Cork library staff being abused and intimidated over LGBT+ books

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099604#Comment_121099604

Didn't think so.

Literally didn't even wait for a response before you posted "Didn't think so" but please, continue pantomiming this strawman argument.

" I live in Florida, and I checked out five of these “banned” books to see why they were removed from school libraries."

https://www.city-journal.org/article/have-you-looked-inside-any-of-these-books

Let’s Talk About It: a Teen’s Guide to Sex, Relationships and Being Human earned starred reviews from Publisher’s Weekly and Kirkus, but the book is full of objectionable content. On page 18, the author informs minors that there are innumerable ways to lose one’s virginity, involving many different body parts, and concludes, “Virginity just doesn’t work anymore in today’s world.” A chapter on relationships (pages 34-35) coaches children on swinging, open relationships, and friends-with-benefits arrangements, while a boy in a wheelchair declares that having a friend with benefits “can be fun!”

A pair of young feminists grouse on page 38 that men can have casual sex with no repercussions, but if the gals do so, they’ll be judged harshly. “F*ck the patriarchy!” one exclaims, while the boy in the wheelchair raises his right fist and declares, “Viva la revolucíon!” A chapter on gender (page 47) asserts that “male/female gender binary” is “an obsolete viewpoint,” before concluding, “You and your gender can change as often as you want!” In a chapter on sexting, the authors claim that sexting is “thrilling, sexy, and fun, a way of saying, ‘you turn me on, hot stuff,’ or ‘let’s get turned on together.’ It’s a long-distance act of intimacy and trust.”

In a chapter full of graphic images called “What are kinks, fantasies and porn?” the authors write, “A great place to research kinks and fetishes is on the internet.” The authors, Erika Moen and Matthew Nolan, must know that children will encounter disturbing images and videos if they Google various “kinks and fetishes,” but they apparently still think it’s a good idea. Indeed, later in the same chapter they conclude, “there’s nothing wrong with enjoying some porn, it’s a fun sugary treat.” The words “fun sugary treat” appear in pink boldface type.

And yes, it's in Corkulation

In the young adult section nonetheless

So, roundly back to the question asked: Why do you only want to censor books about sex education for lgbt people?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099604#Comment_121099604

This is nothing to do with my hatred. But its interesting that you think objecting to the protesters is justified.

Yep because the protesters are violent thugs with a hateful homophobic and transphobic agenda. Anti worker, anti young people, anti education, anti lgbt. This is not about protecting children at all. It is about an extremist hate agenda.

There's lots of books on sex education available in the Young adult section. See post from @Overheal for 1 example. Your bullshìt that there's none has been shown up as drivel.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098944#Comment_121098944

So your argument is that kids are exposed to this stuff anyway so why not let them be "educated" by books like this, but then you are relying on kids only accessing this book when their parents approve?

They are some strange kids you are talking about, they are busy fisting each other behind their parents backs, but would never read a book that their parents didnt sign out of the library? Lolz

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099612#Comment_121099612

Erm didnt you just provide a sample of "straight" books that are already banned? Why would the poster try to ban already banned books?

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099830#Comment_121099830

Seems strange that I have to call this out but, you do know that the protesters can be many of things and still be correct about other things, right?

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099351#Comment_121099351

Are you a parent?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121108804#Comment_121108804

Why did you need to restate my position as something completely different to what I said?

It’s up to parents to manage how their kids access libraries and other resources.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121108873#Comment_121108873

I don't think they are correct at all. Education on sexual matters is a good thing. The idea of shielding young people from sex education is archaic. I believe their motives in doing what they are doing are based on homophobic and transphobic hate.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121109520#Comment_121109520

Ok, so why do you think kids need to be educated about this stuff?

The premise is, presumably, but correct me if I am wrong, that they are going to be exposed to it regardless, so might as well be taught "properly" right?

So my question is, if kids are going to be exposed to things that their parents dont want in the real world, why do you think the library rules are going to stop them from accessing this book?

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121111212#Comment_121111212

But do you accept that they can be correct on many things, despite also being neo-nazis (for example)?

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121111212#Comment_121111212

If I oppose gender ideology being taught to my child, is that transphobic in your mind?

How many genders do you believe there are?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112262#Comment_121112262

Kids need to be educated about sex because sex is a fairly important part of life. I'd prefer kids to be educated about fisting from a sensible book than from a partner, or worse an abuser, trying something out.

Now it's your turn - why shouldn't kids be educated about sex?

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112353#Comment_121112353

You think kids should be educated about fisting from a "sensible book"....

is that before or after we teach children about scat, bukake and tentacle porn?

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112437#Comment_121112437

"Tentacle porn" ? I mean do you actively search for this stuff ? I doubt if it's a case of " the lads down the pub were chatting about tentacle porn!

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112437#Comment_121112437

Yes, how would you suggest people are educated about fisting, scat and bukkake? From porn, like it was for you and me?

Tentacle porn is a new one on me, but I'm not going to search for it on my work phone.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112463#Comment_121112463

I would argue that it would come up in conversation about as often as fisting does.

But yeah, that stuff exists so apparently it's discriminatory if we don't tell kids all about it.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112473#Comment_121112473

Again, how would you suggest people learn about fisting?

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112531#Comment_121112531

People? Nice pivot from children.

The issue is children being given this information.

What age should children read their sensible book about fisting, bukakke and tentacle porn?

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112473#Comment_121112473

Sounds like you might need to take up a hobby or go out and let your hair down or something.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112550#Comment_121112550

Probably in their mid to late teens. At what age do you think people should learn about fisting, bukkake and tentacle porn?

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112566#Comment_121112566

I would veer more towards late teens. I'm glad we somewhat agree.

I think my issue can be seen by some as the slippery slope fallacy. If we are to have a book "educating" children about sex, but includes fisting, then the next book will have to cover other, more extreme, sexual acts.

What is considered too far? I am not pretending to have all the answers or that I am 100% right. But "educating" children can, in some instances, not be a positive thing

But at what stage does it become too much?

cgcsb

I wonder do these people remember their own teen years? I sure do.

When I was aged 14 to 16 we had dial up Internet and only for that I'm not sure I would've really known how to do it with another man 😅, it's not like I could ask anyone really. I wouldnt even know how to talk about it, how to prepare etc. it's not all that self explanatory and there were no such books, if you physically went to Dublin and into Belong2 you could ask for a little booklet, and that was all very mechanical and a little bit scary and was almost exclusively about the risks associated, pages and pages about HIV. Straight people have it taught to them directly and indirectly from very early on through films and TV shows. For gay people it's only ever presented as a joke, the implication being that you are a joke for liking such things.

There was actually a time when I really thought that I would have to put a condom on to get a bj and that was the only safe method and other than porn I would have thought that was totally the done thing.

Without that dial up I'd have to pretty much rely on what an older gay man told me or showed me, that's a worrying thought. Teen boys generally don't want to come across as naive so will go along with a lot of things. So maybe think about that when deciding to withhold information.

I knew about fisting from the dial up and was sort of fascinated by it from more of a physical perspective than a sexual one, how is it possible etc. I wouldn't have known it existed otherwise. I don't think tentacle porn existed or if it did, it was just outside the realms of my extensive Internet searches, i still dont think its very common tbh. As for bukakke, well that was also a keen interest and very searchable. So I expect the teens of the day are better informed.

Burty330

It's a fallacy that kids have just two options to learn about these matters , either from educational books or porn. As if there's is nothing in-between. Take it as a warning when the argument is built upon such a huge dishonest fallacy. Because there's plenty other ways kids learn- from the playground to social media , social media influencers , youtubers and a plethora of harmless lgbt programming (movies & tv).

The issue here is adults projecting their own developed mindset onto children. The mind of a child is wired completely different to an adult. They are too immature to see any educational value from a book depicting graphic imagery of butt plug insertion. Not that there is any educational value in sexual kick and sexualy deviancy , because there isn't. They have a whole life ahead of them to learn about that stuff. Fisting and butt plug use is sexual gratification for adults , full stop.

Now , if these books are in a public library , Im ok with that , because I don't know any kids to go to public libraries. If another parent wants to bring their kids in there to rent whatever books they want , that's their own business. My issue is these books turning up in schools and being exposed to my youngster against her will and mine. This is a concern expressed by 99% of parents , especially where gender ideology is concerned. From my experience it isn't an issue and a lot of stuff espoused in here is just internet speak. No parents out there are being told their kids need to learn the educational value of anal fisting.

Since im all in favour of education , even on these matters. Here's something worth watching to understand the complexities of gender dysphoria and why gender ideology shouldn't be thrust into the school curricula like so many ideologues want it to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duY4lCfGZSA&ab_channel=SupervillainSalty

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112712#Comment_121112712

The fact that you use the term 'sexual deviancy' to describe butt plug use kinda helps make my mind up about this, i was on the fence for most of this. You characterise yourself as being a more reasonable version of the neo nazis trashing cork library but that's exactly the type of judgemental crap that we really need to move away from, and the type of attitude that was really quite harmful to me and as a teen in terms of my self worth.

You're probably not even gay and you're coming on here bottom-shaming, 'this book is gay' is probably not geared towards straight people. Can you not just leave us alone and keep your abusive comments to yourself?

As for gender ideology, I'm not even sure what that means but posting a video about detransitioning gives me a clue, I guess you've never really known a transgendered person or have the faintest understanding of the issues trans people face. In summary you're here to straight-splain our lives to us, kindly resume circle jerking other phobes and nazis in some other forum since you've no actual knowledge of these topics.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112262#Comment_121112262

Are you taking the fcuking piss?

Hotblack Desiato

Parent of a trans child here, and it's very clear to me that all of the "concern" has nothing to do with child welfare - quite the opposite.

These so-called "activists" are bellends and thugs, trying to disguise their bigotry as "concern" but they fool no-one with an above room temp IQ. They (if they're old enough, their parents if not) tried to play the same old tune in the 80s and 90s with homophobia, now that that's no longer socially acceptable they found an even smaller and socially weaker minority to gang up on. Bullies. Cnuts of the worst order.

Ironically today's teenagers are very aware of these issues and all have LGBT friends, they don't and won't accept the bullshit certain adults try to flog at them.

Ten of Swords

Mod - Once again we are going off topic.

This thread us about the protests and other actions that have been taking place at libraries

Stick to the topic please

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112712#Comment_121112712

My concern is also that if 1 parent wants to let their child borrow one of these books from the library you can be damn sure what book is going to be shown to all the other kids!

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112784#Comment_121112784

Deviate = not the norm.

If you are reading something derogatory into it then maybe thats on you?

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124876#Comment_121124876

Is comment only allowed on the protests themselves or on the reason behind the protests? I'm confused as to what commentary is allowed and what isn't?

If its purely the protests then its pretty obvious that you should be allowed protest but not to the point of being abusive or a danger to other...thread closed?