a saloon car but I can see why some prefer a vehicle that is higher off the ground; elderly, overweight, bad backs, lazy etc.

Its definitely a more physical activity to get in and out of a saloon than a higher vehicle. Most of us can live with the level of physicality but not all chose to do so.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121783755#Comment_121783755

lazy? over weight?

Never once put getting in and out of a car as a “level of physicality”

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121783786#Comment_121783786

Its not rocket science that someone who is fat or old would find it easier getting in and out of an SUV than a saloon. Theres people out there who have to catch their breath after the most basic of activity such as getting up off the couch. And then theres all the healthy people with bad backs etc

cdeb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121781225#Comment_121781225

Do you think many SUV drivers actively seek to hit road users? Or do you just not understand the word "accident"?

Here's what Mike Berners-Lee in his book How Bad Are Bananas? The Carbon Footprint of Everything has to say about SUVs -

"A new Range-Rover or SUV could eat up to ten years' of a five-tonne [CO2] lifestyle before you even drive it"

"A common myth is that huge four-wheel drive gas guzzlers are safer for their occupants. This is generally not true. They are, however, more dangerous for everyone else on the road [...] Any supposed safety advantage in a crash comes at the expense of whoever you crash into."

"Vehicle emissions in the UK have not decreased at anything like the scale we might have hoped for 10 years ago - and the reason for that is too many people buy SUVs rather than efficient smart cars."

"Big SUVs are totally unnecessary for doing the school run or any other activities in a British city."

It's a free world of course. But (a) climate change is real and (b) it's more important than anything else at the moment, including you. So I think that put a bit of context on any decision to buy an SUV is maybe needed.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121783998#Comment_121783998

Not sure what the point of this rant is :-)

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121783811#Comment_121783811

It's a specific use case and somehow the OP doesn't seem like they will have an issue getting in & out of a car

Now if they posted they are 75 years old and retired, like my parents, I would recommend a small crossover because it is perfect fo them and they don't have to bring kids etc

cdeb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784086#Comment_121784086

To point out that your post I was replying to is wrong?

And to add to the discussion in general?

You could read the post and engage in the points made if you want.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784133#Comment_121784133

Berners-Lee is talking about Range Rovers or proper SUVs.

The op is looking for a second hand family car.

cdeb

Yes - and is considering an SUV...?

Bosco26

Jumping onboard this discussion as trying to decide on a family car. Think we have settled on Skoda and looking at saloon. Currently looking at Skoda Superb, 122 BHP, diesel 2.0, 2021 - would this be suitable? Or would the 1.6 petrol hybrid be of better long term value? Travelling 40km to and from work everyday and some country travel intermittently during the month at the weekends. Thanks in advance

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784344#Comment_121784344

Yes but not a big one.

You're trying to guilt him for considering what is basically a saloon car with notions.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784344#Comment_121784344

They mentioned a 5008 which is not a SUV, it is a crossover.

My main question was about 7 seater which at the moment if required you are extremely limited on options.

You posted: "Big SUVs are totally unnecessary for doing the school run or any other activities in a British city."

Yet if you require 7 seats what options are available? it is a market full of Crossovers, the MPV of old like the Touran are not gone from the market.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784347#Comment_121784347

Diesel is not really required for that type of driving, of course plenty of people have bought diesels over the years for that type of driving but really depending on budget a PHEV with 30-50km range might be a great job.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784412#Comment_121784412

People should buy what suits their needs best, if that is diesel/petrol/electric etc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784133#Comment_121784133

You posted about SUV and the person is not buying a SUV, you are posting about the UK and I don't live in UK and I doubt the OP does either.

I am conscience of the environment and could hazard a guess I do more than you. But some of the over the top nonsense at this stage is driving people away from protecting the environment instead of getting them to protect

cdeb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784412#Comment_121784412

I don't think so. Berners-Lee refers to "A Range Rover or SUV". The OP is talking about an SUV, and even if it's a small one, the environmental impact is a consideration.

cdeb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784559#Comment_121784559

"You are posting about the UK and I don't live in UK and I doubt the OP does either."

Do you think Ireland is that much different?

"I am conscience of the environment and could hazard a guess I do more than you."

Hazard a guess away. You're just engaging in speculation to make yourself feel better, given you know nothing about me. Are you often that certain about things you know nothing about?

"But some of the over the top nonsense at this stage is driving people away from protecting the environment instead of getting them to protect"

What over the top nonsense specifically?

The OP said the car was for four people, so not sure why you felt the need to bring 7-seaters into things. In that context, it seems sensible to caution against an SUV (even a crossover) when it's not needed. As indeed, other posters have also done.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784606#Comment_121784606

Why would I need to feel better? 😂 based on what I have seen most peopel who waffle about the environment online do f**k all about it in their own life. Just an assumption but I certainly don't have to feel better/worse based on a chat on a forum 😉

People buy 7 seaters for multiple reasons, if they plan to have another child a 5008 gives you 3 full car seats in the second row and also space to bring a friend. The 5008 is an excellent version of that and hence why I asked the question if they required 7 seats.

What over the top nonsense specifically?

below

it's more important than anything else at the moment, including you

Its off topic anyway, the OP should buy what suits their requirements, if thats a 7 seater diesel guzzling SUV then so be it....

alias no.9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784576#Comment_121784576

SUV's came into being in the US to circumvent emissions regulations, light trucks with passenger bodies did not have to meet the same emissions standards as regular cars.

The OP is talking about a Peugeot 5008, a front wheel drive 7 seat family car, a tall estate with ever so slightly rugged styling, a crossover. It isn't the first cousin of an actual SUV, it's a derivative of a C segment hatchback and not a light truck.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784576#Comment_121784576

The OP's budget and the models he's,looking at point towards the Tucson/Kuga/Rav4 sector.

You must be able to differentiate between that type of car and the Range Rover.

Also he is buying secondhand so the car is already in the national fleet so it's not as if he might add a particular car to those already on the road.

alias no.9

The Octavia and the 5008 make for a great comparison to show how little difference there is, first in pictures

and in numbers

More or less the same footprint, the Octavia is actually longer, the 5008 has a marginal weight penalty but for that you get the possibility of 2 extra seats or significant extra cargo space which I think was the reason the OP was considering a 5008.

The weight is a proxy for the amount of materials contained in the car and puts paid to the idea that there is significantly more embodied carbon in one versus the other.

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121783786#Comment_121783786

You're fortunate then. Not everyone is the same as you.

cdeb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121785053#Comment_121785053

I am, don't worry. Though I think the ones you mention wouldn't exactly come under the fuel efficient category the OP (in fairness) references?

The second-hand point is reasonable - it's probably not entirely negligible either as it'll feed into changing the national fleet way too quickly. But that's a matter for a completely different thread of course.

cdeb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784675#Comment_121784675

You disagree with my suggestion the environment is more important than you? That's the "nonsense" you were referring to?

And if the OP has any consideration for their children, then no, they shouldn't buy a 7-seater diesel guzzling SUV.

You seem to personalise things a bit much when you're challenged (my comment is nonsense but no reason why; you're more environmentally conscious than me but no reason why; you think I'm waffling online but no reason why) and don't seem inclined towards engaging in actual discussion (eg your comments on SUV safety).

On that basis, I'll leave you at that so.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121786000#Comment_121786000

The difference in economy is a factor but some of those cars come with a hybrid option .

When you buy secondhand you don't order a car. The car you buy is already sitting waiting to be sold.

A well minded car can easily have a usable life of 12 to 15 years so those cars are going to be around for quite a while.

As they make their way down the chain they'll be finding buyers at every level.

kgroarke

Only need 5 right now