Disputing crossing red traffic light ticket

markpb

OP, you sat very far back in the junction when the light was green. The guard may have mistakenly thought that you only passed the stop line after the light went red.

I would usually move into the centre of the junction, in the yellow box. That gives you better sightlines and makes your presence more obvious to drivers on your left and right.

innocent_lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834373#Comment_120834373

They were behind me on guild street, due to camera position its looks like i have cross cyclebox but I didn’t. In 2nd and 3rd video you can hear them i made turn when it was red. So they are not talking about crossing cyclebox but making turn. Infact you can hear her saying I shouldn’t proceed because there is no right turn box and its yellow lines😔

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834618#Comment_120834618

You cannot stop inside a yellow box.

duh never mind. The OP was turning right, which permits it my mistake 😎

Spook_ie

The one thing that isn't absolutely clear from that clip is if traffic was backed up to the right on the Quay.

If it were then you shouldn't enter the box junction, as if you couldn't clear the junction then you'd be blocking it.

innocent_lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834653#Comment_120834653

i have uploaded 3rd video where you can see when i made turn and there was no traffic turning right on quays

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834555#Comment_120834555

There is no yellow box in that video.

And you can stop in a yellow box when turning right, everyone knows that.

Edit! Watched it again, I see the box, apologies

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834873#Comment_120834873

There is a yellow junction box in the video. Look again.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834918#Comment_120834918

Yes, I did! I see it now👍

geotrig

lights.jpg

I don't know the junction ands its hard see it in the video but looking at google maps it looks like there is a right /left turn set of light as well as a standard straight on set of lights , i think that is your problem

Buffman

OP, like most other people on here I was watching the video and waiting to tell you what you did wrong, but you're 100% in the right and didn't do anything wrong.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834063#Comment_120834063

The 'bicycle' symbol road marking is well worn away to invisible at this junction and it could be argued the 'bike box' has no legal standing.

Spook_ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120835015#Comment_120835015

Not really, when the centre green light is lit ( unless there is a red lit arrow Or other signage ) then the junction is open for R/L/Straight on.

28064212

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834873#Comment_120834873

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834918#Comment_120834918

The existence of a yellow box makes absolutely no difference to the OP's situation. Regardless of whether there is a yellow box or not, when you get a green light at a junction like that, you move out into the junction (as far as you can before you need to start moving into the oncoming lane). At that point, the lights no longer apply to you. The red light is to stop you entering the junction - once you're in it, the only thing that stops you completing your turn is oncoming traffic (which has right of way), or if there is stationary traffic in your target lane (meaning you would be blocking oncoming traffic).

The yellow box is completely irrelevant in this case

innocent_lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120835015#Comment_120835015

But I didn’t get any filter green light. It was normal green light. I know if i had got straight only green light I shouldn’t proceed forward. But in this instance i made correct decision by proceeding forward

geotrig

I'm not disagreeing, its a odd set of strange lights but the fact that there is a full on green and "no lane red Light "still has me thinking you were ok /right I'm just saying that this is probably where the garda issue arose ,maybe they got the Turn lights afterwards and assumed you jumped the light and maybe they are not too familiar with the junction either.

innocent_lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120835256#Comment_120835256

Actually there was no filtered green light after i passed. The only time you see filtered green light on that junction is when bridge is closed for traffic(going south from north). I known that because i work close to that bridge.

XT1200

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834382#Comment_120834382

Ihope that is what your problem is and not that you do not know the basic rules of the road. I hope you do not drive any motorised vehicle.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120835116#Comment_120835116

The bicycle symbol isn't what controls your requirement to stop at the first stop line. A vehicle cannot cross a stop line that is associated with a traffic light whilst that light is red.

Bicycles are allowed to approach the 2nd stop line because it's entered from a cycle lane and is effectively the first stop line the cycle meets before reaching the lights.

In this case the op clarified that it was just the bad camera angle that makes it appear as if they rolled through the first stop line.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834152#Comment_120834152

I know, I’m agreeing you did nothing wrong. In the absence of a filter light you had to move into the junction or you’d be there all night and no cars behind could go straight

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120835207#Comment_120835207

There is nowhere in my posts where I said that the yellow box made a difference or bore any relevance at all. I merely stated that it is there.

The OP correctly entered the junction while waiting to turn right and therefore had to clear it after the traffic signal had gone red. The Garda in this case is in error in handing out a penalty and if I were the OP, I would definitely be disputing any sanction given, considering the video evidence on hand.

HazeDoll

OP did what I was taught to do when learning to drive. I hate sitting out there exposed like that in a junction, I always feel like I'm in the way and about to get honked at. I frequently remind myself that I'm doing what the driving instructor told me to do.

If OP hadn't moved into the junction, how many cycles of the traffic lights would have passed before an opportunity came to turn right? It could literally be hours! You could pull up there at 8am and still be sitting there in the afternoon.

Patrick2010

Judging by the guards comments she thought there was no right turn there and couldn’t admit she was wrong so decided she had to get him on something.

suvigirl

99% you will never get a ticket OP

innocent_lover

I am still thinking to go store street station and talk to officers there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120837608#Comment_120837608

why bother

if you don’t get a ticket then you’re just wasting your time. Nothing is going to be done about it and at best you’ll potentially just piss of local Garda in your area of work from what I understand.

Honestly it’s pointless.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120835207#Comment_120835207

The yellow box is completely irrelevant in this case

It's not completely irrelevant, it's actually clearly called out in the rules as an exception, you can stop in a yellow box when turning right only if you can clear it after you yield to the oncoming traffic - that is, for example, only if the road you're turning into is clear.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120837608#Comment_120837608

I don’t think they’ll even talk to you until something is issued to you. There might not be a record of it so they wont know who you are, who was talking to you or what you’re being accused of.

innocent_lover

If fine is issued, can i still go to station and get that notice cancelled? I just don’t want to pay for solicitor to go to court with me. Thank you for your inputs guys

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120838306#Comment_120838306

Don't park outside if there's any issues tax or tyres on car etc

Its not unknown for them to wander out and do you for something else

sgthighway

Will the Garda's Number or Name be on the ticket. If not I'd be calling straight to the Garda Station and ask for them to find out who Garda was and ask them to contact you. Ask to meet them. Bring drawings of the junction and those videos. If they don't drop it there and then tell them you will contest it. It will get dropped.

the 12 th man

You did nothing wrong,you won't get a ticket.