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Little changes we can make to normalise cycling and encourage its uptake

  • 15-11-2022 12:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭ b v


    Mine would be:

    Encouragement and promotion from an early age and normalising it. There’s no real reason mommy has to drive a tank with a 3 piece suite to drop Fintan and Sadbh to school. What’s wrong with a cargo bike with child seats? Older kids (ie, 9 and older) could cycle themselves. Growing up my cousin, my sister and I were walked to school by my mam or aunty and we walked ourselves as we got older, when I was 9 I started cycling myself. I’m 31 now.

    Allow helmet cam footage to be more expeditiously used to call bad driving to task.

    A reasonable expectation that your bike will still be there and not vandalised when you return.

    Enforce misuse of bus lanes and bike lanes unmercifully - zero tolerance.

    Encourage large supermarkets who don’t already do so to provide bike parking suitable for cargo bikes. My local has a HUGE car park with no bike parking whatsoever. A single car space could probably fit space for 5 or so cargo bikes.

    Abolish VAT on cycling gear.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭ Qrt


    As well as that, it’s very difficult to even get a crèche nearby these days.


    we really need to bring back school cycling lessons, I was meant to do mine “next year” when I was in fifth class but the recession came and they were all cancelled.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭ b v


    As long as the school cycling lessons don’t tell the children to “keep in off the road”, “cycle single file”, “don’t block the road”.

    Because we all know that’ll probably happen.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 47,320 ✭✭✭✭ tayto lover


    I think that cycling in towns/cities can be very dangerous. Everyone seems to be rushing somewhere. If there were proper routes that were safe i'd go back to cycling myself even at senior citizen age because i used to enjoy it. Now I find that the roads are full of people trying to prove that either the cyclist or the motorist is in the wrong and I don't want to get into that so i'll continue walking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭ growleaves


    Agree re segregated lanes. Make cycling less dangerous by separating it.

    Also punish rogue/ bad cyclists who run red lights. This shows people that bicycles are considered serious road vehicles, not toys, and protects pedestrians.

    "We have years of struggle ahead, mostly within ourselves" - Jean-Luc Godard



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭ b v


    How many parents are doing as you describe in an unnecessarily large car?

    How many people doing so could easily use a mixture of walking / cycling / public transport? Not for everyone, I know but those options are definitely under-utilised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    Stop the deliberate Government policy which creates the adversarial environment between motorists and cyclists, including the catastrophic DMURS policy which has reduced shared space and created conflict points.

    I cycled 9kms to and from school 30 years ago and for 6 years never had a serious incident because there was space to take avoiding action.

    I drove through a good chunk of south Dublin City last night for the first time in a while and was horrified at the plastic bollard pollution which has taken over in places like Ranelagh, Kilmainham, Islandbridge and the Phoenix Park. They trap cyclists, reduced visibility for all, visually pollute historic areas and because they aren't maintained right, end up as filthy broken hazards - mainly for cyclists and pushchairs!

    The way to encourage cycling is to improve cycle parking, lockers and shower facilities at destination work places and schools, to introduce cycle education for all young people in early school.

    The other even more important step is to prioritise a passenger led revolution in public transport to make use of a bike to meet a bus, tram or train an efficient, frequent and safe option for all from 12 to 92.

    The OP talks about helmet cams. This presupposes that the wearing of cycle helmets is widespread enough to make it viable. It isn't. Make helmets as compulsory as seat belts in cars and we'll talk about helmet cams.

    And he talks about zero tolerance for bus and cycle lane violations. Interesting....

    This is an extract of a montage of a cycleway scheme proposal for a number of roads approaching Dun Laoghaire town, which was approved by DLR Council last night.

    This particular location is Mounttown Road Lower. The proposal is for a lovely two-way segregated cycle route, but the corridor limitations mean that now the traffic lanes that remain will scarcely be wide enough for two buses or HGVs to pass without losing mirrors or paint and the householders of these 90 odd year old houses along the route, will now find accessing and leaving their own driveways almost impossible due to reduced space and lane segregation and the possibility for visitor and carer parking close to the very much older residents that live there, is removed.

    If you want to encourage cycling, stop holding it up as the cause of so much misery and negativity in communities.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭ Ottoman_1000


    I'd say the numbers unnecessarily doing it are not a high as you think. Unfortunately 99% of Irish towns and cities just do not have great/or any public transport or cycle infrastructure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭ b v


    Take a look at big towns like Swords or Santry or any town on the DART line and let me know.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34


    Congratulations.

    But there is no justifying this mess.

    Merely a sample.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,553 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Okay, first off Santry and Swords aren't on the DART line 😉

    And there's still a swarm of cars leaving Swords every morning to get to various destinations because the majority of people who live in Swords seem to work somewhere else

    There's good bus connections into the city, but cycling to the city from Swords wouldn't be much fun because there's no decent cycle lanes that I know of

    So I don't really get what you were going for with using Swords as an example



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭ Alias G


    I beg to differ. The majority of urban car journeys are between 2 and 8 km in distance. I spend every day transporting myself and/or the kids to work/school or various activities and I am genuinely baffled why anyone would willingly sit in lines of traffic as I swan past unhindered. Sure, not everyone's situation means they can abandon the car but plenty could however they just can't seem to see past the perceived comforts and convenience of the car. I might take the car out once or twice every two weeks and even at that I often regret not opting for the bike when faced with another line of barely shifting traffic.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭ b v


    Who said that were on the DART line? No one here suggested they were.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭ b v


    And that’s exactly what this thread is about…. Encouraging cycling, creating infrastructure and changing that.



    There's good bus connections into the city, but cycling to the city from Swords wouldn't be much fun because there's no decent cycle lanes that I know of



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭ callaway92


    Whatever is done, it needs to start for people at a very young age. People in their 20s upwards just won’t change, no matter what happens



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,090 ✭✭✭ SeaSlacker


    Ugh, eco-ablism. Yuck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,828 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms


    Far more cyclists don’t obey traffic markings or the road traffic act in general. Traffic lights and their adherence to stopping for them when legally necessary is pathetic.

    you won’t normalise and encourage cycling in this climate..The average number of wet days (days with more than 1mm of rain) ranges from about 150 days a year along the east and south-east coasts, to about 225 days a year in parts of the west.

    We don’t live in a Mediterranean climate… if we did this debate would have some credibility but when you don’t have appropriate weather most of the year, enough safe cycling infrastructure and or the ability in many cases to add it to existing roadways…..

    So an uptake in cycling ? Not on any major scale and the cost of procuring cars is about to drop by 2.5-3.0 %



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,019 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    How often have you reported terrible road manners by drivers to Gardai?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,019 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    What percentage of drivers break speed limits? How often do you break the speed limit yourself?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭ Larbre34




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