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Only 4% of houses with smart meters are on smart plans



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly

    According to the piece on pat Kenny today, we just don't understand them. Nothing to do with the rates being dearer than day/Night.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭monkeybutter

    Free leccy on a saturday from 9am to 5pm, but much higher rate the rest of the time

    great ideas

    Box ticking excercise is all this was, I'm sure the fitting of the meters was all done at best value as well, by lads from up norf

    They should bin all the re-sellers of gas and electricity, tis false capitalism

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭coolisin

    It was reading up on it here and I think it was yourself Unkel that may have pointed out how sh1t they actually are.

    When we did the maths it made no sense for us to switch to a smart plan. Made little to no sense either for us to switch to the 1 day free at a weekend plan either the difference in price per Kwh didn't make a difference.

    We have a smart meter that is doing nothing except getting us an correct bill every month.

    Now some people they might work for but our circumstances it wouldn't or didn't.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭Nermal

    It's not just the rates - it's the entire concept.

    How is it progress for me, the consumer, to have to adjust my behaviour to match the vagaries of generation?

    As a consumer: I simply don't care how you ensure demand and supply match. That's your job. Do it and don't pass the cost of doing so on to me.

  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk

    dont you know that they save us money.. by telling us how much we use.. so we can use less...

    </sarcasm obvs>

    Ive had an owl meter for at least 10 yrs now.

    Night boost, free weekend (yeah 100kwh a month!?)

    Energia for example., comparing their new prices (from oct) smart tariff vs their oct EV rate.

    The night rate is double! Standing charge is the same on 24 hr and smart plans.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose

    Smart meter savings = smoke and mirrors.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭monkeybutter

    the is part of solution

    they should be forcing all the companies to be offering night savers etc for no extra cost to level demand

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,985 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori

    Have on fitted and looked at the rates. It's way way more expensive for me to switch to the new rates.

  • Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭Ethereal Cereal

    Maybe this is not a great place to ask, hah, but any recommendations on smart tarrifs?

    I recently got a smart meter installed, and have an interest in moving my heavy power use activities to off peak rate. I have delayed start on the washing machine, dishwasher, generally shower before 8am, etc etc...

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA

    If 4% adoption rate doesn't scream massive failure then I don't know what does

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,956 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus

    as long as there is no day / night option or ev friendly tariffs i will be refusing installation.

  • Registered Users Posts: 65,256 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!

    Whatever way you see it @Nermal, at some times of the day electricity at wholesale prices is really cheap (sometimes free or just 1c /kWh), some times it is very expensive (€1 / kWh). These are the real costs that will have to be borne by the consumer of the electricity. As of now, you pay a fixed rate for all units. Perhaps some suppliers will keep offering this flat rate service

    The opportunity of the smart meters is to let people use very cheap and green electricity from sun or wind and only charge a tiny bit for that, but if they chose to use very expensive and filthy cancer causing electricity from burning coal, let them, but punish them for that. Unfortunately this is not what is reflected in any of the smart plans currently available

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w

    My understanding is that smart meters can't avail of day/night tariffs

  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭idc

    The only case where smart plan is better than equivalent day/night plan is Electric Ireland! But your only better off for 2 hours in the middle of the night. (plus other providers might have cheaper plans overall anyway!!!)

  • Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭Ethereal Cereal

    This I don't understand. Surely you need a smart meter to avail of any day/night tariff. How else is your supplier able to identify which time of the day you are using power?

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,601 ✭✭✭micks_address

    ive a smart meter but on standard tarriff as it made no sense to go with one of the 2 hour night cheap rates and then expensive energy during the day.. i havent thought about taking it out and getting a day / night meter.. with a day night meter can you paid for solar export to grid?

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,956 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus

    the opposite is true, older meters count units based on time used, its simple to see when you are using power once the meters are read.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭monkeybutter

    when I checked they had a mixture of tariffs, day/night, sunday/sat etc

    you'd want to be working your balls off trying to organise yourself to make use of either

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭lawred2

    nothing false about it

    It's pure capitalism - privatise a captive market and call it competition. Nothing but a massive wealth transfer vehicle.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭StrawbsM

    That doesn’t sound very smart! 😂

    I have had smart meter installed. Just checked on bonkers and I’m currently making the best savings I can (normal 24 hour tariff).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭lawred2

    it's not day/night - it's day/peak/night at higher rates than older day/night meters

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,508 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger

    I've always maintained that it's 100% deliberate that the smart meter tariffs are positioned to be more expensive than the others. Deliberate - and they know that the uptake will be poor as a result.

    The reason being is that you can picture the **** storm of old age pensioners phoning up Joe Duffy complaining that they can't get one of these new fangled "smart meters" so that they can save themselves a tenner a month in leccie. Especially now with the energy crisis. ESB networks as we know have to replace 2.4-2.5 million units and this will take years. You can imagine the last thing they want is undue pressure being brought on that program, so they discourage people from jumping on that bandwagon.

    As much as i like to think it's ineptitute on behalf of the suppliers, no it's too hard to believe that every single one of the (every single one!) all create tariffs that discourage usage. Believe me, they all know EXACTLY how many people are on them, and leaving aside the green aspects.....I suspect they could make more money if people were on smart. They run the numbers themselves. No - that's a deliberate move to discourage adoption in the short term. I betcha once they are all in place (or like 90%) you'll see tarfiffs which are better than straight 24hr

  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭idc

    Smart meters can record 30 minute blocks so it depends on the smart plan. for example EI have a night boost plan, day rate, night rate and then a even cheaper 2 hour rate from 2am till 4am.

    Day/Night meters have existed for years. You just supply two meter readings - one for day and one for night. Its so basic changing of the clocks is not handled so in winter time is from 11pm till 8am, and in summer midnight to 9am.

    That plan would make sense if your solar + battery cover most of the day requirements thus your not paying for any expensive day electricity

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,601 ✭✭✭micks_address

    You'd have to imagine they will start to use smart meters to encourage usage outside of 5 to 9pm if they want to change behaviours and take the pressure off the grid... set the price for those times high and outside of that half the price or something along those lines

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭StrawbsM

    I’ve just checked bonkers as I’m electric Ireland value saver plan at present. Pinergy would give me a saving of under 30 euro for the year. How long will pinergy stay in the market? The rest of the plans would cost me more.

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    I can only assume that that was said by a guest rather than Pat himself? Pat isn't normally that dumb - unless he's going senile.

  • Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭Ethereal Cereal

    Thanks @idc I see what you mean. I had a look here.

    I upgraded from the older 24 hours revolving disk meter. I've never actually seen a revolving disk meter with two disk for day and night.

    In spite of this thread with its general non specific complaining, I'm still glad I upgraded to smart meter.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,956 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus

    in what way are you glad? for the record my complaint is very specific.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,346 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52

    they wont take it back out for D/N

    IIRC there is a notional FIT, based on inverter, if D/N

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭Nermal

    Like I said: I don't care.

    I wasn't the one that caused this problem by connecting intermittent energy sources to the grid.

    Don't try to force the cost of doing that on to me.