Did it ever make sense to move from an old combustion car to a new EV

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122389124#Comment_122389124

That’s what the mad hatter said to his doctor before……

Ir3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388327#Comment_122388327

The reason people have a problem with what you are saying is because it has no logic. For instance you compare a used ICE to a new EV, basically implying that someone may think its cheaper to buy a new 40k EV instead of a 10K Diesel/Petrol.. Talk about stating the obvious. If you are going to say that well then if you buy a 10k Petrol then I can say oh you are daft doing that cos you should buy a 5k Diesel, so nobody ever buys a nice car, we all drive rusted out death traps cos they are cheap.. I bought a new car as I had been driving a 15 yr old 320d that blew 2 turbos in the space of 4 years as it was doing local mileage that was not suited to Diesel, so when I decided on treating ourselves to a new car it quickly became apparent that EV would suit us best, 7000km later and we have public charged once in Ireland. So in a like for like situation yes EV is cheaper! and from an absolute petrol head who looked at countless ICE before switching I can say in my opinion that our car is also a much nicer drive than any comparable every day ICE option. Ireland is a sh1t show when it comes to being a car enthusiast and no petrol head could ever say they actually want to drive a diesel! it has always been an option forced on us through taxation. EV has now been forced on me through Taxation but the performance and comfort are real positives.

Are people STILL trying the line that it's more expensive or environmentally damaging to move to a NEW EV?

Christ, the only comparison which is like for like is if you need to buy a new car and are looking at ICE new and EV new. EV is, by far, the better option

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390964#Comment_122390964

Yes, heard it the other day at work, I just called him a wally and walked away

liamog

I remember the days when the Kona came out and people would argue about it costing €15k over the petrol version, the price premium was closer to €8k when you matched the available equipment. Now a petrol Kona (Elegance) is €37,545, the 48kWh EV €36,995 and the 65kWh €40,995. All nicely in the range where people can just decide which drivetrain suits them instead of being driven by cost.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122388518#Comment_122388518

This is true, and at our motorway speed limit of 120km/h it would take just 5h50m to cover 700km. Most people would take a break after 2h driving for safety purposes though

Important to note, 10k on an EV would get you a Leaf40 or an ioniq28 so you'd be looking at about 200km range, the average car travels 50km a day so that's equivalent to 4 average days driving

MojoMaker

Time for the Bingo Card I think.

CMOTDibbler

Such a nonsensical question. Not even sure what it's trying to prove or elicit. You might as well ask does it make sense to move from an old car to a new car.

Well yes it does. If you have the money and are tired of forking out for ever-increasing cost of repairs. Or just want something new. Everyone who buys a new car is clearly getting rid of an old car. It's kind of axiomatic. What choice of new car propulsion system is entirely personal to the buyer and their particular use case.

Buddy Bubs

If your older car isn't costing you 500 a month in tax, repairs, NCT, fuel over and above what those things cost in a new car that will depreciate and have finance charges of 6k a year then financially it's not worth it.

If it's not costing you 1000 a month in those things then it's not worth buying a car that will depreciate and have finance charges of 12k a year.

That's the only question to ask yourself.

It's simple maths to answer the question in OP

Everyone's will be different

My own case, bought a new cupra born in 2022 to replace a 2014 Audi A6.

Fuel is down by about 150 a month, tax down by 15 a month, NCT down by 5 a month, repairs and servicing for Audi I had budgeted 1000 euro a year or about 80 a month and hoped nothing big went wrong

So the monthly savings are about 250 a month

Audi was depreciating at about 2 to 3k a year or guess so that's about 225 a month at midpoint of depreciation.

Cupra was bought without a loan so no finance charges but it has depreciated about 18k in 2 years or about 750 a month up to now or about 500 more than the Audi depreciation.

So it's currently costing me about 500 in excess depreciation lessened by about 250 in reduced recurring running costs which overall is an extra 250 a month over the 8 year old Audi I moved out of.

Worth it? Probably, yes it is, to me. I prefer the EV to be honest. Newer tech, better drive, although less comfortable.

Depreciation will slow down over time too making each passing year I keep it more of a financially sound decision, assuming, of course, nothing goes wrong with it.

That's what you have to consider if it's worth it or not.

But you're unlikely to see more money in your pocket ever by changing cars unless in some rare cases of unreliability or in high mileage cases moving to more fuel efficient cars.

mr chips

We're looking at leasing an EV through my other half's salary sacrifice scheme here in NI (once the tortuously slow process of setting it up is finally complete!). We're still trying to narrow it down from a few options - 2 year old Kia EV6, 2.5-3 year old Model 3 Long Range, 1 year old Kia Niro EV, 2 year old Kia eNiro (old shape) possibly even a new Hyundai Kona. Our annual mileage is around 10-11k miles (16-17k km) p.a., but we need something capable of completing a regular 450km trip we take in winter with just one short charging stop somewhere along the M7. This means that we have to consider range at/near motorway speeds in poor conditions, together with charging time en route and of course monthly leasing cost. Remaining warranty cover and rapid charging speed are also important.

We worked out that between fuel (the biggest cost), servicing & maintenance, tax etc, the old 2.0 diesel Mondeo we've been driving - and the old A6 2.0 TDi we had before that - were averaging a monthly cost of over £300stg per month. The most expensive monthly leasing option would be the EV6 at £364 per month, but even with paying for a certain amount of rapid charging on those long trips, that would only add about £75 per month to our overall motoring-related outgoings (we would be able to do some free charging from home using solar).

The 2 year old (previous shape) eNiro comes in at £275 per month, so it would actually save us money over continuing to run the Mondeo - if we could rely on that one to make those long trips in no more than 5 hours 15 minutes, including charging time - which is the one big question mark over it for us. But that's an exceptional use case - most people won't be making those long trips with an unmissable arrival time. So to answer the OP question - yes, it absolutely can make sense to go from an older ICE to a newer EV.

NB if anybody has an old-shape eNiro, I'd be very interested in hearing about your motorway range in winter!

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390434#Comment_122390434

I TOTALLY endorse the post above.

With the caveat that in my situation I just wanted an EV so tax wasn't a factor - was paying 280 quid or something for the diesel crapbox it replaced.

For context I was interested in diesels when most of today's diesel fans were hating them.

My being interested in diesels history included......

1) I enjoyed the Seat Malaga diesel I was a passenger in 1987. This wasn't entirely down to diesel engine - it was also the first time I was in a car with rear seat belts for example.

2) I got interested in Citroen BXs when a brochure for one turned up for me. Diesels are an important part of the BX story.

3) the diesel Sunny diesel 2.0 normally aspirated I learned to drive in - TWO of them*. Seemed to drive well enough engine wise (other aspects like steering very meh) - so you are quickly wondering just how good some of the better diesels would be.

The likes of Audi TDis, 6 cylinder BMW stuff like the E36, E34/E39 etc.

4) I enjoyed driving 1999 Corolla diesel and Daihatsu Fourtrack. Both crap box territory for typical modern diesel drivers.

Even with above history I still can't understand how you'd enjoy driving a modern diesel.

Making them ultra refined appealed to many drivers - but takes away the character an older diesel had.

And you are left with something that still has some rattle but is now dull.

Excellent (sarcasm)

*my 18th birthday present was 3 driving lessons. The driving instructor had a Sunny diesel N14 at the time. And our family car was also N14 Sunny diesel.

djan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399660#Comment_122399660

All about that sweet sweet torque but to be honest that's where EVs shine!

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399792#Comment_122399792

To a point yes.

But while you still have the torque in a modern diesel. I think its more linear so less noticeable. As in it has less impact on enjoying the car.

Especially with more people driving autos.

Where older XUD and VW TDI stuff would give you an obvious jump in power when turbo kicks in.

Modern diesels usually have a smoother power delivery in comparison. Supported by the move to 7 to 9 speed type transmission.

Mind you my last experience of driving diesels full time was the Nissan/Renault 1.5 dci.

Ir3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399660#Comment_122399660

totally get your point, always remember driving a Citroen ZX Volcane which was my first experience of a turbo diesel and it was really impressive to me at the time but I just meant that an enthusiast will pick a petrol in a car you really want to drive.