Anyone on here fully licensed w/thermal scope?

pab1997

Looking to purchase one and be all above board .. what’s the process ? Do I fill out an fca1 for said scope or what

slipperyox

Expensive equipment, so not a lot with them here I'd imagine.

Can't see the issue, as the point that thermal cameras do not use "light" but EM radiation, do not use image intensifiers, so I'm guessing they don't nark on the SI ?

But in this game, you can't be too cautious..

Fill in Fca1 AND write a letter is the first step I'd guess. and see what happens.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058299332/anyone-on-here-fully-licensed-w-thermal-scope

Same as NV, just tick the sights option on the FCA1 form when applying for the firearm you want to use it on and specify that you need a sight for whatever reasons you have(often foxing).

Paddyviking

I went to my local Supt and explained why I'd like to use/retain my NV scope and I got permission to use it.

Changed to thermal and updated my device details and got SE stamped on my license.

Like you I wanted to be above board and peace of mind whilst out at night pv 👍

Grizzly 45

Expensive equipment, so not a lot with them here I'd imagine.

Now available under 1000 euros theses days.

TheEngineer1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686094#Comment_120686094

I was told by my FO I had to apply for the Thermal unit separately as its own firearm on the FCA1 so I would get a separate yellow license for the thermal unit. So I needed a serial number etc as well as ticking the Restricted firearm box. I was hoping to just get the mark on my rifle license so I had the option to buy down the line but didn't bother in going through the hassle of it in the end.

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686870#Comment_120686870

Once again the PTB making up their own rules. If you apply for firearm on FCA1 form and tick the SIGHTS box then your cert should show SE, for sights electronic, and 1 cert covers firearm and sights, all covered by 1 payment of €80.

This is another attempt to try to extort more money and make it not worth your while.

Once again, going the court route is the only way to sort this out, or you can let this become the norm and screw everyone

J.R.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120688502#Comment_120688502

If you are granted permission to have a moderator and electronic sights how is that displayed on the licence?

Are both listed S SE on the licence?

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692122#Comment_120692122

On licences post the start of this year, yes.

Before that even if you had the sights option ticked SE wouldn't appear on your licence. If this is the case you can contact your FO and get a letter stating that you have a licence for electronic sights which should satisfy any dealer to sell you one, or the FO can also reprint the licence with the SE on it.

Gazlam

I'm still not convinced SE stands for sight electronic.

Has anyone definite proof that "SE" printed on the licence actually means "Sight Electronic"?

TheEngineer1

Anyone have an email address for the Garda Firearms policy guys?

I might just get it in writing from them what the actual process is for a thermal sight so I can take that back to my FO when I'm renewing!

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120711074#Comment_120711074

With the way the law and especially AGS go, you might be right. Nowhere does it explain it, and especially with the recent questioning about magazine capacity, and the subsequent reduction in ammo allowances, it seems once again that we suffer at the behest of anti-gun NON LAWFUL authorities

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712526#Comment_120712526

It does seem odd that a box that was always there as far as I can remember now means applying for authorization for NV/Thermal.

Cass

It always meant that. The "Sights" box in aection3.2 was always for nv, thermals, etc. IOW anything NOT a standard scope.

Normal scopes are not firearms,.not mentioned in the firearms act and do not require any legislation, authorisation or licensing to own/possess so there was no way for AGS to regulate their purchase and possession as they do with light amplification scopes which are specifically named in the 1990 offensive weapons act.

Cass

This thread from 2009 shows that sights always meant light amplification or electronic ones that were firearms in their own right.

tikka646

So for example, I bought a rifle a couple of years ago and I remember the Sargent rang to say application approved and sights granted too. I'm now covered to use a pard 007 or similar??

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713933#Comment_120713933

Yup, if you were granted for sights in the past you had no SE, but it was still marked as granted on PULSE.

If you want to clarify, or get a letter for a licence which has SE granted but not printed, just ring your FO and ask them to verify that you have the sights option ticked for X firearm and can you get a letter stating as such.

Even in my dreadful-for-licencing district they were happy to do the above.

Took about 2 weeks to actually get it, but that is the speed of light as far as they are concerned.

tikka646

Thank you, I've two rifles and ticked sights for both,the other rifle was granted with no phone call mentioning sights,so I presume that one is granted too. I'll have to contact FO I suppose to confirm either way.

doylerboiler

I have S + SE on my licence, applied on a FCA2 form to register a new day night sight purchased from an Irish dealer and have been told that I have to reapply on FCA1 and pay another 80 Euro if accepted. This cannot be right, has anyone else had, or is having, this experience?

keith s

Yep, a stand alone (restricted) license required for a dedicated NV/Thermal scope.

Previously, autherization was given so it could be used on named rifles.

This autherization did not cover as determined by the firearms act, but until recently was overlooked /misunderstood (whatever you want to call it).

Therfore, a separate FCA1 needs to be submitted and approval by Cheif Sup as they are considered restricted firearms!

doylerboiler

So, my deduction from your information is, a separate licence is needed for a dedicated NV/Thermal scope, dedicated meaning for a particular firearm only. I have read as much as I can find in legislation on Nv/Thermal, and some of it is hard to comprehend, but has the legislation actually been changed to state that an Nv/Thermal scope is now a restricted firearm or device that requires a separate licence?

Thank you for replying to my query.

LONG DRAG

No the law hasn't changed, it on the books since the 90 just never inforced, until now.

keith s

Dedicated, meaning it's not an add-on/clip-on accessory to a scope.

So, something that you could use as a spotter, but then clip it on to your scope... That is an add-on and as far as I know (and could be wrong here) these add-ons only need Authorisation from the Sup.

But a dedicated NV/Thermal scope, (which you would fit and zero on a rifle) like Pulsar c50, ATN 4K, these are dedicated firearm mountable scopes.

Once you have a stand alone licence for there use, you can use them on any rifle, and on the FCA1 for the rifle license you can tick the Sights option!

It was a bit confusing at the start, because I was thinking my rifle would then be restricted, but the rifle(s) stay the same, you are now licensing a separate "restricted firearm" which can be fixed to a non restricted or restricted firearm!!

All this for basically a digital camera

Munsterlad102

Just out of curiosity, does the SE and S mean you can only have one thermal sight or moderator per license or is there no maximum amount?

keith s

SE is (as far as I know) Autherization to use an add-on. Which is granted after you send a letter in to your FAO and is approved by the Sup. So, I'd imagine it is specific to the unit you specified.

In saying that the license for the dedicated scopes have a serial number of the unit,whereas the add-on autherization is only a note on the Pulse system (again, as far as I understand).

Same goes for Mods, there's no serial number, so they aren't specific and once you have the S on the license you can use it on that specific rifle

Gumbo

Just posting this here as it seems fitting.

Grizzly 45

Same goes for Mods, there's no serial number, so they aren't specific and once you have the S on the license you can use it on that specific rifle.

On that bold bit, that's changed or is now being enforced more.I imported a silencer last year from Denmark and the DOJ wanted a serial number for the import permit.on questioning this,I was sent the relevant legislation chapter and verse on this.

In short; as silencers are classified as firearms in their own right, they must also be serialised or have some sort of identifying markings on them. This can be from the manufacturer or added by a GD at import into Ireland.

I'll ASSume that this also applies now to any that are in the native pool of cans out there already. However,as there is no place to add this to the application form of your gun details or apparently on the PULSE system,I'll ASSume again that it is another piece of legislation that leaves us in limbo as to what to do with these details as the silencer ID info will be different from the guns ID info. It would make more sense if the serial of the silencer and firearm matched, but as it stands if your gun lic has the S it can use multiples of different serialised silencers in the same calibre?

Maybe someone else here can make more sense of this legislation?

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121937098#Comment_121937098

My RCC Mod has a serial number alright.

keith s

Is that Serial number on your licence(s) / pulse or recorded anywhere with AGS to record your ownership + / autherization to use that specific Mod?

Grizzly 45

Good question.I honestly don't know.DOJ wanted it for the import cert, but whether this info is passed onto AGS and that info is on PULSE or other databases I've no idea.AFAICS there doesn't seem to be any way of adding info either,if you are granted the S and then buy a can at a later date. IOW the info is there but it ends up in a dead end someplace as there is no method to associate it with a particular firearm.

I think we could all alleviate this problem by simply ticking the boxes for everything in the future on any new reapplications.IE silencers and NV. Doesn't mean you have to rush out and buy silencers and NV the moment the grant drops in the post box,but just that if at a future state if you ever want either you are good to go with that particular gun if granted.

Vizzy

"I think we could all alleviate this problem by simply ticking the boxes for everything in the future on any new reapplications.IE silencers and NV"

Only problem with this is that you need a separate restricted licence for your NV.

Then, assuming that you are refused for NV( as has happened in my area on every application that has been made so far in my District), you then have to declare that you were refused a licence when you subsequently apply for any other licences.

This may or may not be an issue, depending on your local FO/Super.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948536#Comment_121948536

No. not for me anyway. I never put the serial number in my applications. Just tick the box for S and fill it in the notes section.

TheEngineer1

I inherited a rifle and silecner recently and when applying for it there was a new section in FCA1 asking about attachments, namely silencers or NV/Thermal and a box for a serial number for said attachment.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121950786#Comment_121950786

yep. I’ve never filled them in. I have 2 firearms including one pistol, both with S approved using the new form.

Grizzly 45

Only problem with this is that you need a separate restricted licence for your NV.

True,but whats stops you from applying for one?Doesnt mean you have to have one straight away and collect from the dealers like your gun. Nor does it mean you have to go and lock it up in a safe and upgrade your alarms etc as if it was a restricted gun.It's more correctly an authorisation issued by the CS.

Then, assuming that you are refused for NV( as has happened in my area on every application that has been made so far in my District),

Ohhhh!!!!… BLANKET BAN by your CS of "restricted firearms" in his district!… Get a few of your fellow refused together and hightail it to the most litigious solicitor you can find,and instruct him to contact FUNI. We have a very good legal counsel who would enjoy sinking his fangs into this.

you then have to declare that you were refused a licence when you subsequently apply for any other licences.

SO??? I have been "refused licenses" over a half dozen times since 2008 and had the same revoked as well…NOT for any wrongdoing on my part or law-breaking.But because of AGS/DOJ smart ideas that backfired on them nationally in the period 2008/16 in district and high courts. I'm quite proud of this fact and enjoy filling in that point on all my license applications.AGS will know damn well if you are some local criminal or other ner do well who was refused or revoked for blaggarding,or whether your refusal was because of the Supers/Chiefs policy[or orders from on high] not to issue!" That is the last thing I would be concerned about in this situation.

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Jim3592

Hi. I had to hand in my thermal scope today because I applied for the licence while I was renewing my gun license. Got a phone call from Garda to say it had to be handed in because it is now unlicensed. I already had a comment on my previous license to grant the use of a NV/ thermal scope which I got three years ago. Not great timing as most farmers in my area are just started lambing and there is a huge issue with Foxes.

Grizzly 45

Well done!!!You must be the first person in the history of mankind who had to surrender an optical device that is liscensed as a "firearm" on the entire planet! Now the next thing is to get it back to you where it will be of more use. Seeing that you had permission for it like many hundereds of others here for X number of years.3 in your case,I' d simply re apply and point out you had one for 3 years eith no issues,why would you be refused a liscense now Cheif Super?

trackerman

One question I still have…

If a person applies for an Night Vision license, will the 'restricted status' of the NV license carry the requirement for a Monitored Alarm?

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122520638#Comment_122520638

It isn't a night vision license, it is a license for a restricted firearm, same as if you were licensing a 338 lapua.

And so like every other restricted firearms license it bumps you into the restricted category of firearms storage if you aren't there already.

In short, yes.

GaryKE.

Anyone recently filled the form out for a NV scope? Since it has its own license do I need to specify on my gun license that I would be using an NV scope or as long as I have the license I can attach it to any of my rifles?

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122626004#Comment_122626004

Nope, just get the license for the NV device and you can then put it on any firearm you are using.