Niger

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120964666#Comment_120964666

It’s interesting how post coup governments are referred to as juntas if they are anti western but not if they are pro western.

Yurt2

The NATO and coaltion (incl. Arab states) airstrikes absolutely cooked Gaddafi's forces with minimal civilian casualties given the size and scale of the sorties ran. It was about as clean as it gets. The "arming of Islamic extremists" is more guff. As per Gatling's post France provided minimal materiel to a Berber group of rebels (not Islamic extremists as you allege).

This is the absolute same trajectory as the Ukraine and Sudan threads by the way. As soon is it comes into focus that Russia is up to its eyeballs in f*ckery in a country, the wHAt ABouT LIbYA/IrAQ? nonsense gets wheeled-out. Because apparently the Kremlin is owed a free-pass in commiting disgusting acts all around the map in 2023 because the US screwed up two decades ago.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058308839/niger

I remember you from the Russia thread urging both sides to stop fighting and come to some kind of settlement.

No surprise to see you attacking France and the West here and conveniently ignoring the role of Russia and Wagner.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967421#Comment_120967421

No. The word junta has a literal meaning: A military directed government, typically after unconstitutionally seizing the institutions of the state. Which this is a textbook case of.

wHAt AbOuT?

Dohnjoe

So the coup leaders seem to be motivated by more than "good intentions", they have Bazoum under house arrest and have cut off electricity to his house, according to his daughter, the leader is living off a gas stove and eating paste/rice, and has no running water.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/11/niger-captive-leader-losing-weight-in-inhumane-conditions-daughter-reveals-mohamed-bazoum

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967462#Comment_120967462

No. A junta isn’t necessarily a military government. Just one that has taken power without by force, not by election. Can’t think of any recent pro western examples referred to as a junta.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967551#Comment_120967551

You're wrong and you're clattering yourself. A junta is a military directed government that has suspended the constitutional order of the state, and I spoonfed you examples demonstrating why you're wrong.

You don't have any standing to call anyone cluelees when being so demonstrably wrong.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967562#Comment_120967562

And you continue.

“Im right and I know I’m right.”

What “standing” do you have? Please elaborate.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967586#Comment_120967586

The standing I have is that a junta is a military government delivered by coup and a military government delivered by coup is a junta. I don't need to be told I'm right and you're wrong. That's plain to anyone reading this.

You're griping about a junta being called a junta. The reason being is Russia is up to its neck in this and you're an apologist for Putinism.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967429#Comment_120967429

Id say screwed up is slightly under playing their part in the destruction of Iraq and the following death toll of that intervention based on complete fantasy.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967641#Comment_120967641

Most of the deaths in Iraq were Iraqi vs Iraqi blood letting with more helpful hand from Iran

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967636#Comment_120967636

What are you talking about? Can you show me anywhere I have mentioned Russia or Putin in this thread?

Anti west coup bad, pro west coup good. Is that your analysis, given your “standing”?

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967657#Comment_120967657

At the risk of entering your tankie hall of mirrors, what "pro-west military coups" are we talking about here?

Your Putinist apoligism is on-record from the Russia thread by the way. That you're upset at a junta being called a junta tells its own story.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967655#Comment_120967655

Overwhelmingly so. Coalition caused deaths in Iraq were a mere sidebar in the scale of bloodletting of the conflict, and the vast majority of those were combatant deaths and fair game in the laws of war. And I say this as someone who objected to the Iraq war, then and now.

I got into the weeds of the data on this on another thread with a treeful of Tankie apes, and they all ragequit when the facts were spoonfed to them and they had nowhere to turn.

Like all threads where Tankies are disproportionately active, the thread is pulled way way off topic. Do any of them want to actually speak to Niger or the conditions of Niger? Or is it just grandstanding about a(nother) country the don't give a f*ck about?

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967672#Comment_120967672

The Russia thread! This is the Niger thread. I haven’t been on the Russia thread in 18 months. You are the one obsessed by Russia and determined to label others on this thread.

Use all the nonsensical labels and buzzwords you want, Tankie, apoligism, ragequit. A smorgasbord derived from endless keyboard campaigns which achieve precisely nothing.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967806#Comment_120967806

Oh they achieve quite a bit. Scattering Kremlinites and disabusing them of their fascistic brain-warps tends to be quite effective.

Case in point, your first contribution to this thread was nothing to do with Niger, the conditions of Niger, the fate of Niger or what's right and correct for the people of Niger, it was "bUt ThE WeSt..." prattling that is typical of the prickly Putin apologist. The topic at hand is never the topic at hand, there's always a finger pointed to the far hills (usually Iraq or Libya) trying to direct attention away from the f*ckery of your chosen sh*tebag regime.

And there's no utility whatsover trying to deny you're a vanilla apologist for Putin and Russia's fascistic acitivities. It's evidenced by your anti-West everything posting and yes indeed, your on-brand performance on the Russia thread.

Niger is just the latest staging post for the grandstanding.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967806#Comment_120967806

Niger thread which has direct links to Russia ,the other thread is the Russian invasion of Ukraine, just like all of the other threads where individuals bring up Iraq and Afghanistan ( usually forgetting Russian involvement there too )

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120966972#Comment_120966972

He deserved his end and pity he didn't get it earlier

He had his own reasons for sending arms to Ireland and pity the Irish forces didn't get them earlier as well.

AerLingus747

Hopefully Air Base 201 becomes the Wagner hunting club.

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967562#Comment_120967562

Let me explain this to you in the hope it stops your uncivil posting

Junta has a literal meaning - it is the Spanish word for "meeting" or "committee"

What you are actually referring to is a "Military Junta"

A quick look at Wiki would have avoided you digging this hole for yourself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_junta

Not quit the bickering

Any questions, PM me - this is not for any further discussion here

Wolf359f

I wonder what all the English speaking news sites actually refer to when they say Junta....

Can we still call this a Junta like the English speaking news media or do we need to add Military in front it it?

Ardillaun

I think Angela Rippon introduced this ignoramus to a more Spanish pronunciation of junta. We were talking about hoontas for days after that.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120967429#Comment_120967429

There's no free pass. I just find it funny that we're all "Russia bad" over Ukraine however the US/UK/France/Wherever are all playing the same game. I get the whole whataboutery rebuttal you can throw out however it is kinda funny when we're all so anti Russia when all the big powers are playing the same games.

AerLingus747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120968126#Comment_120968126

So Russia good? Gotcha

anonymouscactus

Is it not possible that the French are thieving barstewards? And the Russians too? And the US? And China? And that none of them give a feck about people in Niger or Syria or Ukraine or anywhere else except in terms of what they can 'own' (either directly or through compliant governments) and extract?

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120968164#Comment_120968164

Absurd reductionism.

One can criticise the misdeeds of R. Kelly without thinking the misdeeds of Bill Cosby were good.

Similarly one can criticise the illegal invasion of one sovereign state without thinking the invasion of another was good.

The hypocrisy arises when R. Kelly supporters criticise the actions of Bill Cosby and call critics of R. Kelly Bill Cosby apologists. Maybe when people criticise R. Kelly they are not supporting Bill Cosby but are simply opposed to rape.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120968164#Comment_120968164

No Russia aren't good and no sane person would think that, but dont for once think that the West doesn't get off lightly for their war crimes or illegal interventions or meddling in countries elections because they are every bit as bad as Russia without garnering a scintilla of the same negativity from the media or its citizens. It seems its okay when we do it, or it can be classed as a mistake like they say about Iraq. Would we call Russia's illegal war on Ukraine a mistake in a decade or so? Did Bush or Blair ever get the same treatment as Putin? Did the U.S or Britain ever get sanctioned? Its this double standard is what causes alot of trouble and immorality in the world today.

lizzyjane

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1690049177567272966?t=OmeplwRZcCvT5BPIkkAPDA&s=19

It seems the Russians are calling for no military action against the coup leaders which seems the most sensible thing, any military intervention would just exacerbate the situation and cause a wider conflict.

I think this is a big opportunity for the western African nations to finally relieve themselves of former colonial powers proxy rule over them which is harming the economic and social development in these states.

Yurt2

Did I just read someone talking about absurd reductionism and then go off on a mental bushwalk about Bill Cosby? 😂

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120968310#Comment_120968310

You have a remarkable ability to dig-out utterly reprehensible "news agencies". Do you conciously know that these outlets you consume are garbage that are literally designed to pump out propaganda on behalf of murderers, rapists and war criminals to cultivate bonheaded supporters in the West? Or do you actually believe what they're saying?

I'm not sure if the former or the latter is worse for you. Either way, it's bad. Do you want to admit to the class you spew out-and-out pro-Russian propaganda? This is the garbage "news outlet" that was the direct source spreading outright conspiracy theories about chemical attacks in Syria deflecting away from the Assad government who commited that precise war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News

"Described as a conspiratorial website,MintPress News publishes disinformation and anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, according to researchers at Rutgers University and others. MintPress News was a major media domain that spread disinformation about the White Helmets a Syrian volunteer organization. The site has been accused of regularly publishing pro-Russian propaganda. In one contentious article, MintPress News falsely asserted that the Ghouta chemical attack in Syria was perpetrated by rebel groups rather than by the Syrian government"

Sometimes I wonder do people realise they have a brain tapeworm at all. This is what I mean about the Tankie hall of mirrors. Endless firehose of bullsh*t curated by people who are actively seeking to manipulate and fool the naive who have just enough IQ points to operate a keyboard and a retweet button, but not enough to know they're eating a sh*t sandwich. And when they're done with Niger, it'll be on to the next place.