Delinquent kids kicking my door, how to manage this?

I think I posted a thread quite a while back about living in an apartment complex which has four different blocks. One of the blocks is owned by the city council and Focus Ireland manages it on their behalf.

At that time I had mentioned there were kids in the council block, using a common space between the blocks to play football and they were going nuts and creating a noise disturbance.

I received advice here to report them to their management, Focus Ireland, which I did, and the issue was apparently resolved because thereafter, there was virtually no further disturbance.

......

Recently, I was informed that they were only temporarily in the Focus Ireland property, whilst their other council house, their main residence, was being refurbished.

So they've moved back there, out of the apartment facility. Should be good cause it means they're gone now, right?

Wrong.

** facepalm **

Turns out, they apparently didn't take kindly to being reported and scolded, presumably, by their management company. Cause now the kids are coming around in the evening time and kicking my door, then running (they knew it was me that reported them cause I told them off several times in person before reporting them).

Anyways, due to GDPR, there's this new regulation where I'm not allowed to look at CCTV footage, but the security guard checked it out on my behalf and clearly identified them as the same kids.

i.e. now they've moved out, they're coming by and kicking my door to f**k with me.

The camera footage is too low definition to identify their faces though, so cops won't act on it (spoke to them already and they examined the footage too).

......

So, what are my options?

Cops said, when it happens, I could immediately dial 999 and their control center has CCTV in the surrounding streets, but to me it sounds improbable they'll find much or act on it.

I could contact Focus Ireland again and explain circumstances, but I don't know what could become of that.

Apparently there's an organization called "Tusla" that might deal with delinquent kids?

Really what I need is to positively ID them myself.

It happened this evening by example, and I could see a kid run off and he looked 90% like one of the bastards that used to kick football into peoples windows, but cause I only saw him running away, there's 10% uncertainty.

Any thoughts?

Someone mentioned to me to get a wifi doorbell camera, but I only use my phone hotspot for internet, plus couldn't they just tear that off the door anyways?

The Focus Ireland manager did provide me with a contact in the county council, the council owns all the housing of course, whether permanent or temporary, and apparently this contact sometimes deals with anti-social behaviour.

Perhaps once I 100% ID the kids as being those who were formerly raising hell, then I can simply touch base with him? Thoughts?

The issue in doing so is, cause of GDPR now, it's painstaking to get a look at the facilities CCTV (will speak with our private management Co. on Monday, see what happens, but our private security guard is adamant this must absolutely be done through either police or the management company. Even a member of the building ownership group can't check it out apparently).

I could alternately get the wifi camera but as above, don't know how that could work off a hotspot?

And lastly, if I can get a good look at them whilst they're running off, just visually ID them.

But I need to be absolutely certain it's them before I press matters further with the responsible authorities.

I'm open to suggestion though.

chrisd2019

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058325346/delinquent-kids-kicking-my-door-how-to-manage-this

You have answered your own question, report the disturbance at you door to the management company, it is their role to address such matters. Let them do the detective work. GDPR is the modern equivalent of Health and Safety rules, as the excuse used to avoid responsibility.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121445367#Comment_121445367

Cheers, will do that on Monday.

Hopefully they'll manage or organize something.

Former Former Former

Tusla have no role here. If they're no longer in Focus accommodation, then they have no role either. If the kids are council tenants but the offending is happening off council property, then they won't get involved either. I would struggle to see what your management company can do, law enforcement isn't their job.

Honestly, the best thing here is try to ignore it and hope they get bored eventually.

They know they are absolutely bulletproof. Scrote kids with scrote parents, they're invincible. Even if you could get a Garda to be interested, they'll be laughed at when they go knocking on the door.

Qrt

Best thing to do is ignore it. They’ll move on. You’ve already done an awful lot more than most people would. Going further will just rile them up even more.

Túsla are the state’s child protection services. If you reported the family to them then a few kicks on the door would be the least of your worries.

I find it so bizarre, looking back on my day planner:

"Monday: 5:30 pm.

Fat kid came by and kicked my door".

I mean WTF?

AyeGer

If they aren’t doing actual damage I’d say they will get bored eventually if you don’t react.

They should be punished but sometimes it’s easier if they just get bored and move on.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446412#Comment_121446412

Mr Glass Half Full over here.

I know we live in the age of it being a scrote-free-for-all, but I simply don't believe it's part of the human condition to simply allow obscene conduct to go unchecked.

With a cognizant approach, I feel this absolutely can be addressed.

I already shut them and their mum up when they were running rampage around the apartment facility (well, to be fair, focus Ireland acting on my behalf did, but I kicked things off).

Technically, they weren't in "focus Ireland accommodation" then either. They were outside their residence, on what could technically be thought of as "public property".

Maybe after efforts have been expended I'll find myself coming back here and conceding this post was correct;

But illustrating the issue to my management company, etc., seems almost like an obligation on my behalf as a diligent tenant.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446454#Comment_121446454

Yeah I got that feeling too, just intuitively.

Our facility security manager suggested it.

I guess he meant it as an absolutely last resort if things get totally OTT.

I'd still be very mindful about doing so even then.

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As to them moving on or getting bored?

Alas no.

It started off a few months ago, very intermittently so I didn't pay attention. But they're ramping up their efforts recently.

i.e. it's getting worse, not better.

Overall, best case scenario would be, management install a more modern camera system (to be discussed at their AGM next week), and police can clearly identify the perpetrators by way of said footage.

And then every time they come by, I simply dial their control center and report it.

Problem solved.

Failing that, it's me getting a wifi cam installed on my door, which is looking difficult as I operate from a mobile hotspot only.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446517#Comment_121446517

I doubt it. When I reported them initially (or their mum more specifically), that really upset her.

She was having her dog foul on my doorstep for months.

i.e. they really want to fuck with me now.

It's a nice thought, they'll just move along but experience tells me this will just have to be concisely addressed.

First job is positively ID'ing them.

Which means my management company have to show me their CCTV camera footage next week.

Thargor

There are cameras out there that will record to an onboard SD card OP, pretty cheap too:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Security-Required-Storage-TC60/dp/B08K3LTVPD/ref=sr_1_3?adgrpid=62098810281&hvadid=291376406795&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1007850&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=15752694856539542279&hvtargid=kwd-11004736103&hydadcr=3955_1769198&keywords=security%2Bcamera%2Bwith%2Bsd%2Bcard&qid=1701548460&sr=8-3&th=1

Thargor

Obviously if you stick that to the door it will be gone though^.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446690#Comment_121446690

What does that mean, record to an onboard SD card?

Does that mean the device doesn't use wifi data, won't impose on my mobile plans data allowance?

road_high

best thing to do in my opinion is simply ignore them. They’re looking for a reaction so don’t give them one and they’ll get bored of it.

con747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446793#Comment_121446793

Put one of these up and put a cctv camera in operation sign up as well and see if it helps before buying a proper camera. https://www.amazon.co.uk/BW-Imitation-Security-Blinking-Flashing/dp/B0095RE0K0

Thargor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446793#Comment_121446793

What does that mean, record to an onboard SD card?

It means you put the SD into the slot on the camera then when someoone sets off the motion detector it records the clip straight to the SD card which you can then view on a laptop (or connect to it with your phone) and view the video that way, no wifi or data necessary.

I dont own that specific device and my house is wired up with Blink cameras which most definitely need wifi to see or record anything but I would be 90% sure it will record to that SD card even if not connected to a wifi network. Id also be 90% sure you'll need to connect it to wifi the first time you set it up and tell it to record motion sensor videos to the SD (you'll need a good SD card aswell btw), your phone should do the job for that initial setup though.

Im curious myself now so Ive posted a question on the Amazon page for that camera Ive linked, Ill let you know what replies I get tomorrow.

Are you friendly with any neighbours that might give you their password if you explain its just for a camera?

Thargor

I should have said aswell the easiest thing to do imo is ignore them for a week or two without giving any reaction and they'll move on to something else.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446923#Comment_121446923

Cyber week so just ordered this:

https://www.temu.com/goods.html?_bg_fs=1&goods_id=601099520500230&parent_order_sn=PO-096-07545910968950095&add_order=1&_x_ads_channel=google&_x_ads_sub_channel=shopping&_x_login_type=Google&_x_vst_scene=adg&_x_ns_sku_id=17592236524697&_x_gmc_account=5065455600&_x_ads_account=2203484323&_x_ads_set=20497886144&_x_ads_id=20497886144&_x_ads_creative_id=20497886144&_x_ns_source=x&_x_ns_gclid=CjwKCAjwo9unBhBTEiwAipC1177BhqUNpbZBGu3AjFIu7yrghIRXyjuzqJgxZTE5Qt527jsGYy3LOxoCau4QAvD_BwE&_x_ns_product_id=17592236524697&_x_ns_wbraid=CjkKCQjwgNanBhD-ARIoAKhQr6MbeDcEZgu0_kejggW9l2VlqRj1dBn6YcSm07i_gxK0Qw2uJRoC90g&_x_ns_gbraid=0AAAAAo4mICGwNW1RLkFuEKKMP4KYuL9SK&_x_ns_device=m&_x_sessn_id=oj4pgj25aq&refer_page_name=bgt_order_detail&refer_page_id=10045_1701608204620_tdm98cpdq0&refer_page_sn=10045

5 euro, can't go wrong.

With SD card so I'm hoping it pans out as you've outlined, it will record activity to the SD card and I can watch it later with using wifi data.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446828#Comment_121446828

I actually ordered a fake camera last week.

Which was more expensive than ordering the real camera that I have just now:

https://www.temu.com/goods.html?_bg_fs=1&goods_id=601099520500230&parent_order_sn=PO-096-07545910968950095&add_order=1&_x_ads_channel=google&_x_ads_sub_channel=shopping&_x_login_type=Google&_x_vst_scene=adg&_x_ns_sku_id=17592236524697&_x_gmc_account=5065455600&_x_ads_account=2203484323&_x_ads_set=20497886144&_x_ads_id=20497886144&_x_ads_creative_id=20497886144&_x_ns_source=x&_x_ns_gclid=CjwKCAjwo9unBhBTEiwAipC1177BhqUNpbZBGu3AjFIu7yrghIRXyjuzqJgxZTE5Qt527jsGYy3LOxoCau4QAvD_BwE&_x_ns_product_id=17592236524697&_x_ns_wbraid=CjkKCQjwgNanBhD-ARIoAKhQr6MbeDcEZgu0_kejggW9l2VlqRj1dBn6YcSm07i_gxK0Qw2uJRoC90g&_x_ns_gbraid=0AAAAAo4mICGwNW1RLkFuEKKMP4KYuL9SK&_x_ns_device=m&_x_sessn_id=oj4pgj25aq&refer_page_name=bgt_order_detail&refer_page_id=10045_1701608204620_tdm98cpdq0&refer_page_sn=10045

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448763#Comment_121448763

What you have ordered will only last for 30 minutes on its battery.

To save you the bother of wiring it up, you could always wait until the kids kick the door, then go outside and put the camera up, and ask the kids to do it again for the camera.

SteM

That camera you bought is a load of junk to be honest, it won't catch anything for you. Once they see a camera they'll just start putting up their hoodies and you'll never catch their face. Then they'll know you're engaging and it becomes a more enjoyable game for them.

z80CPU

Here's what to do Sugar.

Go to YouTube and search for Airbnb videos

Specifically bad Airbnb experiences. Ones with spy cameras.

A spy camera is what's needed.

thegame983

I've had windows smashed and bangers thrown through windows by local scum.

There isn't much you can do bar hope they beaten by their fathers at home or knocked down by a car.

I can sense the positive vibes in this thread.

lolwtf?

No wonder scrotes rule this country and Dublin got turned into their own personal circus last week.

......

Where is that "can do" spirit?

It feels like a case of scrote-Stockholm-syndrome around here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448816#Comment_121448816

Yeah to be honest I ordered it cause on that site there's a 10 euro minimum order and I needed to make up the difference from 7:50 for a pair of compression leggings (gets cold in the gym over the holiday season).

But I guess we'll see what's what.

It's got about 50 thousand reviews and averages at 4 stars.

If it's motion detecting, hopefully that will stretch the battery-life.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448948#Comment_121448948

God that sucks.

Thing is I live in a normally good area.

The issue started when they were re-housed here on a temporary basis when their council house was being renovated.

What general area do you live at?

Cherry Orchard by the sounds of it.

Reporting to management company is a correct form of action for the long term good of the estate. I live on an (nice) estate of apartments & housing, we had kids from outside breaking into cars in the underground car park. All reported to local Gardai who always responded and to property management company. Eventually they installed a fully monitored high grade interactive security system which dealt with the problem quite substantially. Ongoing pressure can yield results.

Though it’s a particularly leafy estate with floral plantations etc, one newer block was built in a section for social housing, but there’s not been an issue. I suspect these quiet family tenants are “selected” for suitability to blend in.

RichardAnd

In my experience, the guards will do nothing to address this. This is why things like neighbourhood watches exist, though I would imagine that starting on these days would be hard.

thegame983

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448966#Comment_121448966

Dublin 6, near north circular rd.

Moved away a few years ago. There was a gang shooting across the road one day.

Ezeoul

If they're under 12, the Gardai will do nothing whether you have them on camera or not.

If they're over 12, they won't do much either. Kids these days have no fear of the Gardai. Or cameras.

The best you can hope for is ignore them and they'll eventually get bored and move on to someone else.

I had kids annoying me for a while by banging on the door which got worse when they discovered I had a ring camera over the door. They like being filmed!

They only gave up when they got bored getting no reaction. I used to watch them on the camera running and hiding down behind walls in other gardens to see how I would react.

When I didn't, they stopped.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121449119#Comment_121449119

Makes one wonder just they do do. Go after people for mean tweets?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121449036#Comment_121449036

Moved away a few years ago.

Unfortunately an option that, due to our accommodation crises, is just not available to many at the moment.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121449119#Comment_121449119

If they're over 12, they won't do much either. Kids these days have no fear of the Gardai. Or cameras.

My thinking is simply, have a talk with their parents (or mother, in this case).

That would be sufficient. I believe they've actually just turned 12 this year as they're in secondary school.

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Formerly, when they were in the Focus Ireland setting, their manager was quite clear that if they persisted to be a nuisance, they could and would follow through with removing them from the accommodation.

That's what eventually shut them up. I reported them and they persisted; I believe someone else then reported them subsequently and...... that was it.

Until they moved out.

Now they're coming around for some "pay back" apparently.

In relation to long term council housing and their leverage, I don't know what protocol they'd have in place.

But, Tusla could be the nuclear option?

Simi

I don't know if taking to the parents will help. I tried going down that route and it made it worse if anything, also if there's more than one family involved they might back each other up and try to paint you as the problem.

All you can really do is report incidents, but in my case I decided to move as soon as the opportunity arose.

Thargor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448755#Comment_121448755

Hmmm:

1. The camera only support 2.4G Wifi frequency(5G Mobile phone can work. Just matter to the wifi frequency)

2.If can't connect the camera success, please press the mode key for more than 5 seconds, and connect the camera with the mobile app again.

3. Make sure the camera and wifi router as close as possible.

4. The battery can only support at most 30 minutes without usb cable. If you want to keep it working, please connect the usb to the power, thanks.

Hmmm, dont like the sound of points 3 and 4 for your plan tbh...

No replies to my question on the other one btw.

LilacNails

How often do they come to ur door, early in the evening or late at night?

combat14

get a big beware of the dog sign and see does that work

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450507#Comment_121450507

You need a big dog to back that up, otherwise it's just an empty threat.

In the not always good old days, a few kicks up the hole worked. Now you can't assault a kid, understandably, but the pendulum swung too far the other way. Unfortunately shìtty people tend to breed small shìtty versions of themselves.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450490#Comment_121450490

After school.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121449036#Comment_121449036

Dublin 6 is no where near the North circular road

suvigirl

Bet you would be happy with a few kids just kicking football now OP!

Jesus, the things people complain about. Kids playing football🙄

Well now you know what they do when they don't have anything else to do.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450620#Comment_121450620

No, that was way worse. At least now it's just one ** bang ** and off they run, I have peace for the rest of the evening.

The football went on for hours.

Get a few little scrotes boot a heavy leather football into your living room window whilst you're working, for a few hours each evening....... for weeks on end, months on end, then come back and recite to us "the things people complain about".

Go out and ask them to chill out and they tell you to go f**k your mother and call you a c**t?

Yeah I'm sure you'd be perfectly fine with that, as any reasonable person would.

listermint

Here's the deal OP, your reaction will give them a excuse the pun kick out of it.

Do nothing whatsoever is the best approach, do this for a few weeks. And they'll get bored and move on to something else that gives them a kick.

Genuinely escalating this will do you zero favours. You'll get more traction by going Zen.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450639#Comment_121450639

What makes you so certain of this?

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450645#Comment_121450645

I was a kid once and May have annoyed a neighbour for a bit. Not a proud moment but it didn't last more than a few weeks. Got bored the end .

If you make it more fun they'll not get bored.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450650#Comment_121450650

Were you a scrote kid with a dysfunctional, toxic mother figure and absentie father?

Or a regular civilized one?

road_high

I’ve had this a couple times during schools holidays as I work from home some days - if someone is actually visiting it’s pre arranged or they ring me. My door bell is disabled also. Absolutely no reaction on my part and it’s never escalated. Just ignoring them is the most powerful way. Kids being kids especially chaps of a certain age. It’s as old as time immorial

hamburgham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121445367#Comment_121445367

I don’t see how it is the management company’s responsibility at all. How could they be responsible for preventing someone kicking a door? There was no mention of a main door or gate not closing properly. People have this tendency to think the management company is responsible for everything.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450637#Comment_121450637

Well, as you have found out, kids can be doing a lot worse then kicking a bit of ball around.

if it's not as bad now, in your opinion, then just ignore it.

As you said, it's one kick and then they're gone