Pubs and Clubs to get longer opening hours

Beechwoodspark

fair play to him, Peadar Toibin calling for the Bill to be scrapped too.

Beechwoodspark

Sinn Fein rep (didn’t catch her name) on now saying there’s a clear need to do a health impact assessment before going any further.

Also compared the public transport in Berlin to Ireland - there are no similar services here.

PTH2009

Eitherway they should do something about Sunday times. It's frustrating seeing places close at 1am (12.30 last orders)

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956044#Comment_121956044

AAI are neoprohibitionists incapable of holding a balanced view on anything related to alcohol.

This isn't ill thought out and should have been enacted decades ago

Beechwoodspark

it is great to hear respected public health professionals like Dr Gilheaney and TDs from both opposition and Govt, on national radio agreeing this proposal is ill thought out - you get the sense it will be scrapped.

On balance, good news.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956090#Comment_121956090

AAI are not respected

TDs acting as publicans mouthpieces want to stop this as they don't want the competition of new licences and cultural licences.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956064#Comment_121956064

You might change your mind about that if you were living next door to a very noisy pub. Especially if you had to be up early in the morning for work.

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956188#Comment_121956188

Not a big issue giving the normal noise 6 other nights of the week

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956188#Comment_121956188

Easy enough to go to the pub with some neighbours, speak to the manager, say you've been keeping a tab on noise levels and times, and you will object to the licence renewal if it continues.

I did this and it worked

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956638#Comment_121956638

Living on a street with 3 pubs, one across the road. Thankfully one across is mostly a day time boozer and the lunatics are gone by 10pm

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956638#Comment_121956638

I actually told my friend that he could object to the licence. He spoke to the publican several times and was laughed at. The noise is coming from the yard of the pub where he has music 4 nights a week, until 1 am at weekends. He is in trouble with the planning office too I hear because he had no permission to extend out the back.

Beechwoodspark

Good to see Dr Gilheaney was given some time on the six o clock RTÉ news.

She makes imminent sense.

Full public health impact assessment required before this goes anywhere.

That Sunny Sharp guy from “give us back the night” is ineffectual, Stephen Kenny levels of communication skills - does their side no good.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956921#Comment_121956921

Are you deliberately or accidentally misspelling his name?

AAI have zero credibility, anywhere, ever. Supported MUP which transfers harm to drugs; supported the ridiculous retail setup that makes alcohol even more appealling to kids by making it seem "naughty".

Neoprohibitionists with zero sense, and thankfully very few people falling for their crap.

PTH2009

Covid showed the public health organisations thoughts on alcohol and they banged the drum against its for most part

They know best for us, I doubt they have any respect for the OAP having a few pints etc

Wanderer78

so longer opening hours will cause a significant rise in road accidents, thats interesting!

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956968#Comment_121956968

Well it's not that much of a stretch to make such an argument.

The longer people spend drinking the longer it takes it to ware off, so if you are driving the next morning after a late night out then you may not be as capable as if you had stopped earlier in the night.

I've been in such situations, you plan on leaving early but the night is going well and there is a venue still serving you keep going, with the attitude, "I'll be fine"

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957139#Comment_121957139

Personal responsibility comes into play here Fr. Tod.

And I'm sure you managed to make the right decision as do most people.

As for AAI, they insisted on MUP to control our drinking in the safety of our own home.

Now they are fretting about us ending up in hospital if we go out for a drink.

Let's face it their problem is with us drinking at all.

Pauliedragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957139#Comment_121957139

A lot of people aren't going home as when the pubs close do people like AAI not realise that with all their "research". At any given weekend night I have the option of heading to 3 or 4 different houses for drinks after closing and I'm in my mid 40's with a small group of friends. Imagine what people in their 20's or 30's are doing. Opening venues later will not decrease late night drinking it will just move it from houses to pubs/clubs. The naivety of some people who don't realise this is dumbfounding.

PTH2009

Times tonight makes things more confusing

Guess 12.30 is last orders in all bars

Jackben75

wouldn't be concerned about this at all, lived in OZ for many a year with more or less 24 hour bars, as you get into the deep hours of night, a lot of the bars clubs become crap and empty out, yeah you'll have stragglers and the odd group here and there but it will be few and far between after the novelty has worn off

Kermit.de.frog

I'm in two minds on this. On the one hand it would get us in line with other countries.

On the other hand no one can possibly deny this country has a disturbingly dysfunctional relationship with alcohol versus most other countries.

We all know the trouble that happens when clubs close on a weekend.

It's a definite risk to implement here. Would we simply be transferring the problems to all parts of the day?

We all know people on a night out who, but for last orders, would drink until they couldn't stand.

Will people be going to work as drunks fall out of establishments first thing in the morning?

Would we be making a chronic societal problem just worse?

These are not unreasonable questions to ask.

Basically to be won over by the arguments you have to believe that more access will mean less drinking, less problems.

That's a hard argument to make in Ireland, sadly.

Pauliedragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958647#Comment_121958647

Difference over there though is they're far stricter when it comes to getting completely hammered.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958677#Comment_121958677

On the one hand it would get us in line with other countries.

On the other hand no one can possibly deny this country has a disturbingly dysfunctional relationship with alcohol versus most other countries

Its almost as if our dysfunctional relationship with alcohol is a result of our prohibition style laws around alcohol availability

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956930#Comment_121956930

I didn’t think kids could actually buy alcohol though 🤔 legally

have many people crossed close paths with either an alcoholic or drug addict, those whose minds have been seriously bent by long term heavy misuse, and likely whose bodies have been destroyed by same?

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963797#Comment_121963797

I'd say all of us gave, if we're being honest.

And we know full well that these people will not go home when they are "ready" because they are never ready.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121936253#Comment_121936253

Far too expensive to do that nowadays. Almost €6 a pint of Guinness with another price rise incoming.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963797#Comment_121963797

You can argue the same for any addicts. Drink, drugs, gambling, porn, food, cigarettes, phone screens, gaming, religion, fitness, whatever to excess - it will take its toll on the mind and body. However, should we ban/restrict everything because a few cannot cope without succumbing to excesses?

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940086#Comment_121940086

I’d say the negotiations would go something like “Ok lads, you have to do the job you’re paid for during the hours your shift is scheduled for”.

Seems fairly handy.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964273#Comment_121964273

Industrial relations negotiations in this country may “seem fairly handy” at the outset - VERY different story when the two sides sit down to do a deal - especially with the public sector.