Ron DeSantis is "Corrupt as Hell" -- because "Why Not"

Burty330 · 23-05-2023 8:52pm

Trump is a force of nature. A generational phenomenona. Santis gets devoured by this man unmerciful. Biden will be not be allowed anywhere near him. 6mins below to understand the real trump

https://youtu.be/pcKj1s1tfU0

kowloon · 23-05-2023 8:56pm

Looks like DeSantis is announcing in a Twitter discussion with Elon Musk. That's bound to trigger Trump. Expect a rant on Truth Social not long afterwards.

Cody montana · 23-05-2023 8:58pm

Is Mickey Mouse still making a show of him?

briany · 23-05-2023 9:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630366#Comment_120630366

Firstly, I don't think his ego would let him sit back and patiently wait his turn, but another thing is that he's gone all in on this culture war crap that's way too prevalent in American politics right now. I mean, it's gaining a presence in a lot of places but it's on overdrive in America. The thing is, however, is that if DeSantis decides to wait, he has to hope that American politics is still going to be based around the same kind of thing in four years, which certainly cannot be guaranteed. Could he try to reformulate his message and manifesto to suit whatever changes happen in public discourse between now and then, he could, but I think this would reveal another weakness of DeSantis and it's something which has relegated him to number two which is that he's a stuffed suit parroting lines, whereas Donald Trump is the real deal. Trump really is that ignorant, egotistical and vengeful. It's not an act with him, and that is so much of what has made him a phenomenon and powers his stranglehold over the Republican party. He is almost a physical manifestation of the crassness, hysteria and entitlement which underpins the worst of American culture. His acolytes are all pretenders. They're useful pretenders in many cases - they fill up seats and expand Trumpism's power base, but Trump people really know that they're only puppets with their hands up their own arses.

So, what we're about to see with DeSantis is essentially Pinocchio thinking that he's a real boy and getting bítch-slapped back to reality by Geppetto. As rueful as the potential comeback of Trump would be, that part would be at least satisfying, as the movement partly eats itself to stay alive, once again.

Snake Plisken · 23-05-2023 9:18pm

Looking forward to the sit-down with Elon tomorrow. I'll be setting up a proper titled thread once he announces rather then the disingenuous title of this thread

duploelabs · 23-05-2023 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633090#Comment_120633090

With blackjack and hookers?

Rjd2 · 24-05-2023 12:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630366#Comment_120630366

He is 44 tbf.

He has to run now because a lot of conservatives want him to run and Trump has been taunting him non stop since the midterms, he would look an absolute coward if he didn't. Even if he likely loses its no biggie, Trump will likely lose to Biden and RDS can in 2028 turn around and say "you should have went with me". Sitting on the sidelines he would never live that down.

Regarding his strategy, he is trying to win social conservatives to try and get the nomination, I don't see it happening but the strategy on paper makes sense. Its always a risk he could run to much to the right and that would hurt him in one v one against Biden, but don't forget Biden's approval numbers are pretty weak so far from unbeatable. Their would also be a considerable amount of independent and Biden conservatives who would look very approvingly on a republican who could somehow beat Trump in a primary.

Overheal · 24-05-2023 2:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633090#Comment_120633090

What's disingenuous about it?

I quoted it in the OP and explained it.

"I think Zuckerbucks is corrupt as hell, but if it's legal and the Democrats are doing it, why aren't we doing it?"

Any reasonable person, worried about corruption in govt, would be less worried about the title and more worried about the fact DeSantis seems fit to excuse himself to be "corrupt as hell" in his own words. Even if he thinks a practice is "corrupt as hell" he will do it because a) "it's legal" and b) "the Democrats are doing it" TLDR if DeSantis has a moral core it's lost on the general public. Slavery, for instance is legal in America as a form of criminal punishment, but I'm not an enterprising builder/operator/employee of for-profit prisons. What's his excuse? That? lol

24-05-2023 8:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633751#Comment_120633751

Unless you have evidence to establish the claim that Ron DeSantis is "corrupt as hell", then it's wholly misleading.

Not his words about Democrats, but actual actions of being "corrupt as hell".

duploelabs · 24-05-2023 8:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634029#Comment_120634029

Why would he pass legislation that personally benefits himself then? Surely that's corruption in its purist sense

24-05-2023 8:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634049#Comment_120634049

Can you provide an example?

Vicxas · 24-05-2023 9:08am

The Republican party was never great but lately they're just out to scorch the US so no one can have it

duploelabs · 24-05-2023 9:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634053#Comment_120634053

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-hide-travel-records-public-1799854?amp=1

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/28/florida-legislature-desantis-presidential-run-00094467

There's two

Boggles · 24-05-2023 9:33am

So he will announce he is running this week on Twitter.

His campaign says his strategy will be basically to ignore Trump.

Former president Donald Trump’s super PAC, MAGA Inc., has now spent more money on attack ads targeting Florida governor Ron DeSantis than it previously did on supporting Republican candidates in the 2022 midterms

Good luck with that Meatball Ron.

ancapailldorcha · 24-05-2023 10:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634098#Comment_120634098

I'm pretty happy to describe it as evil at this point. It has no redeeming characteristics whatsoever. Even the Tories here in the UK have cop on when it comes to issues like vaccines and climate change.

Hoop66 · 24-05-2023 11:02am

Florida Republicans definitely don't engage in cancel culture. Definintely not.

Florida school bans Amanda Gorman’s inaugural poem after parental complaint - POLITICO

24-05-2023 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634151#Comment_120634151

These are laws - one related to personal security and the second, related to his wanting to run for US President.

You may dislike the laws, but this is not evidence of corruption.

Corruption is a form of dishonesty or a criminal offense which is undertaken by a person or an organization which is entrusted in a position of authority, in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's personal gain.

DeSantis has done nothing criminal or illicit.

odyssey06 · 24-05-2023 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634573#Comment_120634573

There's a famous line about corruption - not only to be above board but seen to be above board.

How can you seen to be above board when you can shield all of these actions?

He's the Governor of Florida, suddenly all of these 'concerns' only appear now?

Why do you think it was important for the Governor's actions to be public BEFORE?

The law was also signed after questions were raised as to who paid for DeSantis' recent trip to Israel via chartered jet, which was not listed in the governor's political committee campaign finance report. The governor's office said no taxpayer money was spent on the flights, reported Politico.

duploelabs · 24-05-2023 11:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634573#Comment_120634573

So you're not denying that he used his office to pass these laws for his own personal gain?

Quin_Dub · 24-05-2023 11:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634573#Comment_120634573

Laws that he changed specifically for his personal benefit - That is the definition of Political corruption.

He changed the records law so that he could continue to travelling for his shadow campaign and to allow him to meet with donors etc. without having to tell anyone.

He then changed the law so that he would not have to step down as Governor to run for President so that he could keep getting paid for his job as governor, while not doing it and so that when he fails to to either win the Primary of the Presidential election he can just go back to his old job.

Do you think if a Democrat was in the Governors mansion a GOP State house would have passed those laws???

It's cronyism and blatant corruption, plain and simple.

24-05-2023 11:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634590#Comment_120634590

"Questions were raised".

Anyone can ask a question, it doesn't mean the person is guilty of corruption.

All I've heard so far is gossip. Nothing that approximates toward evidence of actual corruption.

odyssey06 · 24-05-2023 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634599#Comment_120634599

And now we won't even be able to ask the questions, because no one will know what he is up to - if he can now conceal his actions???

So if you are deliberately concealing your actions your cannot be seen to be above board, you do not get the benefit of the doubt re: corruption. This is why we very often see cases brought for the cover-up of these crimes not the crime themselves.

Why do you think those laws were in place before? Well??? Or is that another telling point about his actions you will try to dodge.

Continuing as governor of Florida in this manner - doing half a job, concealing his actions as Governor which SHOULD be subject to public scrutiny - while running for President is corruption and abuse of office.

So De Santis - corrupt as hell? Hell yeah.

Quin_Dub · 24-05-2023 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120634599#Comment_120634599

And you will never "see" any evidence either because he just changed the law to allow him to hide it.

People start asking questions about why the man they have elected to be the Governor of Florida is travelling hither and yon doing stuff that has absolutely zero to do with the job of being Governor of Florida and instead of answering those questions , the Governor aided by his cronies in the State House simply changes the law so that they no longer have to tell anyone what the Governor is doing.

How can you not see how that is an issue?

Then , the Governor decides he wants a new job - that of candidate for the Office of President of the USA and instead of stepping down from his current job which he will no longer be able to do properly , he simply changes the law with the aide of the State House so that he can keep his old job whilst taking on this new job and raising money for that new job and travelling all over the country and possibly overseas, while not doing the job of Governor of Florida. And if the new job doesn't work out , he can just go back to the old job no questions asked.

Again - How can you not see that is an issue?