Deposit return scheme (recycling)

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915596#Comment_121915596

And there are plenty like you - but nowhere near enough to make this scheme anywhere near as successful (by the standards defined by the scheme itself)

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915623#Comment_121915623

But it's my few quid, I don't want to be paying a glorified tax, I already pay enough.

Ya I've used numerous machines and yet to have a single problem.

Ya might as well get with the program anyway, if there isn't a high enough uptake, they'll just keep increasing the deposit. It ain't going away unfortunately.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914215#Comment_121914215

I'm quietly quitting. All going in the general waste now.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121914853#Comment_121914853

It seems clear to me that most posters on this thread are not ready to reduce their consumption of plastic.

This scheme is not about reducing anything.

People will do what is convenient primarily.

The primary factor for high participation rates for any recycling scheme is convenience. Multiple studies on it.

Now of course we have ripped our convenient system out of the system and replaced it with 10s of millions of separate polluting trash deposit journeys.

If you are asked to devise a more inconvenient scheme relative to what we have you would come up with Re-Turn.

It's hamster maze levels of stupidity.

As for people reducing their plastic consumption, why would they? They might have had some chance if cans were not included in the scheme (cash grab), but if they have to go anyway, why bother?

SteM

Do the people who are posting things like 'it's all going in the black bin now' not have a recycle bin that they are getting as part of their bin service? Would they not just continue to use the recycle bin instead of the general waste bin even if they don't want to engage with the new system?

Champagne Sally

For me, it's just another task on my endless list of tasks to do as a busy full time working Mam. I'm already stressed out and it's a pain in the h*le for me to do this when I was quite happily using my recycle bin for all this stuff.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915677#Comment_121915677

Because they're not actually doing that, and are just saying something to look edgy

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915677#Comment_121915677

The chance of a can or bottle been placed in ones recycle bin being recycled is probably virtually zero because of this scheme.

Subsidy and economies of scale are gone. So they will probably end up incinerated or landfilled.

So the reality is it doesn't really matter what bin it goes into anymore, does it? Doesn't really matter that they go in a RVM either because we don't have the facilities to recycle at scale and they will continue to be exported and burnt.

Given the cheer leaders of this scheme are telling us it is cans and bottles that is destroying other recyclable material it's probably more environmental to chuck them in general waste.

Of course that requires critical thought which gets relegated when their is a new green logo to clap to.

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915685#Comment_121915685

Fair enough. If my 11yo going to do this this I'd tell him to stop being so petulant and cop-on to be honest, but you do you.

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915881#Comment_121915881

Absolutely, as I said you do you.

ELM327

Went in to tesco yesterday for a few bits. Brought 4 monster cans from the car for the RVM. All were purchased after 1st feb and had a deposit paid. All 4 were rejected by barcode. No bin beside the machine for rejects so I left them on top of the machine.

This is the third time I tried the machines. Two times with big bags of cans, only a few worked and 75% didnt - this time none worked. I've changed and am putting all cans in the black bin now as a kind of petulant protest.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915672#Comment_121915672

Actually, Im now consuming more plastic bottles, because a 2 litre bottle with a 25 cent deposit, is a lot less than 6 cans for the same volume, costing me a 90 cent deposit. I preferred cans due to freshness, but I can live with it.

A national strategy for reducing single use plastic would achieve an awful lot more. I have noticed tesco adopting this where they can. Own brand beef mince nolonger comes in a plastic box, but in a shrink wrap bag. It may not be a big reduction but takes up a lot less space in the green bin, and the freezer.

I suspect the reason they didnt do that because its harder to track from a numbers point of view. With the DRS they can congratulate themselves on a successful scheme because of the numbers available - despite not including the context that it is currently far from a successful scheme.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915886#Comment_121915886

Petulant is the right word.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915677#Comment_121915677

I have a recycle bin and was fastidious in using it. My current position is one of "fuckin' sick of it at this stage".

yoyo

As a way to avoid this nonsense I am going to purchase a Sodastream to make carbonated water and drinks. You can make up Cola and 7-Up, even tonics using it and checking Youtube reviews in blind taste tests they are nearly all identical. It can be quite cheap as apparently the sodastream canisters can be refilled cheaply. Big thread about it on here too.

As my tap water isn't great, I can still by the 5L bottles of water and can avoid this farcical nonsense of wandering around looking for a working machine lugging a bag of empty rubbish. I don't drive, so throwing them into the boot isn't an option for me.

jj880

A lot of single stock cans and plastic bottles appearing in NI. Multipacks wont be far behind Id say.

L1011

Another 260 locations on the map.

One of the two I knew were missing is there. The SuperValu it is beside has vanished!

The other one, which I've used repeatedly, is still missing

Someone in re-turn is very, very bad at maintaining that map.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916798#Comment_121916798

Just the same as the below. I wonder if this attitude is going to be more prevalent. The machines don't fooking work! I tried multiple times

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916886#Comment_121916886

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121917110#Comment_121917110

It's great because the soft drinks and alcohol are much cheaper up there and you then have the choice to make them even cheaper by encashing the deposit or just feck them in the green/black bin as you didn't pay the deposit to begin with. Never thought I'd be considering doing a fizzy drinks run to the north 😁

downtheroad

My local Centra has installed a machine. This morning the bin outside the store was absolutely wedged, to the point of overflowing and then some morons decided to just leave their rubbish on top of it. I've never seen it like this, so will put it down to the Return machine not working properly and people using the bin more than often. On the back of this green policy there is now excess rubbish floating around the streets because the public bins are overflowing.

At a Lidl the other day I saw the frustrated manager getting called over several times to fix the Return machine which wasn't processing refunds for frustrated customers.

This system is crap. Pure crap. What was wrong with the green bins we used up until now?

Tow

Tried the machines in Tesco Nutgrove and it would not accept half the items, all had tax paid on them and some even the logo.

~3 quid lost.

Masala

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121917405#Comment_121917405

Same here.... bought a bale of their 330 ml waters x 24 bottles. They they only water bottles in the house - and on returning same 4-5 of teh bale wont scan. So had to give up. Not fair really.....

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Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121918039#Comment_121918039

So where does one go with these items that a deposit has been paid on? Post Office?

BoardsBottler

i had a strange deposit return/RVM related experience today involving the gardai and even the loss of a sale for a business thanks to this DRS scheme. As juicy as i'd like to make this story for everyone reading, i'm not really sure where to begin or how to word it. Other than saying 2 gardai on their lunch break helped me put a bunch of bottles into an RVM and said its good to see people out recycling and talking random stuff about it. During the convo i told them they should go and arrest the re-turn CEO for theft, robbery and extortion or blackmail due to forcing this deposit tax on the public. One just laughed while the other said "we don't deal with stuff like that". One of them took a picture of me holding up a bottle at the machine while the other is helping dig through my bag (picture may appear on the gardai social media in the next coming days so look out! i think one of them said it was for twitter or facebook or something).

Also separate story but happened much later in the day, i went into a nearby news agents asking to buy a bottle of flavored water (some fruit flavor) and the cashier told me it costs €2.75. i put it back and told the cashier i'll be back later to buy it. i went around the corner to cash in one of my deposit return vouchers for €2.80, i came back to the news agents after cashing it in so i could buy it as i did'nt have money on me previously. There was a different cashier now serving, when i brought the bottle up to pay and they scanned it they asked for €3 and i had mentioned what the previous cashier said, being €2.75. The new cashier said it's €3 including the deposit!

Needless to say as i only had 2.80 they lost the sale, but not before i chanced my luck asking if he'd just take the €2.80 lol. unfortunately not. This is one instance and an example where this new inconvenient deposit return scheme actually caused a shop to lose out on a sale. All Thanks to this 25 cent deposit!

Also i thought of an idea the DRS scheme should do. They should have a prizes for xnumber of recycling redeems. Like if someone reaches 100 recycled units within half a year, or 1000 overall total returns, they should be awarded with some sort of special card to show retailers when buying drinks so that they are exempt from paying a deposit on them. Would be hilarious and also a nice thing to see in the scheme, a nice incentive to get people recycling. Also i'm not 100% sure on this but i believe the gardai are also exempt from paying deposits on re-turn containers. I still need to find out more on this, and how true the claim actually is. I've heard it from 3 people already so far, but need something more solid than just words from the mouth.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121917317#Comment_121917317

Im gona buy everything in the North. I'll see if my son whos 14 is even arsed with this nonsense. My guess is he'll give it a go but once he sees how shambolic it is that'll be that. It will all go in the black bin but at least as you say there'll be no deposit paid.