US Presidential Election 2024 - Primary Debates, News, Etc.

For Forks Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121368427#Comment_121368427

I'm never complaing about the Healy-Raes again, they look like world leading statesmen in comparison with that hillbilly

Overheal

Colbert's response of it was hilarious. Bit of sly edit and shortening of the clip to make it less obvious it was fisticuffs:

https://youtu.be/koPmZ0VSUk8?si=lPLJZOZylXPcEVx7&t=462

at timestamp

(full context reported after punchline, he's not a hack)

Beau's take was a little more country southern and worth noting also, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hC9FHhRKVE

Agent Coulson

So Niki Haley said if she becomes president she would....

1) Take the US out of The United Nations Human Rights Council

2) Withdraw The US from The World Health Organzation

3) Defund The United Nations.

The Republicans eh.

randd1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121375105#Comment_121375105

I'd imagine the idea of not funding the UN, an organisation which contains many nations openly hostile to the US, would appeal to a lot of Americans of either side. And I'm sure there's plenty of Americans, and likely a lot of Republicans, that would be of the opinion foreigners shouldn't have American money to sort out their own problems while Americans need money.

She might actually be on a vote getter there, given the current political climate in the US.

And to be honest, the UN is looking more and more like a farcical and toothless organisation by the day, which arguably helps her point if you look at it from her view.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121375105#Comment_121375105

This lot make the isolationist types of the 30s seem like sober, rational individuals. It's shocking how far the GOP has abandoned old principles for this ludicrous... ... whatever the F you call it

silliussoddius

It's an easy sell for her; everyone calls us stupid Americans but they still want our funding.

Of course it's not all altruistic, also hilarious how it was only a few election cycles ago that the UN was target of the pro Iraq War brigade (GOP virtue signalers) and the party is now almost beholden to someone who ran against the Iraq War.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376839#Comment_121376839

Fascism.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121377047#Comment_121377047

At this stage, it has become somewhat undeniable. Jan 6th should have been a reckoning yet instead key cohorts have simply gone all-in on the fascism.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121377076#Comment_121377076

It's so blatant, that at this point they're looking to do for fascism what they did for racism etc. in 2016: make it popular, down with the "politically correct" etc.

2024 as absurd as it sounds will be much like the Ohio abortion vote the other week, with Republicans asking voters to vote for a new system of government that doesn't respect the vote they're asking them for. And don't be shocked when you see people just throwing their hands up and saying 'yeah, **** it, let's do it' there's already enough of them who unironically and proudly acknowledge its a cult.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121375105#Comment_121375105

They are now in a race to the bottom. Looked at some of the last debate and sweet Christ, none of them had any real clue about what to say.

It is just rehashed Trumpisms all over. And if the recent elections in the US are to point towards anything, it's that voters don't really care for that stuff anymore.

Overheal

Santos gives up the shame-free shtick after an ethic report came back scarlett, showing that not just was he a pathological liar, you know, "Jew-ish" etc. but -- using campaign funds for personal OnlyFans subscriptions. Not in this report but one OF user on twitter reported posted her receipts showing he spent $435,621.13 on her (@soogz1). Claims to have rated his private parts.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ken-buck-favors-expelling-george-santos-if-he-doesnt-resign-before-thanksgiving/

Claims he will not seek re-election, Congress might be planning to expel him sooner but who knows.

"$4,127.80 purchase at Hermes; and for smaller purchases at Only Fans" reported here:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/george-santos-allegedly-spent-campaign-funds-on-onlyfans-botox/

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121377770#Comment_121377770

You'd certainly hope the recent local elections point towards national mood, cos those polls astound that Trump leads - even if contextually it's not that surprising either. You'd like to think as campaigns kick off in earnest the polls will tighten once the rubber hits the road & voters realise what the alternative to Biden truly is. I know some folk here still talk of Democrats' or The Left's complacency, but I really can't see it happening; Trump and MAGA hasn't mellowed & The Left managed to hold their nose once already - they can do it again.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121380920#Comment_121380920

Polls really don't mean much at this point (not saying that you are implying that). I do agree that once they properly kick off, we will see the true landscape.

The recent ones point towards voters being over the whole "stolen" election and conspiracy carry on, any that ran on that lost, and most who Trump endorsed lost as well.

Plenty can, and will, happen before the election.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121380920#Comment_121380920

Can hold their nose again if it’s much smellier out there and at the moment it’s sounding very Mein Kampf

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121377076#Comment_121377076

It seems that it doesn't really matter how much we learn from history - there isn't really a lot you can do about a whole bunch of people deciding to become unreasonable and essentially normalising that unreasonableness among themselves. You could write a vast sociological thesis on why something like MAGA happens with maybe a few reasons being austerity, a new technological vector for disinformation, certain chronic cultural issues like American exceptionalism, and find some absolutely striking parallels with historical rises of Fascistic movements. One would be the exaggeration of an enemy that they need to defeat - Hitler said it was the Communists. Trump says it's, well, also the Communists, but Communists posing as Democrats. Who are also Marxist and far left. Really gilding the lily, there, as far as bilge is concerned... And don't forget that the Proud Boys (emotionally incontinent men with big beard oil collections) justify their existence as an antidote to Antifa. That's Antifa, which stands for Anti-Fascist, which Trump is always sure to pronounce as An-TEE-fa, which serves deliberately or accidentally as a way to abstract it from the actual meaning of the name. And that's before you get to the Proud Boys/Brown Shirts parallels, and their active role in storming the Capitol building on 6/1, 2021.

There's no point, in a way, to call Trump's movement fascistic. The first reason is that it in no way discourages Trumpism. There would be no point where they stop, "Jesus, yeah, I suppose I was acting like and/or supporting a wannabe fascist". At best, it just gets a defensive, "no, u" response. And for those who call it fascist, it achieves little except for a sense of moral superiority. Unfortunately, the word is thrown around so much that the alarm has kind of been wrung out of it, making it not very effective as a rallying cry, imo. Trumpism will just have to be met head on and defeated every time it tries to take over.

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121380920#Comment_121380920

The issue is that the Republicans have engineered the system to largely insulate themselves from the consequences of their governance. They have the State Assemblies so gerrymandered in their favor that it's a mountain for Democrats to overturn. Without federal legislation to break the deadlock, I'm doubtful anything will change until the Republican voter base dies off.

Agent Coulson

The Koch's are putting their money and influence behind Nikki Haley.

She has some powerful backers now.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/28/politics/koch-network-nikki-haley/index.html#:~:text=The%20influential%20network%20associated%20with,primary%2C%20the%20group%20announced%20Tuesday.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121429343#Comment_121429343

I think she could run Biden very close, if not beat him outright.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121377076#Comment_121377076

does using the word fascism mean you have run out of words? can you define fascism in a way that makes sense and backs up what you are saying?

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121429366#Comment_121429366

She has not a chance in the primary. The data for so long has said the 2nd favorite candidate of Trump and RDS is the other person .

RDS could drop out tomorrow and his base won't go to Haley, then what are you left with? Some stragglers from the Christie team and erm Asa Hutschinson? LOL. Then of course for all her supposed momentum she is still trailing RDS despite having taking no incoming fire from Trump, what do the donors think happens when Trump decides to nuke her campaign?

It reminds me of 2016, the man to beat Trump was Cruz because for all his flaws he was more in tune with the GOP base than anyone else but the donor's could not bring themselves to and instead threw money at Rubio and Kasich and when Trump won stood around and went "how did that happen?"

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121429343#Comment_121429343

She won't get anywhere though. Even if she were to win the nomination, she'd lose the MAGA demographic.

Agent Coulson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432478#Comment_121432478

I do think privately the majority of Republicans would take another lose if it meant the end of Trump and MAGA of course they will never say it out loud.

MAGA as a major force doesn't really exist without Trump and I doubt Trump will run again in 2028 if he loses next year.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121432519#Comment_121432519

Donors may want to move on from Trump but we have seen very little that suggests that their voters do unfortunately.

Agent Coulson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121433061#Comment_121433061

The voters are voting for Trump not the Republican party and without Trump MAGA doesn't have anyone with his presence or charisma to lead them and have the voters follow.

MAGA politicians have lots of loud empty voices and who are totally deferential to Trump however they show no real leadership and are only hanging on Trump's coat tails to keep themselves in the news.

I think the only way MAGA survivors after Trump is if the can find another Trump and right now I can't see one out there anyway.

ancapailldorcha

Donors want to win at the end of the day or their donations are wasted. Trump may win but it's far from a sure thing, particularly when the Democrats start campaigning. The problem with the GOP embracing MAGA is that MAGA is now a ball and chain. Abandoning it will consign the party to electoral irrelevance until Trump dies, at which point they may slowly deradicalise (in GOP terms).

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121433186#Comment_121433186

Worth nothing with this in mind that Democrat's fundraising is nearly double what Republicans are

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4321630-democrats-nearly-double-republicans-in-october-fundraising/

m2_browning

US economy is on absolute tear, growth last quarter was 5.2 not 5% ( they added an economy size of Ireland in a quarter)

The democrats should be singing this from top of roofs as well as record employment

everlast75

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1730415825981423710?s=20

I'd like to report a murder....

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121440645#Comment_121440645

It was absolute carnage by the account I read.

But why is Newsom debating him?

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121445299#Comment_121445299

Newsom and RDS have been baiting each other for years and both wanted it for profile reasons. RDS needs as much publicity as he can with his campaign struggling and Newsom wants to raise his profile in case something happens Biden and obviously with an eye on 2028. Both are pally with Hannity which made it easy to set up.

Regarding the debate, not sure either "won" , De Santis was a mess on abortion and Newsom ducked early questions.

Both got their talking points out and had "gotcha" moments which would have gone viral in their respective echo chambers so by that measure neither lost. It won't salvage the RDS campaign but after a brutal week with donor's going to Haley and personal changes in his team he couldn't afford to get stomped so small wins etc.