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Saorview Updates - 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    I do wonder is like that on other android televisions not just Sony to have live channels on RTE Player



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    The easiest option going forward is launching a new Android and iOS app with all the Saorview channels (plus extra channels if there are interested broadcasters) with full epg and integrated catch up players, pause and restart, and full casting options. It would be similar to how the Now and EirTV apps currently operate.

    This way people can watch the saorview channels seamlessly on phones, tablet, Apple TV, Google TV on chromecast/streamer, and other such devices. The app could be called Saorview Stream. And the job is done, simple and cheap. Saorview have acknowledged that people want to watch their channels on mobile, so there's a very simple solution.

    As others have said, trying to get people to buy a new TV or set top box again for a DVB-I / Hbb IP hybrid service is too costly and unlikely to succeed this time around, in addition to the sums of money Saorview are going to throw at this when there's a much simpler and cheaper option available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    To put it simply you won't have to buy a new TV, DVB-I is just a new hybrid TV interface that replaces the existing DVB-T interface.

    You won't lose anything by not having a DVB-I TV. All it does is add hybrid functionality.

    DVB-T will around for at least another decade with or without DVB-I. A DVB-I TV will display the existing channels as they do now.

    In a few years when you go to buy a new TV in the normal course of events DVB-I will be there as standard. It's a pan European standard.

    Anyone who's purchased a TV in recent years has a sister hybrid application built-in as standard, HbbTV v.1.5 or later. I've seen the odd RTÉ test using my TV. This how DVB-I will arrive.

    In Italy today you can pickup a DVB-I TV from the local TV retailer and it's likely to be a budget Vestel model.

    Considering that I wonder if the new Walker TV range, Vestel chassis, has DVB-I hidden in the background already?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    But if Saorview launches new channels on IP only, or Virgin Media channels go HD on IP only and you don't have a compatible TV / set top box, you will be missing out on a substantial part of the service. I don't have the numbers but it's likely to result in an inferior service to the vast majority of current Saorview users.

    Whereas no one has to miss out by launching an app that could be developed in months rather than the years for a hybrid IP service. The four main benefits listed on the DVB-I website are a hybrid service, IP only service, streaming to set top boxes and chromecast devices, and streaming to mobile devices.

    A quick and cheap solution for the last three are an android and iOS streaming app.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I would imagine the relevant Government Minister would order existing base services to remain on DVB-T for the foreseeable future and not switch to DVB-I in one swoop. A form of dual illumination would be the way forward in the medium term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    DVB-I doesn't replace DVB-T.

    It is just an interface.

    Basically it's an aggregator of DVB-T, IP, satellite and any other service the provider chooses.

    When DVB-T eventually goes, in maybe a decade or more the fallback will be seamless to IP.

    Now the thing is how IP will be delivered, fibre naturally but also wireless via 5G and future 6G.

    The standards people are already working on DVB-I and 5G integration.

    At WRC-31 it's likely the remaining broadcasting spectrum could be co- allocated to mobile services.

    If this happens we're likely to see the transition to IP 5G Broadcast. This is where broadcasting will be done via your local mobile mast using frequencies allocated to broadcasting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The thing about DVB-I it can be made available on all types of device, not only TV and STB, but mobile, laptop, pad, smart watch etc. etc.

    it's been demonstrated on all these devices, presumably via an app. Naturally these will be all IP delivered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,407 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not all of us are content to sell our souls to Apple or Google - and we shouldn't have to to access our national public service broadcaster.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Yes, you shouldn't have to - but there's no reason it should not be an additional option.

    There's a huge swathe of people in Ireland already using IPTV dodgy boxes to access RTE and other Irish services!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 G10B


    Anyone notice the audio/video sync issue on RTE One +1 the last few weeks? No one in 2RN did.

    2RN never really ever learned how to implement AD/nar correctly. It took them years to figure out TG4 & TV3 was incorrectly setup. The AD audio channel should be combined with the main audio channel but 2RN treat it as an alternative audio/language which results in no audio or description only for visually impaired. Same issue on Challenge at the moment. (will only affect those with AD enabled or with an old panasonic G10B)

    I assume the blank place holders in live section of RTE Player are for RTE One +1 & RTE2 +1. They will be handy as alternative to the saorview blur if they are HD & don't have same audio sync issue. RTE2 +1 might be a full time option on RTE Player not just when RTEjr closes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    AFAIK RTÉ2 does not share with RTÉjr, and broadcast closures from RTÉ aren't going to happen any time soon.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Well if they are going to Streaming Saorview, I just hope they keep it as simple as possible, it's simple at the moment and works well on the LG TV with Saorview Digital Terrestrial and LG Fast channels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭decor58


    The blank spaces you referred to were used for streams during the Special Olympics, there were four streams at one stage. They could be handy for covering those clashing GAA matches or whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 G10B


    RTE2+1 starts when RTEjr finishes each day. So they share the bandwidth on Saorview & same on Sky afaik.

    When I said close RTEjr I meant each day when it finishes at 7pm. I didn't mean RTEjr is being closed down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ2 +1 starts earlier in day on Saturday and Sunday.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Exactly. RTÉjr used to timeshare with RTÉ One +1

    The only channels that timeshare now on Saorview are Cúla4 and TG4 +1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Anyone still using the original Saorview app?

    I've had it on my phone since it was launched and used it regularly to check the programme schedule.

    Popped in just now and all the channels have disappeared.

    I know it wasn't available for download for quite a while now. Found it useful to check the schedule like the Freesat app.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭decor58


    I had it on an old phone but when I looked for it for the new phone it wasn't available, as a poor replacement I saved the HELP section on the Saorview site as an 'add to homescreen' as a short cut. Spotlight and What's on are available that way as a work around, not as good as the app but can be handy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,615 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I've moved recently and I can't get a Saorview signal until I do a bit of flutering around with my aerial etc.

    In the meantime I persuaded myself to use the Player on my tablet for the first time in ages.

    It offered me some sort of Beta update when I opened it which I accepted.

    It is unbelievably excellent compared to what I've had to endure previously. The layout isn't the best but not too bad once I've got used to it. No ads whatsoever while watching anything that isn't live and just a "back soon" screen while the ads are on during live programmes.

    It hasn't buffered once in the couple of weeks I've been using it which is the complete opposite to the way it used to be.

    I don't know if the update is for everyone or if I'm the guinea pig but 🤷‍♂️.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    I would say that update is for everyone on the RTE player



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,615 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I hope so.

    Maybe Kevin is getting things done without too much of a fanfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭butwhynot


    New on Mux 1, for a total of 10 test cards:

    25 - HD test card

    26 - test card

    27 - test card

    Also, here's a video of the Saorview DVB-I concept at IBC2024

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQX5Ao_UXo0&t=563



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    HbbTV or DVB-I test channels, they have said there's a pilot due



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    hi. Just wanted to know I have a Sony smart television and will I be able to get all these new features too. I only got the Tv last year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,757 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Are you sure it's 10 test cards. I have a total of 9 of them here when I re-tuned Mux 1 from Three Rock.

    EDIT: I actually do have 10 testcards on my new Saorview combi box. My sincere apologies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,066 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    It would be nice if there was a public test of DVB-I for end of year, but I suppose that is too much to hope for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    It should have the HbbTV application but not the DVB-I.

    For HbbTV go to the hidden LCNs 50/51, what do you see?

    https://2rn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2rn-HbbTV-testing-update.pdf

    Go to to the radio channels, can you see a programme description beside the channel logo slate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The problem is are any TVs here DVB-I compatible?

    In the Italian DVB-I testing Vestel supplied the TVs.

    Walker, Toshiba etc have Vestel chassis.

    In the UK, the freely IPTV platform uses HbbTV OpApp instead of DVB-I. Freely is available on Vestel TVs with the TiVo operating system.

    The new range of Walker TVs here include the TiVo operating system

    https://videoweek.com/2024/04/30/freely-launches-in-uk-with-hisense-vestel-and-tivo/

    https://www.whathifi.com/news/tivo-celebrates-its-25th-birthday-with-a-brand-new-smart-tv-operating-system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    hi There. I went to channels 50 and 51 on 50 an old radio tune is still be played and on channel 51 is Rte lyric FM



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    yes I saw the test card channels and hbb tv test too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,066 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Probably need a 'box' with the DVB-I capability as TVs will have to serve their expected life. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭lgs 4


    The test card is still only 1440x1080i.I wonder could we see a new channel .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭doney84


    Might be wishful thinking on my part but maybe 2rn and Virgin Media have agreed carriage of VM 1 HD. I realize it's only a proof of concept but in the video posted above I noticed the icon for playback on the Virgin Media channels when the epg was scrolled back. Would this suggest that VM Play along with RTÉ player & TG4 player will be incorporated into the DVB I version of Saorview?

    I can't remember if we had a HD test card similar to the one that appeared yesterday in the run up to TG4 HD launching?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    How are all these channels and test cards fit into two multiplexes. I thought a third multiplex may have opened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Maybe we may get a new channel but who knows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    They’re definitely getting their money’s worth out of the PT5300 anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    that’s a good question. How do we all know but we will have to find out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    I don't know how having or using a Saorview streaming app is selling your soul to Google or Apple. Such an app could exist in parallel to Saorview or indeed a Saorview/DVB-I hybrid service, I never suggested that it would be a Saorview replacement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    I wonder will the DVB-I work on the Saorview Connect box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,910 ✭✭✭✭The Cush




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    I would say no. You will have to get another set top box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Your welcome



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭butwhynot


    Some more tests this morning on 26, 27 and 32



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Some old B&W cards! Top one looks like an old Philips PM5540, bottom one seems to be an SMPTE card of some sort. Very odd.

    Edit: Seems to be back to the usual Philips patterns now, just checked the live broadcast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Looks like test cards from foreign TV stations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,407 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Maybe they'll put on Indian Head next 😯

    Some 1960s RTE test cards had some resemblance to the third one above.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Don't see the point of putting these test cards on unless they are going to Launched some new tv channels



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