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Barbie (2023)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    "I thought it basically showed that you can build a society based on one random characteristic like sex or on things like nepotism" what does that mean? Barbie world only works because nothing needs to made or maintained? if you wanted to live in a simulation you could make any rules you want I guess.

    You can look at the movie as being a satire of feminism , where ken just wants to bring equality to Barbie world...I might need to duck and cover now lol

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Ken doesn't want to bring equality though, he wants to take over. That's not what feminism is. When it gets to that part of the film they're spearing incel man babies. He's only doing it because Barbie won't be his girlfriend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,933 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think you're taking it a bit literally. But to follow your argument, if nothing needs to he built or maintained, then why was only one class of people in positions of authority and why were both classes of people boxed into predetermined roles?

    You can look at it as satire of feminism if you want. I'd say it's more a satire on how we can construct our societies based on predetermined classes or on other factors like merit, for example

    Taking it really literally probably isn't a terribly sensible way to look at it though. Real life is messy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That's not what feminism is.

    I know this, you know this, but that hasn't stopped the latter-day narrative from some that feminism is trying to create a matriarchy. As the saying goes, equality can feel like oppression to those formally at the top.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,933 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    And that's the point of satire. To take ideas to absurd lengths which helps put real life into perspective. The Barbies had an unrealistic level of control and then the Kens had an unrealistic level of control. And in the end they begin the process of opening things up to Kens to begin gaining some self determination and some positions of influence in the society.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 witchtower


    Gosling and Robbie are excellent but I was praying for a trapdoor to open and take my chances with crocodiles after 20 minutes..... I probably work on too few levels to get the meanings and subtexts but jeez louise the agony.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,928 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    it's ok, I have seen a lot worse recently. But I would not sit through it again. Meh



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭feelings


    We turned it off. What a load of rubbish!! Hats off to the marketing department but jaysus the film was terrible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭p to the e


    This will be a case study in "moorkeshing" classes the world over. How they convinced people to shell over €1.5billion for a mediocre, box ticking exercise.

    I'm a self confessed cynic and the last time my eyes rolled into the back of my head this hard, at the "can't we all just get along" narrative, was Sex Education, and funnily enough one of the actresses in that is in this. The moody teenager, the attempt to hide it's a 1.5 hour Mattel commercial, Ryan Gosling trying to act, that Barbie with the Adam's apple. Not once did I laugh. This film was not for me.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    I can totally understand it not being your cup of tea and not enjoying it, but equally it's a bit silly to suggest a film made this much money by tricking people into thinking they liked it.

    Seems more likely to me that it landed differently for other people who were more receptive to what it had to offer. Which, yes, was absolutely as deep as a puddle - but that doesn't have to mean pointless. I still think the 2001 gag the film opens with is great, for example.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭p to the e


    I wouldn't say people were tricked into liking it, more that they were convinced to go see it. I'm thinking more of the whole "Barbenheimer" marketing ploy that came across as having naturally occurred when it was more likely to have been planned out months in advance.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    they were convinced to go see it

    I mean, yes, I think people were convinced to go see it - but I think that was word of mouth, not marketing. Look at how much marketing got thrown at The Flash and yet that didn't break $300M worldwide, much less stick around for months on end.

    I've no idea whether Barbenheimer was a marketing ploy, but it seems unlikely that anyone involved in making either film came up with it - Barbie was distributed by Warner, while Oppenheimer is Nolan's first film not distributed by Warner (and from what I remember reading it wasn't exactly an amicable split...). There's no overlap in production companies between the two films either. You could maybe argue about the two films having the same release date but tbh it's a big gamble that you can make a big screen Toy Adaptation Film pair naturally with a Nolan Epic Biopic film, particularly without any common business involved behind the scenes to make it work.

    If anything the Barbenheimer thing was IMO much more on the part of cinemas and trades pointing out that there were two very different big budget films with a-list casts and creative teams releasing in the same week.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I don't think Barbenheimer was a plot, not at all. Some things just appear on the internet and the coincidence of two major, creator-driven projects opening on the same weekend was a fun wheeze to explore.

    And at the end of the day: doesn't every movie try to convince you to watch it? Of course people were convinced to see Barbie, and maybe most were thusly convinced 'cos they just liked what they saw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,933 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah from what I heard the cinemas just made lemonade with 2 big releases on the same day.

    Given the gender wars stuff going on over the last while, it was ripe for a gender wars parody movie. It might not go down as a timeless classic, but it was on the nose for the moment.

    It's not surprising that the Boards reviews wmare mostly scathing. The boards demographic is probably skewed toward the older, crankier, anti feminism side. That's fine as that's the market boards serves more than more modern social media platforms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,789 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Finally got to see it today and agree, what a load of crap and I say that as 3 females who watched it.

    So glad I didn't drag my husband along, he would have cracked up all together!