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Should there be an obesity tax?

  • 04-10-2022 10:43pm
    Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Relax brah

    Overweight people consume more and are more unhealthy requiring greater medical resources - we seen this during covid with death rates correlating to overweight individuals.

    An obesity tax should be considered or their health premium should at least be 3/4x higher




  • Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Relax brah

    Valid point and definitely a more sustainable course of action without fat shaming.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭dmc17

    No, I can't afford another tax on top of the increase in food prices

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  • Registered Users Posts: 31,504 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN

    From looking around at the general population, it would easily bring in more than corporation tax!

    Maybe we should keep it in reserve for when all the big US multi nationals up and leave?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭standardg60

    I've long had a problem with community rating in regards to health insurance.

    In all other facets of life, insurance is based on potential risk, i don't see health insurance as anything other than a state sanctioned ponzi scheme, encourage people at the bottom to sponsor those at the top.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭AllForIt

    Yes it's a total myth that to be healthy you have to spend more. In fact you can spend less in combination with the fact you will eat less because unhealthy food leads one to eat too much.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Relax brah

    The chances of becoming sick are much higher if you are obese. Similar to cigarette smokers - look at the price of a box of smokes now?

    Being overweight is not a medical condition people choose to abuse their bodies in that manner

  • Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Relax brah

    Well it’s getting worse because junk food is cheap and easily available - its a vicious cycle

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,345 ✭✭✭✭elperello

    Read my lips, no new taxes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭global23214124

    I don't think that makes sense to do that. I'd say plenty of people are over eating to deal with other issues they have so it would be weird to tax. Put tax on the cheap high calorie stuff like potato chips.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,755 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack

    The amount of tax anyone pays isn’t based on their physical characteristics. It would be an administrative nightmare in any case which would cost more to administer than it would generate in revenue -

    Respondents were asked their weight and height from which a Body Mass Index (BMI) was then calculated. Based on this, respondents reported that over half of them (56%) were overweight or obese (with over a quarter, 26%, registering as obese alone).

    Males (61%) are more likely to be overweight or obese than females (49%), and older people are generally more likely to be overweight than younger people. The age group 65-74 years report that two-thirds (66%) of them are overweight or obese, over twice the levels for persons aged 15-24 years (31%). 

    While all classes of affluence / disadvantage indicate that around 55% of those groups report as being overweight or obese, the Very disadvantaged group report the highest levels of being overweight or obese at 58% of that group.

    Insurance premiums are a different story entirely, entirely at the behest of insurance providers.

  • Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Relax brah

    A lot of people turn to drugs for the same. They get arrested or fined - why should it be any different?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭beachhead

    Isn't there a sugar content tax here on soft drinks? Already a tax on alcohol-doesnt it make you fat? Maybe tax on smoking should be higher as when you stop smoking you eat more.The obesity tax would be a start,it could be expanded to ugly people,short etc etc etc

  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭global23214124

    I think the arrests for drug use in the serious cases aren't going to help in most cases either. They'll just be and out if you are addicted. That should be treated as a mental health issue as well as severe obesity.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭gary550

    Alcohol abuse and subsequent economic cost far outweighs (ha ah pun there) the overall cost of obesity. Same with smoking.

    We tax smokers, really quite significantly. Currently there is estimated to be over 700k smokers in Ireland who smoke daily. That number is reducing all the time but still will be many many years before that number is reduced to any significantly meaningful level. It would probably require all of the current generation of puffers to die.

    The difference between smoking and eating is only one is essential!

    If you look at how our diet has changed in the last 50 years it's drastic. Everyone talks about sugar but nobody talks about how we are consuming an abhorrent amount of vegetable and seed oils now. You go to a supermarket and buy and chicken and it's loaded with omega 6 which has been linked to weight gain, you buy vegetables that are probably loaded with endocrine disruptors associated with the process of commercial cultivation and all the chemicals that come with it. You buy butter and it's over 50% seed and vegetable oils - what's the need for it other than companies trying to flog **** food.

    Why don't we tax the people & companies who produce **** food?

    Why stop at the fatties? By your logic let's tax the cripples, the mentally handicap and people with low IQ - all will require additional resource's at some point let's beat the curve!!

    Working hard so my future wife can turn our house grey, buy a crushed velvet sofa and put live, laugh, love stickers on every wall

  • Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭Kurooi

    Obese people consume more, so they should pay more - well that happens already. The more you consume the more you pay if it takes someone double the food to satisfy then they must buy double the food.

    Health insurance- if private then again this already happens. They ask weight, height, calc bmi. It hits premiums.

    If public health, I'd have two points , 1. have you ever used it? I did only once in my life and had to wait half a year for a stupid scan. Don't bother and don't charge people extra for this level of 'service' 2. There would be better predictors than weight. Mostly age. I bet there is a much stronger correlation of usage of public health service and age than same with weight. Now, I wouldn't go after them. Would you?

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

    Sure, along ones for all the other preventable causes of illness - drinking, speeding, sports and so on. How about stacking against the old as well as they must account for a big slice of the expense. Once you open that gate there is no end to the opportunities for cost cutting including your own favorite activities.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,507 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    And how does the state go about proving that a person is obese or otherwise so they can be taxed ? Obesity is a medical condition that can only be diagnosed by a doctor.

    5.12 million is our population approximately… 5.12 GP visits, just to check for obesity, all the paperwork, admin, doesn’t sound like it wyou be good value.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭downtheroad

    People don't choose to get old. They do choose to be obese.

  • A leap. Lifestyle versus something someone can't help.

    And there's no "may" about it. I don't know if what the OP proposes is the answer, but dishonest comparison.

  • Registered Users Posts: 77,812 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn

    I believe planes should have pre-departure cages to see if you fit in to a seat, if you don't you should pay double with the balance going to those having to sit next to you.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    The world is over populated as is OP so no leave them to it.