Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123625129#Comment_123625129

Since they're integration with vehicle manufacturers it's not an area that regulation should not be examining.

The bulk of the problem with this stuff is poorly educated and under resourced government departments. Private v public sector skillset.

pah

https://www.republicworld.com/business/grok-ai-to-be-integrated-in-tesla-vehicles-next-week-elon-musk

It's coming

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123625348#Comment_123625348

You want some kind of regulation that requires auto makers to disclose to customers how they are collecting and processing personal data, and especially to call out how any of that data is sent to 3rd party processors?

GDPR already covers what you are asking for, I don't think any automaker could get away with streaming hot mic data for any time without it getting picked up very quickly by security researchers and complaints immediately being made to the relevant authority.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123630225#Comment_123630225

In fairness you've hoped over how hopelessly understaffed the Irish regulator is and how woefully inadequate access is to companies harvesting data. If consequences were real Cambridge analytica would have been buried under fines.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123630266#Comment_123630266

FWIW I agree but unfortunately "expand the administrative state" has never won an election

Irish people are famously tax averse (e.g. spending thousands extra on an EV to save a couple hundred on road tax) and so always vote in parties that promise lower taxes while ignoring the consequences this has to public services

It's certainly a possibility that social media companies are based in Ireland because of toothless regulatory bodies but I suspect that's viewed more as a bonus than the main reason

If you want to start a party promising a massive improvement to public services funded by taxation then I'll actually vote for you. Unfortunately I suspect I'll be in the minority

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123630457#Comment_123630457

In this case it's a government choice. Not a lack of funding. We've acres of cash available for horse and pony shows. But regulation, purposefully toothless . Its got nothing to do with lack of funds or an increase in taxes to cover it. Tbf.

the_amazing_raisin

https://electrek.co/2025/07/15/retro-futuristic-diner-supercharger-is-here-looks-sick/

Okay, let it not be said that I won't give credit where it's due, the Tesla Diner looks pretty cool and is definitely a win from what I've seen

Dunno how involved Elon was in the design but I believe the whole cyberpunk diner style was his idea and it really works

No idea what the interior is like, I imagine it's just as cool as the outside

Biggest criticism I can think of is the cinema screens, they're a nice idea but they're facing the wrong way for half the cars. Also I shudder to think what they'll be showing if Elon is in charge of the playlist

Will it shift the needle on sales? Probably not in the short term, it's too early to tell if the diner will be a success or will be repeated elsewhere

If they do start rolling out their own diners at Supercharger locations then 8t could be a good business and they also wouldn't need to tie future hubs to existing businesses as they've done until now

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123642870#Comment_123642870

it kind of feels like time has passed this idea by - it was announced over 7 years ago, when the m3 was about to start deliveries and it was a wholly different EV landscape. the drive-in diner of the future idea probably made a lot more sense back then.

To be clear - this is literally one individual restaurant and supercharger, delivered over 7 years later, and no doubt massively over budget. As a standalone idea, it makes no sense in 2025, but I agree that it looks good

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123648602#Comment_123648602

Not to mention other networks have gotten in on the idea, Ionity and Fastned have figured out that there's more profit in coffee than kilowatts and are creating their own rest areas

Then you've the likes of Circle K and Maxol who've figured out that a customer pinned in place for 20 minutes will probably get hungry or thirsty

A lot will depend on the food and general customer experience I reckon. I've long complained that very often the only options at most charging hubs are miserable fast food like McDonalds

I'm not expecting Michelin star or anything but if Tesla can provide some nicer food and a better general experience then it could be a winner. I suspect there may also be a discount for owners which would sweeten the deal

I do agree, it's one location at a very busy area which is guaranteed to be profitable. It'll be interesting to see if the idea takes flight or if they just roll out a couple of locations in the US and call it quits