6 month suspended sentence for sending 16 derogatory messages

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784555#Comment_119784555

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/10/21/man-43-given-suspended-sentence-for-sending-sexually-explicit-videos-to-td-jennifer-carroll-macneill/

"The court previously heard that Culhane sent the TD 13 messages over the period in question, including three sexually explicit videos"

It couldn't just be that the OP made an error after seeing "13" and "three". It has to be a lie now.

Oooh look he's repeating an incorrect number. Its a sign of how misinformation works.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784645#Comment_119784645

They also said it was a 6 month sentence, another wrong number. And they claimed that because they couldn't find a link to it, that made it a non story. Dodgy stuff all round, deliberate or just ignorant.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784587#Comment_119784587

Yes. But there are people out there who for various reasons may perceive a situation incorrectly, they may think someone wants them to make a big move, or they may have been falsely told that someone said they were into them. They may be high, or mentally a bit touched, going through a difficult time, low iq, or the victim of trolls, or trying to get back with someone. Any number of situations. Perhaps even sending content to an unintended recipient could come into it.

(This applies across all sexualities and in both directions btw).

the sensible thing to do would be to gradually escalate the rejection of such messages.

From 'no' to 'go away' to 'your blocked' to 'complaint and a police warning' to 'court'.

Not from 'no' and 'go away', and then straight to 'court'.

A warning by police removes all misunderstanding and all extenuating circumstances.

Why anyone would object to that step, which 100% clarifies everything instantly, I don't know.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784706#Comment_119784706

well jesus. the plot thickens.

<------ conspiracy forum

HeidiHeidi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784771#Comment_119784771

How do you know this wasn't all done?

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784796#Comment_119784796

Why would I think it was?

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783946#Comment_119783946

This reads like an incel defensive piece.

Nature has designed us with creepiness tendancies? Mankind would be doomed without a bit of creepiness?

What the **** am I reading?

It's surprisingly easy to not send unsolicited dick pics.

People send nudes? Sure, if it's consensual then have at it but no-one has to receive unwarranted vulgar messages and porn. Like, that's a pretty low bar to not get a suspended sentence, it's really not that hard to not harass someone.

Women have concerns about their safety when out and about and this attempting to justify creepy behaviour does nothing to reduce those fears.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783421#Comment_119783421

Nothing wrong with the suspended sentence. These cases, I would argue, are much softer rather than the case you mentioned at the start being heavy handed.

Don't harass people. Sending unsolicited messages of a sexual nature to someone who doesn't know you is harassment and it breaks the basics of social contacts.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784771#Comment_119784771

You will have to get on to TD's to ask them to get this offence included in those which are eligible for a Garda caution. No point in harping on about it in this particular case, the option was not available.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784920#Comment_119784920

I was wondering how long before 'incel' got trotted out. its the new godwins law.

I'd wager you're trying to misunderstand anything I've said ... theres a certain word I can't use. But just in case you're legit, maybe put your readers on and go back.

"attempting to justify" my hole.

Morris Garren

'Nature has designed us with creepiness tendencies' ???

Speak for yourself. You should try a new hobby or something.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784948#Comment_119784948

Why would I have to do anything.

I'm not at that level of dumb or desperate where it might affect me.

Just pointing out some flaws. This method will basically just dredge up every 'creep' and among them will be some wastes of the courts time - unfortunate lads who need a social worker more than a solicitor. A knock on the door would sort the dangerous ones out from the clowns and eejits. Probably save taxpayers some money.

But hey ho. Throw public money at it.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785041#Comment_119785041

Which sex/gender is the creepier?

across all human history.

dxhound2005

And who would carry the can the first time one of them rapes someone, after getting an even gentler tap on the wrist than a suspended sentence for harrassing a public figure anonymously for over two months with porn videos?

The main reason that this man is not behind bars is because of lack of prison space. The legislation was designed to include prison sentences of up to two years for this sort of offending.

20Wheel

both a caution or a suspended sentence allow the individual to remain out of prison, so no difference in capability of committing such a crime.

dxhound2005

I was wrong about the two years, he could have got seven. Definitely not a case for a caution.

"Judge Ryan said the maximum sentence for the offence was seven years and there was a number of aggravating factors. These were the number of messages, the effect they had on the victim during a stressful period in her life and the fact she did not know the identity of the person sending the messages when she was out in public every day.

In mitigation, the judge took into account Culhane’s early plea, his remorse, his co-operation with gardaí and his lack of previous convictions. She imposed a one-year suspended sentence, a condition of which will be that he must not contact the TD in any way and must stay away from her, her home, her constituency office and the environs of Leinster House for five years."

20Wheel

seven years for sexual creepiness/harassment by text. lol. jesus. yeah, maybe a bit much.

not to condone such crimes but i think i'll have to agree with op that its a bit of a clown show.

dxhound2005

It does not even have to be sexual to make people's lives a misery, and to risk going to jail. This was in England, but the thread has already included another UK case.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-62925746

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784796#Comment_119784796

do we know if she replied to him at all?

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785303#Comment_119785303

I've read a few reports but they're basically all the same. We only know for certain there were 13 messages which included 3 porn clips downloaded from t'internet. And he kept sending them because he wasn't blocked. That's it. The fact he pleaded guilty means most likely he accepted the evidence and nothing was read out in court, straight conviction. So no real details I reckon.

I can see why they set it to 7 years, a deterrence. But I do agree with the OP insofar as it seems quite high in comparison to other crimes. Then again, we shouldn't be comparing crimes so... I dunno, lack of detail means we don't know exactly what was sent, he admitted guilt immediately and cooperated, apologised and did whatever else was required of him. Far from a dangerous person imo. At the end of the day though, who knows! I also think she used quite a lot of good buzz words, whatever that's worth.

Tis a whole lot of nothing in the end really. She wants to move on. He has been convicted and has a 12 month sentence hanging over him. I'd say there's people on here more upset than she is.

Now, I wonder how many thugs got away with assault or burglary this week. I think the whole point of the OP was to compare that it seemed a bit much in comparison to other sentences. But that's all down to person preference on how you rank crimes.

wotzgoingon

What the hell is the issue. I wish a woman would send me messages and then a few naked pictures to top it all off.

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784276#Comment_119784276

Never heard of any of those people. Have you some connection with this weirdo that you're so keen to downplay his carry on?

rolling boh

He was bang out of order who knows where this carry on would end if there is no sanction and the person receiving these messages just shrugs them off . There has to be consequences for this behaviour.

Potential-Monke

I don't like this who knows where it would have ended craic. It's the same as saying he would never have sent another one if he was asked to stop. No one knows.

rolling boh

I would have a serious issue with sending porn clips like he did not just text messages giving out about something .

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784963#Comment_119784963

Sure thing.

osarusan

On a place like boards where people are regularly (and rightly) complaining about overly-lenient sentencing, it's always weird to see somebody using some examples of absurdly lenient sentencing to question other sentences imposed.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785555#Comment_119785555

Downplay. Ffs.

Well it is after hours, so what can you expect.

🤡

circadian

I thought the midterm break was next week?

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058268678/6-month-suspended-sentence-for-sending-16-derogatory-messages

She can't take a case, only the DPP can