"Nobody cares about Covid anymore"

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025149#Comment_121025149

I wouldn't have thought that "loonies bad" would be a particularly controversial take but I guess it's a matter of perspective

If you're guided by the science of these things; we did the right thing (for the most part).

If you're guided by your own personal prejudices and agendas, then it was whatever you want it to be. And that was grist to the mill for a lot of people who wanted to exploit it for their own ends. It was bizarre, in the 21st century, to be debating whether masks would reduce the spread of a respiratory virus, yet it happened.

Again - we will always have people like this. We cannot pander to them, they are beyond reasoning, so all we can do is pray they don't do anything too stupid.

And of course, some people just plain old don't give a f**k about others, particularly if it meant they couldn't get a feed of pints or a week in Marbella because of it.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025220#Comment_121025220

We were guided by the science for some decisions but other decisions purposely went against the science and then there were decisions that accelerated spread of covid. It would be useful if the whole lot was reviewed and we distilled down what actually worked and what did not work. The worry I would have was our actions during the second year of covid, although we had a lot more facts, there were crazy things going on and straight out lying from those in charge of pandemic response.

bucketybuck

Ireland will learn absolutely nothing from the pandemic, because the same cheerleaders who denied reality during it have continued to deny reality after it.

Where is the independent review? The UK has a high profile public enquiry into its approach, but where is Irelands? It is nowhere, because those in charge know damn well that any independent review or analysis will make them look like complete **** chumps.

If another pandemic hits then the cowardly Irish will do exactly the same things again. The people haven't changed, so the type of person who bought into all the covid theatre previously will embrace it with open arms the second time around. Stupid is as stupid does after all.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025319#Comment_121025319

Protecting the elderly for me is number 1- but the population as a whole now have learnt a lot. So I think at some point, personal responsibility and personal risk needs to come into play.

If people are allowed out and about but there’s a virus around that could potentially do you harm due to your personal circumstances-age illness etc- the advice might be don’t socialise but the decision is yours and yours alone- none of this nanny state business.

But nursing homes and hospitals are different so should be better protected. That’s my view but the thing is, whatever the next virus it may well be more deadly, behave differently and even in healthy people, play major havoc - so we might well be back to everything closes, 5km limit etc etc - and look, for a time until we get to grips with what the virus does, that’s ok- but not for the duration the stupid limits were imposed last time- it was way OTT- by Summer if 2020 the healthy were willing to risk it and the unhealthy knew to stay the hell away from people - that should have been where we left it.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025542#Comment_121025542

If things like 5k limits actually achieved anything then it wouldn't be important how long they lasted, but the fact you would accept them again just proves my point entirely.

The Irish don't need science or clear reasoning behind these things, if they are told it is necessary then they will believe it is necessary, and so they deserve everything they get.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025589#Comment_121025589

It’s a way to limit travel and spread of the virus in the short term that’s all - I’m not advocating months of it though, just enough time to get a handle on what we’re dealing with - limiting travel did save lives and it helped also to bring on an instant overall cautious approach from the public - the “science” is simply limiting the spread of the virus coupled with the order to “not mix” - that’s as scientific as it gets but short term it makes sense

dublin49

was at a party recently of 50 and 10 got covid in the folllowing 2 days.There is no fear of it any more and its now accepted as a potential downside to gatherings or parties.I got it and it was pretty bad,like Flu, but kept eating.Could see it being a problem for elderly ,

facehugger99

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facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025682#Comment_121025682

How many lives did limiting travel save?

Be specific.

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121019370#Comment_121019370

There were certainly some daft measures introduced, I don't think anyone can argue against that. For example, the LOK-down (Laois Offaly Kildare lockdowns specific to the counties). The Kildare one was mainly down to cases in a meat plant around Naas. We live in North Kildare, about 1k from the Meath border. We could travel 45 mins away right into the area with high case levels in Naas or Newbridge, but were not allowed to travel 2 mins down the road to a shop/friend/whatever in Meath! As far as I could see most people in the area ignored it.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025589#Comment_121025589

The Irish don't need science or clear reasoning behind these things

But all the science was behind it.

When we deviated from the science, and allowed people to exercise their own best judgement to have a "normal Christmas" in 2020, well, we saw what happened.

DLink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025541#Comment_121025541

One possible bright light from all this is that if other countries, after having proper reviews, decide against lockdowns, then maybe our chickens in charge might be a bit more reluctant to smack the nail with a sledgehammer.

We like to be top of the class after all, we went all in on restrictions last time, maybe we'll be top of the class with no restrictions next time?

We live in hope I guess...

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121025812#Comment_121025812

The "Irish psyche" is not a thing.

It depends on where you're getting your science from. If it's the WHO, CDC, ECDC or pretty much any credible organisation, then we were in line with the science.

If you're getting your science from Facebook, WhatsApp groups and Gemma O'Doherty, then we were way off.

bucketybuck

Like the science where Ireland stopped little kids from playing in parks? That science?

The fact that years later some people still can't see how moronic the pandemic response was, that is why this country will repeat the same mistakes all over again. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121026219#Comment_121026219

Again, it's an opinion piece by a man with an incredibly long track record of conspiracy theories.

Like, that was written in Feb 2023 and he's citing a FOX NEWS article from 2021 as evidence that the vaccines cause myocarditis, when this has long been "debunked".

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121026399#Comment_121026399

Does this mean you are debunking the debunked debunk. I’m sure someone will be along to debunk you soon😂

Spudman_20000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121026399#Comment_121026399

Plenty of studies linked in the article. Not like you actually read it though. It's like questioning someone's religion at this stage. G'luck.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121026473#Comment_121026473

Lol, you can't throw in Fox News as your source of scientific data and expect it go unnoticed.

Must be handy to get your science and politics opinions in the one place though.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121026399#Comment_121026399

No, it hasn't been debunked that the vaccines can cause myocarditis. Quite the opposite. Do you just keep your hands over ears to avoid any evidence you don't like?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121023666#Comment_121023666

Ok if you think so provide the numbers of actual diagnoses that were missed ..that number doesn't exist . Why ? Because it is potential misdiagnoses..those numbers are not and won't be available for a long while yet , if ever .

It's a statistical risk , not an actual number .

And because services are aware of the risk , they are changing the probability of it coming to be .

Man Vs ManUre

Covid who??

Sunny Disposition

Of course Covid still exists, but it’s nothing like it was. Most people have had it at least once, while the vast majority of people have been vaccinated.

There’s no rationale for having 2020/2021 style restrictions again. They were required at the time, but things are totally different now.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121024834#Comment_121024834

Elderly (or indeed anyone) are always moved out of hospitals as soon as they no longer need the services only a hospital can provide. This was the case before pandemic, during it, and still is the case after it. Because the hospitals don't have the resources to keep them. Hence arises "bed blocking".

Nursing homes also have had resourcing issues before the pandemic, during it, and after it.

So in that context, curious what you think they should have done, and should do now? What would you do now to fix it?

DLink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121027977#Comment_121027977

I don't know, it's not my problem, I'm not here to provide solutions, I'm just calling out stupid decisions.

If I had my way there'd have been no restrictions, make what you want of that.

Take care of yourself if you're a vulnerable, but let me carry on as normal because it's not my job to protect you or the health service.... you know, the same as it was before covid, and thankfully it's the same again after covid.

Public health was the reason given for restrictions, but we all know that public health really was just an after thought, restrictions were in place mainly to stop the shoddy health service from total collapse and to appease covid disciples on social media.

Nobody cares any more, deal with it.

Flinty997

You called out nothing. It wasn't a "decision" it's just how the transfer system has always worked.

Public health, health system capacity crisis, resources is all the same issue. Why you'd think it's independent issues I have no idea.

People complaining about it, should take their own advice and just deal with it.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121027946#Comment_121027946

In not sure that some people still complaining about restrictions have got back to "normal". It seems to have triggered some sort of suspicion of everything, but an inability to filter out facts from fiction. Some sort of PTSD perhaps. Which is understandable I guess.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121028197#Comment_121028197

This is just ridiculous. No wonder the bloody country stood there with its finger up its arse while idiots dictated policy for 2 years.

Yes the transfer system always worked that way.

But when a highly transmissible virus came along that disproportionately affected elderly people, you seem to think it still had to be done that way. That no other way was possible. That nobody could possibly have noticed that nursing homes might possibly be at risk or that all of those elderly people in them might need some special attention.

Of course, many people did notice. Many people in March and April 2020 did say that instead of moronic lockdowns of the entire country, that all the government resources should instead have been directed at ringfencing the nursing homes. Spend the money to give them extra staff, extra protective gear, extra resources wherever needed.

But they were ignored by the chicken littles who preferred to lock up healthy people instead, who did nothing to ringfence the nursing homes and in doing so committed one of the greatest acts of negligence in the history of the state.

And now they need to gaslight people into thinking there was no other way.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121028287#Comment_121028287

Seem to have no problem gaslighting me. I didn't express an opinion either way. I just explained the system to people who obviously haven't a clue how it works.

For example you're suggesting they weren't given more resources, extra protective gear etc. But you're wrong they did. You'd know that if you'd visited one. Problem is there's a staffing crisis. Once staff get COVID, or associated illness's it means less staff to go around. Also people (who don't believe in the rules, or under financial pressure) circumvent the rules, meaning it gets spread. Meaning even less staff. They locked down the nursing homes. Ironically here you are arguing against those rules, that were put in place to help with the situation in the nursing home and the health service. You're literally sawing the branch your own argument is standing on.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121028297#Comment_121028297

Chicken little is a good one. Considering he was proved right in the end of that story. At least in the recent version. Ultimately the boy who cried wolf was also eventually right.

Nigzcurran

We got some things right, some things wrong. I was fairly pro vaccination/ pro lockdown if it helped protect vulnerable people but some of the measures were half arsed and just caused resentment to build in people. I don't think the country would be so cooperative next time