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Deposit return scheme (recycling)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I suspect it's to allow RVMs to be able to operate without a constant internet connection. A data centre could, in theory, go down but the machine can still work. Also important for machines in rural shops which might have flakey internet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭SteM


    I don't understand, if the voucher refund is based on a barcode what has internet connectivity got to do with shops accepting voucher from other shops?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The barcode gets printed by the machine but redeemed at the till so there needs to be some form of data communication between the machine and the till so that the till knows how much to give. Under the current system an internal link is all that is needed between the RVM and the till but if it was to be redeemable in every store you'd need a constant internet connection so the RVMs can update every till in the scheme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭SteM


    So every barcode that's generated by the RVM is sent to the tills in that particular shop via hardwire straight away so the voucher can be used there? Are you certain about this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,951 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    CEO Ciarán Foley coming up on Newstalk before 5pm. He wants your marvellous compliments on the DRS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭TokTik


    One of the sops to retailers in this scheme was that the voucher could only be used in their store so they’d make more money. Nothing to do with the environment or the customer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,951 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Now on NT: Unclaimed refunds go towards 'running the DRS scheme'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭jj880


    Bulk return RVMs should be added (not just considered) beside local bottle banks and refund to IBAN. This would also encourage people to recycle more glass and food tins. Big opportunity missed (so far) through gombeenery. The money is there. Must be well into the 10s of millions unclaimed deposits by now.

    Home deliveries exempt also. Still let the containers reclaim a deposit if so desired. Why not? Wouldn't this encourage less 1 car journeys to shops? The environment and customer closely followed by shop staff are last for consideration in this scheme. Its comical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭jj880


    This joker keeps saying people aren't claiming deposits because they "dont want to" 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You can't trust a word that comes out of that lying weasels* mouth. Total spoofer, treating the public with contempt, and that is reflected in the shambles of a scheme rollout we have here.

    *Comparison unfair to weasels

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    This is literally gold mine. I went to my local recycling centre where I bring all stuff we separate once a month. While I was dumping plastic bottles in appropriate container I seen about 20+ bottles with re-turn logo on the bottom. They will get compressed with other bottles and money will be distributed between re-turn owners and shareholders.

    While it is a fault of the people who do not bother returning them for refund honestly I do not blame them considering having to put the same bottle in for like 5-6 times till it is accepted or finding machines switched off or too crowded may simply put them off trying again.

    The only beneficiary of this scheme is re-turn company. Just another stealth tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    He was right about unclaimed deposits going towards the running costs of the scheme. If that was reported here correctly. We all know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭Archeron


    The money we are stealing from you will be used to fund us, to ensure we can continue stealing from you into the future.

    So if they collect minimum 750k per day in deposits, and recent admission that one in five isn't accepted. Pretend every single one was returned, bar the one in five. Thats 150k a day, or nearly fifty five million euro a year in takings. Then add the many, many people who are not partaking which i would guess will be multiples more, and i wonder how does it cost ths much to run a company.

    Maybe they have a diamond powered bullsh-t machine.

    Considering the company doesnt provide the machine, service the machine, staff the machine, provide the collection trucks or drivers, run the trucks, recycle the materials or reply to customers or even provide a correct map of RVMs, thats a healthy turnover and profit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭SteM


    So you disagree with Red Siluians understanding of the system then? I do too but he/she seems pretty sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Why do I keep getting notification of new messages here but there is nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,048 ✭✭✭standardg60


    NT was an utter sh1tshow, the whole scheme is a set up between the DRS company and the retailers to benefit both. There will be no machines at recycling centres because you can't redeem the voucher there. Instead the 'hope' is that a charity will pay to provide one but they will get all the deposits.

    Whole thing is an utter scam for me, the way he sneered at green bin recycling as being a failure cos it only reached 55% return said it all, he'll be lucky to match it. Seemingly it's a not for profit company, but if the scheme runs at a 100% return rate the company would be completely unviable. So the 'target' is 90%, and the less the better.

    I was in a pub recently which served soft drinks in cans and was politely told that I was free to bring them with me to redeem the deposit. Who's going to do that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,951 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Someone posted up a receipt barcode here before. The amounts involved were clearly encoded in the string of numbers. No need for integration into the till system from that perspective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,052 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Has anyone got 2 vouchers issued by the same shop for the very same amount and compared the barcodes on them, are they the very same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    There are many designers/manufacturers of RVMs & their associated digital tools & APIs . I took a look at this one:

    Worth a read. It can be a very high end integrated online system at its best, and pretty much everything that was suggested here that is within the potential capabilities of an RVM system CAN be done. I had very much thought so. It’s just that Ireland is not doing it, and seems to have invested in very low end standalone systems with limited reporting capabilities.

    For anyone to say that some posters’ suggestions are “nonsense” or words to that effect, well it is clear from my reading of this company’s software and hardware capabilities that said posters are spot on that such capabilities exist and are used elsewhere. Rather similar, in ways, to the integrated national public system we have throughout Ireland where you can borrow a book in Tralee and return it to Letterkenny.. very complex logistics apply, and with rather a lot of vans running around the country day and night servicing such capability.

    Our ReTurn system COULD have real time public info on the machines plus a lot more. Maybe it will in the future. In fact I think it is inevitable as people won’t put up with 1990s type automation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭SteM


    There's a barcode on the vouchers created by the RVM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,757 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    The reality is that the Irish system was set up to limit non compliant bottles, like those made before the implementation of those from foreign sources.

    They put so much effort into limiting the machines (at massive cost) that they've fucked up the bits they needed to get right.

    This is an exercise in big business and greed, not a positive move for climate change, recycling or care for our environment...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,926 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Headed to Aldi. Out of order. Apparently when someone was putting in their cans the plastic bag they were using somehow managed to get caught up in the belt and jammed the mechanism 🤔.

    Moved to Lidl. 15 cans accepted. It wouldn't take another four and a bottle no matter what I did. All were in perfect condition and in scope.

    They ended up stuffed into the full rubbish bin outside the door as I needed the bag for my shopping.



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Quay_Koncept


    Im kinda warming to this new return arrangement, I have not had any cans rejected only a few old ones that were not Return, (must of been sitting in house ages)

    One interesting thing I have noticed thou, I walk along the canal quite regularly and theres always cans thrown around, ditches and in water. I have noticed a dramatic decrease in the last month or so. I went for a walk there this morning and didt find 1 can! Normally on a sunday morning there would be a few thrown about.

    I just dont like the fact you have to bring them back to the shop you bought them in, I would like if you could for instance take it to your local recycling center and have the option to get your credit there while also dropping back my glass for recycling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭SteM


    You don't have to bring them back to the shop you bought them in, you can bring them back to any shop that accepts returns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Quay_Koncept


    Has anyone seen anyone trying the old string on the can trick? I assume it doesnt work of course as there would be a sensor that detected that no product had arrived further down the track!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Some AH and CA threads have gone wonky... has been flagged on helpdesk

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    There was one report on RTE that this had happened, don’t know of the veracity but I imagine that not all RVMs are equal in technology &/or application of software. Another report said some outlets had to buy new machines. I guess “cheap” ones weren’t actually fit for purpose and lacked sine checks along the way. I don’t know how ReTurn apply criteria for machines & software to pass muster, I’m guessing checks weren’t properly implemented in the first place.

    When I say I believe this system will improve considerably over time does not mean I approve of it, just to be clear about that 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is a lot of information on the Re-Turn site. I find that putting a word/phrase into the search box leads to many more menus than are on the front page. Some people who are looking for answers here could use the facility. This one is only up to 28 March, but gives interesting details. Wherever they got the map it shows Offaly (Kings) and Laois (Queens) in the county names.

    https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/Managing-the-Transition-Period-Payment-of-Handling-Fees-Presentation.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    Not exactly true. You do if you buy a 12 pack of coke cans in lidl, with no return logo on them but are charged a deposit. Lidl say return them back to their shop only as barcodes aren't accepted in the machines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭SteM


    I was replying to the OP who said they had brought them back to an RVM without issue. If that RVM took them then any RVM would have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    Kings & Queens counties to clarify it for The Mainland 🤣 authorities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,757 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    False alarm.

    Everyone knows Offaly is aka "The Faithful County" 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,711 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Transitional so the original point is still true

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Quay_Koncept


    I actually did this with some Multipack Lidl freeway brand coke and the machine would not accept them, they were older cans, i tried a good few times but the machine would not take them.

    Is there a reason this system is not done also with glass? I see lots of glass get thrown in black bins which is a shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Saw a man doing it in a motorway service station yesterday. I was sitting at a table with a clear view of him. First i was wondering what he was doing. I thought he was jumping mad at the machine and was smiling to myself at his frustration.

    Then i noticed what he was doing and stood up for a closer look and followed his process as he did it.

    So here is what he was doing. I was about 10 ft away and there was another guy standing beside him so the best i could see.

    He had an empty can with a piece of fishing line on it. He would put the can in. And as the slider opened and the can dropped in, he jerked the can back very fast out of the machine. He repeated this at least 30 or 40 times and then printed his receipt. He handed the can to the other guy and he was still doing it as we were leaving.

    Staff passed them several times while i was watching and none of them seemed bothered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,988 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You get 75% of your money back and Re-Chit-Chit keep 25%.

    What you do with the items you can't deposit is not their problem. Thrown in a hedge or squeezed into a bin. They don't care. Why would they?

    You lose, the environment loses and Re-Turn wins. That is all that is important.

    That's what this scam is, we all just have to accept it now.

    Obey the new Logo!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭tohaltuwi


    I believe the machines are supposed to be designed track the passage of items into the storage area, but I would believe some “entry level models” lack such sophistication and I imagine these are the ones that are being replaced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭NeinNeinNein




  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭purplefields


    I was at the bottle bank this morning disposing of my glass bottles and cans and noticed that the drinks can bank was almost full. I must remember to crush my cans before bringing them to the bottle bank.

    I've given up using plastic bottles as a result of this scheme, but others in my household still use tin cans for their drinks.

    A way to improve the system is to have a plastic bottle bank next to the glass bottle banks. I'd use that.

    It's almost like the DRS was designed as a sop to the plastics manufacturers so they can continue their oil based single use plastics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭byrnefm


    Apologies if this has been asked already (it's a long thread :-) ) but is this DRS scheme effectively banning all foreign sodas and drinks that are in bottles or cans? Most foreign firms are hardly going to get special barcodes just for Ireland... I'm thinking of the likes of Asian Supermarkets and the like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Is this not illegal?

    If they're not part of official scheme Lidl should not be charging a deposit, even in the transition period.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Quite simply the biggest scam ever seen on this island



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,414 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    The thread is totally out of Sync again on Desktop FF

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    I am very surprised at the lack of exceptions in the scheme/legislation, the departures area of airports is an obvious place that should have been excepted. There was someone on Radio na Gaeltachta the other day saying that the offshore Islands should have been excepted which is probably fair as I doubt it would ever be viable for a shop on Tory island to invest in a machine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,851 ✭✭✭✭kippy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Maybe this comment pushes the thread to the next page so I can read the 30 previous comments



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