Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514428#Comment_123514428

Do you want to have a go at the top 2 questions just to close this out?

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514467#Comment_123514467

Again irrelevant to what i was originally discussing and you appear to be having a discussion to yourself , But thousands .?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514519#Comment_123514519

I just find it interesting how people cannot acknowledge the imbalance when the numbers are freely available.

Here are the numbers of people killed in this "war" since the March 18 ceasefire was broken by Israel.

Gazans = 4,201

IDF = 4

No Israeli civilians have been killed this year to my knowledge.

I won't even mention the West Bank where Israelis are also enjoying a killing spree, including children and pregnant women.

.Donegal.

If Israel was acting above board they’d have no problem allowing journalists in. If you’ve nothing to hide you wouldn’t have a problem with it but they do. With western countries who have been completely spineless suddenly criticising them to a degree it makes me wonder what suddenly changed? Something so depraved for even them to turn a blind eye to.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514664#Comment_123514664

I think it dawned on many western leaders that Israel's claim to be trying to free the hostages and 'defeat Hamas' was and is a barefaced lie by the regime. It became obvious that their real aim is to ethnically cleanse Gaza of all Palestinians.

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514534#Comment_123514534

Of course its imbalanced. Should it be even? Im unsure what the correct answer is here .

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514695#Comment_123514695

It's kinda obvious that the IDF are not taking due care for civilian lives and never ever have. They are required to protect civilians where possible at all times under IHL and Geneva conventions. They seem to have normalised the indiscriminate slaughter for many people. They are no longer even pretending that these murders are military targets, they are just terrorising the civilian population.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514336#Comment_123514336

He was cross-examined yesterday. I'm expecting an update later which I'll share.

He had used the "war" as an excuse to not attend. So seems Israelis in general and/or the judiciary have had enough of his excuse of murdering women and children being way more important than justice.

There's also trouble in the Knesset and possible that he's in political hot water. Hopefully more on that too later.

The situation seems to be imploding for Israel on many fronts.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123512754#Comment_123512754

It's a shame you didn't back up your claim, but as I posted, I'm not surprised in the slightest. The fact you posted it when everyone knows WH press conferences are notoriously fact-averse was a dead giveaway.

But I get the sense the post was an attempt at a "gotcha". Seems to have prematurely exploded leaving egg everywhere.

So that's a big fat zero for credibility.

"The BBC has rejected incorrect White House criticism of its Gaza coverage, describing a claim it had taken down a story as "completely wrong".

At Tuesday's White House briefing, President Trump's press secretary Karoline Leavitt accused the BBC of taking "the word of Hamas" when reporting on the number of people killed in a shooting near an aid distribution site on Sunday.

She also claimed, wrongly, that the BBC had retracted a story.

"The claim the BBC took down a story after reviewing footage is completely wrong. We did not remove any story and we stand by our journalism," the BBC said in a statement."

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123513311#Comment_123513311

They are disgusting excuses for human beings. Sociopaths that have turned lying into a virtue.

However, while these debates are pointless to a certain extent, their lies need to be exposed continually because there are too many out there that will lap them up if these bastards are let spew their falsehoods unopposed.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514695#Comment_123514695

Correct answer is....

Genocide.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514740#Comment_123514740

There's also trouble in the Knesset and possible that he's in political hot water. Hopefully more on that too later.

If memory serves I think Netanyahu was in political trouble for something a few years ago and then Hamas attacked the festival which turned him into a war-time prime minister in the eyes of his people. Hamas could somewhat turn the Israeli public opinion on him by releasing the remaining hostages, would be no harm either

Cluedo Monopoly

I was listening to Brendan O'Connor's newspaper panel from Sunday and he was talking about how respected middle east commentators and former Israeli negotiators (e.g Aaron David Miller) are saying that Hamas is so degraded now that they have no control over Gaza. It appears that there are now 18 different factions in Gaza controlling the various neighbourhoods. Refer to 28:30 on his podcast.

They also agreed that Netanyahu was an evil person and there will never be peace while he is PM. I think the world realises that now and his days are numbered.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514969#Comment_123514969

Reports on the BBC today of lawlessness and "gangs" in Gaza.

I guess when you are at the base level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you'll do anything for you and your family to survive.

It is a very desperate situation. Netanyahu and Likud are monsters as are those who support them.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514787#Comment_123514787

Yes. That's a good point. Nathasa, of UK Lawyers for Israel, is the latest to expose herself on Piers Morgan. Morgan called her out on her "bullshit" several times

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514739#Comment_123514739

Just again to clarify . Are you talking to me or yourself ?

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514840#Comment_123514840

What this got to do with me and why write it under my post ?

dmcdona

Remember when pro-Israeli posts here queried whether Israel was committing Genocide and if it was, they were pretty s**t at it?

I do.

Interesting to note that very few of those posts surface these days. I wonder why? Perhaps because they are doing a great job of it now?

Gazans are receiving just half the bare minimum required for survival.

dmcdona

The BBC live page is a brutal read today. The situation is utterly desperate. Every item is either about civilians killed in airstrikes (Israel bombed a school shelter), those killed close to aid centres (IDF confirms they fired shots) or the utter lack of aid getting through to those who are able. If you are a child, disabled or elderly, you have zero chance of getting aid unless you have family who will bring it back to you.

Utterly desperate times. Shame on Israel.

"Gaza has become worse than hell on Earth, according to the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), Mirjana Spoljaric.

Speaking in a BBC interview at the ICRC headquarters in Geneva, Spoljaric says humanity is failing. States are not doing enough to end the war, end the suffering of Palestinians and release Israeli hostages, she adds.

Palestinians, she says, have been stripped of human dignity. International humanitarian law is being hollowed out.

What is happening in Gaza, she says, surpasses any acceptable legal, moral and humane standard."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvg5vyp33j1t

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515119#Comment_123515119

Piers Morgan himself seems taken aback at the level of hatred and vitriol being sent in his direction today. Supporters of Israel cannot stand seeing the regime being heavily criticised, least of all by someone with 9m followers on social media. They are beside themselves with rage today.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515141#Comment_123515141

To you. I quoted you.

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515316#Comment_123515316

Why ? It's not relevant to anything I said .

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515145#Comment_123515145

What on earth are you talking about?

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515223#Comment_123515223

If you check out the BBC live page I posted earlier, you'll hear an interview on Radio 4 today from yesterday. It was posted at 11:48 3rd June on the Live page.

Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister just launched into a tirade of typical denial, deflection, something something Hamas.

Its very tiresome. But very telling.

"The Israel Defense Forces denied its troops fired at civilians near or within the site. The GHF said the reports were "outright fabrications".

The denial was repeated again this morning by Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharren Haskel, who accused the media of "spreading" Hamas "lies" during a combative exchange on BBC Radio 4's Today programme. She rejected the idea that targeting people collecting aid was a "daily routine"."

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515347#Comment_123515347

Not a shred of evidence has been offered by the regime that anyone other the IDF massacred the civilians on different days : no videos, drone footage, nothing. Their denial seems to amount to "It wasn't us Guv, you've got to trust us on this one."

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515337#Comment_123515337

You replied to my post . Or do you know when where you are rambling

dmcdona

The disgust at the Israeli campaign continues apace. Every day there are more reports of direct concrete action being taken to disassociated from Israel and horrors it is perpetrating in the ME. People really are making their voices heard now after 607 days of this conflict - the highest price paid by civilians - particularly women and children. With a lot more to come unfortunately.

RTE:

"The governing body of Trinity College Dublin has voted to cease links with Israeli organisations with immediate effect. It means that TCD will not sign up to future exchange or research agreements with Israeli institutions, no longer use Israeli suppliers and divest from Israeli companies. Current research partnerships and contracts will be honoured but not renewed."

"Irish actor Liam Cunningham has said that the "greatest argument for neutrality" is what is going on now in Gaza, which he said was "a genocide". Mr Cunningham attended the launch of a small vessel carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza in Italy last Sunday. Climate campaigner Greta Thunberg is part of the 12-person team onboard the Madleen.

Mr Cunningham said it was never intended that he would be on the boat, given its small size, and said it was; "loaded with the stuff that the Tel Aviv regime will not allow into Gaza. So, it's got crutches, it's got antibiotics, baby formula, it's even got a 3D-printed prosthetic baby's arm.""

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2025/0604/1516711-trinity-college-cuts-ties-with-israeli-organisations/

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0604/1516670-pbp-neutrality/

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515319#Comment_123515319

It was and I think I got my point across even if you want to ignore it. Thanks.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515419#Comment_123515419

Nope still no clue what your on about

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514778#Comment_123514778

@political analyst - you might comment on the above post?

You'd be well to check out the following link before you do - Ros Atkins clearly explains the WH press interview and the BBC response to all the points raised (misrepresentation and untruths).

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c9wgq9vv51do