Ron DeSantis is "Corrupt as Hell" -- because "Why Not"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618107#Comment_120618107

Drag by default, like burlesque shows or any other form of adult entertainment, is an overtly sexual display.

I've been to Pride events in Dublin where drag artists make no shame about the sexualised displays / acts they put forward. I think that's inappropriate for children. And I don't agree with drawing a line between acceptable and unacceptable sexualised acts for children. That's a quite frankly bizarre debate. In no other safeguarding debates do we draw that kind of nuance.

I think a blanket ban is needed to safeguard children - irrespective of whether the performer is a drag artist or burlesque dancer.

What's amazing to me is that rather than support DeSantis' intention to protect children, people are just looking for any reason whatsoever to condemn the man.

This is what happens when adherence to ideology matters more than common sense and ordinary morality.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618131#Comment_120618131

A blanket cancellation, ban? But isn't cancel culture "woke?"

@Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618128#Comment_120618128

The decision came Wednesday after Gov. Ron DeSantis signed HB 1438, which holds businesses accountable ”if the establishment admits a child to an adult live performance.”

Sorry @Overheal, but I see nothing wrong with what DeSantis signed into law here.

What I find far more alarming is how you are trying to defend the position that establishments should allow the admittance of "a child to an adult live performance".

How can you possibly defend that?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618142#Comment_120618142

Safeguarding children matters more than some adherence to ideology that some adults believe in.

Burty330

All they had to do was make it kid and family friendly. It seems that was bridge to far so they binned it to make Santis look bad. Their agenda is very transparent

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618148#Comment_120618148

I wasn't asking you for your opinion, I was challenging you to prove your claim that it "specifically" targets "drag" which it does not. You won't find the word Drag in there once, for example. I already am perfectly aware you will see no fault in anything Ron does, He's your Breath of Fresh Air TM.

"An adult live performance" any performance, live, by an adult? That's most shows and events.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618154#Comment_120618154

Actually you're right; the law is better than that - it includes protecting children from sexualised adult performances generally.

And I see nothing wrong with that, too.

But you seem to have taken issue with it. Care to explain why?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618153#Comment_120618153

That's all Pride Tampa had to do.

But because they wanted sexualised drag performances in front of children, they cry victimhood and felt obliged to cancel the entire event.

But, but, but...apparently Ron DeSantis is the evil, hateful man here.

Look, as I said before, it says more about the event organisers and their supporters than it does about DeSantis himself.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618153#Comment_120618153

All they had to do was make it kid and family friendly.

Already was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwVi2PMhA4

Rapidash never once outraged about the event last year, even though he's whatabouted about maybe the same 2 drag incidents for the past 2 years, dozens of times.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618161#Comment_120618161

Actually you're right; the law is better than that - it includes protecting children from sexualised adult performances generally.

You said "specifically" 🤣

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618163#Comment_120618163

If the event this year were family-friendly, they wouldn't have cancelled the event by definition.

Clearly, there was something at the event which violated the new law - a law that, let's be clear here, seeks to protect children from sexualised drag performances. That's all the law intends to do.

Throwing up a YouTube video from last year doesn't negate any of the above, either.

I repeat what I said earlier: the opponents of this law signed by Ron DeSantis are arguing in favour of the position that children should be in attendance at sexualised drag performances.

For all the moralising and so on, that's what it boils down to.

But apparently Ron DeSantis is the bad guy here.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618131#Comment_120618131

Are Dame Edna Everage or Lily Savage sexy? And if so why?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618178#Comment_120618178

I don't even think Ron DeSantis has ever heard of either of these two performers.

Nor has it anything to do with the law he signed in Florida.

ancapailldorcha

So, we're back to the usual homophobia I take it. Fine for GOP politicians to groom and molest children but drag shows are somehow the end of the world.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618175#Comment_120618175

I'm sure, in your head, you imagine they are up to no good, but there is no evidence of that.

You have yet to throw up so much as a youtube video to try and demonstrate your allegations that it was not family-friendly, by contrast.

You have yet to defend your claim that the law "specifically targets" "drag artists" and "sexualized drag shows" any sober reading of the text makes it clear that any adult event, whether there is any drag at it or not, can at any moment be deemed susceptible under this law.

       4-01834C-23                                           20231438__
    1                        A bill to be entitled                      
    2         An act relating to the protection of children;
    3         amending s. 509.261, F.S.; authorizing the Division of
    4         Hotels and Restaurants of the Department of Business
    5         and Professional Regulation to fine, suspend, or
    6         revoke the license of any public lodging establishment
    7         or public food service establishment if the
    8         establishment admits a child to an adult live
    9         performance; specifying that a specified violation
   10         constitutes an immediate, serious danger to the public
   11         health, safety, or welfare; authorizing the division
   12         to issue specified fines for first, second, and
   13         subsequent violations of certain provisions; amending
   14         s. 561.29, F.S.; specifying that the Division of
   15         Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco of the Department of
   16         Business and Professional Regulation is given full
   17         power and authority to revoke or suspend the license
   18         of any person issued under the Beverage Law when it is
   19         determined or found by the division upon sufficient
   20         cause appearing that he or she is maintaining a
   21         licensed premises that admits a child to an adult live
   22         performance; specifying that a specified violation
   23         constitutes an immediate serious danger to the public
   24         health, safety, or welfare; authorizing the division
   25         to issue specified fines for first, second, and
   26         subsequent violations of certain provisions; creating
   27         s. 827.11, F.S.; defining the terms “adult live
   28         performance” and “knowingly”; prohibiting the raising
   29         of specified arguments as a defense in a prosecution
   30         for certain violations; prohibiting a person from
   31         knowingly admitting a child to an adult live
   32         performance; providing criminal penalties; providing
   33         an effective date.
   34          
   35  Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida:
   36  
   37         Section 1. Subsection (10) is added to section 509.261,
   38  Florida Statutes, to read:
   39         509.261 Revocation or suspension of licenses; fines;
   40  procedure.—
   41         (10)(a) The division may fine, suspend, or revoke the
   42  license of any public lodging establishment or public food
   43  service establishment if the establishment admits a child to an
   44  adult live performance, in violation of s. 827.11.
   45         (b) A violation of this subsection constitutes an immediate
   46  serious danger to the public health, safety, or welfare for the
   47  purposes of s. 120.60(6).
   48         (c) Notwithstanding subsection (1), the division may issue
   49  a $5,000 fine for an establishment’s first violation of this
   50  subsection.
   51         (d) Notwithstanding subsection (1), the division may issue
   52  a $10,000 fine for an establishment’s second or subsequent
   53  violation of this subsection.
   54         Section 2. Paragraph (l) is added to subsection (1) of
   55  section 561.29, Florida Statutes, to read:
   56         561.29 Revocation and suspension of license; power to
   57  subpoena.—
   58         (1) The division is given full power and authority to
   59  revoke or suspend the license of any person holding a license
   60  under the Beverage Law, when it is determined or found by the
   61  division upon sufficient cause appearing of:
   62         (l) Maintaining a licensed premises that admits a child to
   63  an adult live performance in violation of s. 827.11.
   64         1. A violation of this paragraph constitutes an immediate,
   65  serious danger to the public health, safety, or welfare for the
   66  purposes of s. 120.60(6).
   67         2. The division may issue a $5,000 fine for a first
   68  violation of this paragraph.
   69         3. The division may issue a $10,000 fine for a second or
   70  subsequent violation of this paragraph.
   71         Section 3. Section 827.11, Florida Statutes, is created to
   72  read:
   73         827.11 Exposing children to an adult live performance.—
   74         (1) As used in this section, the term:
   75         (a) “Adult live performance” means any show, exhibition, or
   76  other presentation in front of a live audience which, in whole
   77  or in part, depicts or simulates nudity, sexual conduct, sexual
   78  excitement, specific sexual activities as those terms are
   79  defined in s. 847.001, lewd conduct, or the lewd exposure of
   80  prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts when it:
   81         1. Predominantly appeals to a prurient, shameful, or morbid
   82  interest;
   83         2. Is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the
   84  adult community of this state as a whole with respect to what is
   85  suitable material or conduct for the age of the child present;
   86  and
   87         3. Taken as a whole, is without serious literary, artistic,
   88  political, or scientific value for the age of the child present.
   89         (b) “Knowingly” means having general knowledge of, reason
   90  to know, or a belief or ground for belief which warrants further
   91  inspection or inquiry of both:
   92         1. The character and content of any adult live performance
   93  described in this section which is reasonably susceptible of
   94  examination by the defendant; and
   95         2. The age of the child.
   96         (2) A person’s ignorance of a child’s age, a child’s
   97  misrepresentation of his or her age, or a bona fide belief of a
   98  child’s consent may not be raised as a defense in a prosecution
   99  for a violation of this section.
  100         (3) A person may not knowingly admit a child to an adult
  101  live performance.
  102         (4) A violation of subsection (3) constitutes a misdemeanor
  103  of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s.
  104  775.083.
  105         Section 4. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618182#Comment_120618182

I'm asking your opinion. Not Ron DeSantis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618197#Comment_120618197

You have yet to defend your claim that the law "specifically targets" "drag artists" and "sexualized drag shows" any sober reading of the text makes it clear that any adult event, whether there is any drag at it or not, can at any moment be deemed susceptible under this law.

Let me be clear @Overheal, lest there by any ambiguity with my position here: I fully support that which I bolded.

Yes, I agree with the full text of the law; that children should not be exposed to sexualised adult performances, whether they include sexualised drag performances or other sexualised adult entertainment performances. Whether they are gay or straight, I don't care.

You have yet to defend why you think it's a good thing that children should be in attendance to sexualised drag performances? The most extreme possible position to adopt. You defend it, but fail to explain why.

Tampa Pride cancelled their own event, presumably on the basis that sexualised drag performances in front of children was part of the schedule.

Thank god they cancelled it, if that's the case.

And that's a direct consequence of this legislation. More power to it.

Let more US states follow suit as far as I'm concerned.

kaftan

Half a million Americans migrated to Florida from other states since 2021, the largest numbers from the most "progressive" states New York and California. Florida is the #1 state destination by far within the US and the #2 state for interntional migration.

But according to the Irish experts, Florida is a cesspool and the worst US state to live in. From experts who have never lived there.

I have a new definition of woke for such experts: "the willingness to suspend reality to make oneself feel good".

nachouser

I honestly don't know why anyone engages with Esky. They will just delete their account and start again when their visible posts are too much to defend.

Human cargo.

Marcus Rashfield slurs.

Bum-boy comments by Boris Johnson being hand-waved because they claim they are gay.

Burty330

Correct , population and business are moving to Florida en masse. In fact Red States are seeing the most population growth as people flee crime ridden Democrat run cities

https://www.shyftmoving.com/blog/miami-tech-hub

https://history-computer.com/7-reasons-miami-is-becoming-the-next-silicon-valley/

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618207#Comment_120618207

All you have are presumptions.

You have yet to defend why you think it's a good thing that children should be in attendance to sexualised drag performances? The most extreme possible position to adopt. You defend it, but fail to explain why.

Pics or I never said it. For someone so eager to accuse others of "sleight of hand" that's bold of you to try and twist my arguments about consistency, cancel culture and wokism, to what you've written there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618302#Comment_120618302

If you aren't defending that position (that in bold), it means you support this legislation by DeSantis.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618323#Comment_120618323

Connect the dots for me?

I don't support the legislation, it is flawed and overly broad, and it does not "specifically" target "drag" as you previously tried to argue - while trying to defend that Ron DeSantis was not canceling drag, just 'specifically target it' etc.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618248#Comment_120618248

Neither source credits DeSantis or his policies for this perennial trend. Hmm.

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618346#Comment_120618346

https://deadline.com/2023/05/dave-chappelle-blasts-san-francisco-surprise-stand-up-show-asks-for-batman-1235366258/

Dave Chappelle returned to San Francisco Thursday night with a surprise show at the Masonic Auditorium. He didn’t like what he’s seen in the City by the Bay.

“What the f—k happened to this place?” he asked, according to SFGATE’s review of the show.

Chappelle has long been performing in San Francisco, so his observations aren’t casual. During his set, he told of someone defecating on the sidewalk in front of the Indian restaurant in the Tenderloin that he was about to dine at.

The City has now become “half ‘Glee,’ half zombie movie,” he contended, adding that the whole city has become the Tenderloin. .

“Y’all [N-words] need a Batman!” he said.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618356#Comment_120618356

I don't think Chappelle's stand up argument evidences anything here either. Nothing in your post about DeSantis. He's not the governor of California.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618359#Comment_120618359

Yet earlier you quoted an event in Missouri and connected it to DeSantis.

DeSantis is not the governor of Missouri either.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618428#Comment_120618428

Which I did not dispute you calling out for being such, my apologies for not being specific to Florida when we were getting on a broader tangent about wokism, as you so broadly define and cancel culture which you define as subset of woke.

y0ssar1an22

xxxxx working on the backburner

Great speech by DeSantis in the last few days.

Yes, he's primarily focussing on the so-called "Woke agenda" here, but if he can translate this level of responsible reform to other sectors of the US, he stands a chance of becoming the Republican nominee.

I'd much rather this chap, who is far more sensible and less reckless than Donald Trump, becoming the nominee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV9xyTq8L0A

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629091#Comment_120629091

He's getting shown up by a mouse.

This does not bode well for any future political aspirations in high office.

And puts him below Palin in the experience stakes (who was "near russia" ;), he'd be run roughshod over at the international level, at least with trump a bit of preening was needed to expose the belly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629103#Comment_120629103

Well, you're probably right. Trump is likely to get the nomination.

But I'd much, much rather DeSantis receive it - however unlikely.