VW ID.2all concept

mailforkev

This is the redesign, they tried a concept that looked a bit quirky, the ID Life, and potential customers no likey.

murphaph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385962#Comment_120385962

Would you consider the Renault 5 to be in the same category?

Mr Q

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120385962#Comment_120385962

Just so we know, what super exciting car are you driving?

the_amazing_raisin

Very interesting interview here with Kai Grünitz, a member of VW design board

https://www.electrichybridvehicletechnology.com/news/feature-volkswagens-id-2all-balances-battery-tech-with-development-costs-to-deliver-a-new-era-of-value-to-its-customers.html

We've finally got a few numbers worth sharing, I'm guessing a bunch were copied and pasted from the Cupra Raval

Motor 169kW (226hp) FWD, apparently a different motor to the AP550 that's now in the RWD ID cars

Acceleration 0-100km/h in under 7s

Battery sizes 38kWh and 56kWh, no mention of whether that's gross or net, but VW tend to quote the latter

WLTP Range 450km with the bigger battery, giving a consumption of 12.45kWh/100km

Charging 125kW peak DC, 11kW max AC (presumably 7kW max on single phase, same as every other ID car)

Obviously the €25k price tag will be for the smaller battery and probably slower charging and less powerful motor. Overall though it seems like an excellent offering

Miscreant

I will be shocked if they put a 226hp motor in the ID2, they barely do that for the current ID3 or ID4 unless you pay through the nose. More likely will be a "detuned" one so you can pay an extra few thousand for the full fat version.

The rest of the specs seem reasonable. In my eyes, the 450km mark is about right for an EV as it gives you a decent ability for long distances in Ireland and less need for public charging as a result.

It does look like a good overall package though but I will believe the €25k price tag when I see it. Every manufacturer has been banging on about this price point for years and none of them have managed it. Sure, the current Polo starts at €25650 for the base model and is only 3mm longer than the ID2All (in width and height, the Polo is actually smaller). Time will tell but I always take predicted prices with a pinch of salt until I see them on the forecourt.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121262799#Comment_121262799

Yeah I suspect that the full 226hp will be reserved for a GTi variant later

The promised price is of course the price in Germany, we'll see how much it magically grows by once it arrives here

But, if they can get the base spec close to the promised €25k mark then I think it'll sell very well here. VW has a very loyal brand following here and I think the concept is a lot closer to the "typical" VW look than the ID.3

DaveyDave

Another look at the ID.2. I doubt the final car will be as flashy as this and unlikely €25k, but in terms of size it seems similar to Golf inside but in a Polo footprint. Possibly better as Thomas could sit behind himself, I can't even attempt that behind my driving position in the Golf.

Nice to keep the practicality for a baby seat or adults in the back without being another fat crossover.

https://youtu.be/8flSRQXdrtE?si=G1cYN1ztjvQAW-XL

the_amazing_raisin

Autocar reporting the design of the "final" ID.2 is complete

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2025-volkswagen-id-2-will-be-even-better-concept

Apparently it's even better than the concept. I imagine this is actually quite an easy task since the concept wasn't a car for sale on the open market 🤔

Anyway, it seems a lot of the concept ideas made it into the final design so it could be good. They said the same thing about the ID.3 though so we'll wait and see

There seems to be some confusion over sales start. It looks like VW may have pulled in the date to early 2025 after reports they were going to push it out

The €25k price tag hasn't moved, although that'll be for the base 38kWh model. I imagine it'll be classic VW with dozens of options and the price goes up quickly. I expect the 56kWh version will be well north of €30k

I'd say there'll also be a few digital unlocks on top for more power, and some services. I'm fine with those as long as there's a permanent unlock option for a one time fee and you aren't stuck with a subscription model (looking at you Mercedes)

I do think it'll be a winner for fans of the Golf and Polo who weren't convinced about the ID.3

the_amazing_raisin

Article about the Cupra Raval (Rebel?) test mule being spotted

It's basically the same as the ID.2 but not much to see under the camo, but a few interesting tidbits

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/09/vw-id-2-based-cupra-raval-is-spains-answer-to-the-mini-cooper-e/

Most interesting things to me are the 226hp, and the charge port at the front drivers side. At least it'll keep the Tesla owners happy when using a supercharger

The 1922 Committee

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-begins-testing-%C2%A322k-id-2-hatch-ahead-2026-arrival

Production of Cupra Raval and Id.2 starts in March or April of next year. Early mules were running under an Id.3 shell with motor moved forward. Sketches of interior indicate that dashboard layout is similar to Id 3 so apart from being front wheel drive it should be very similar to id.3 in feel which is a good thing. It will be larger inside and out than a Renault 5