Only 4% of houses with smart meters are on smart plans

Free leccy on a saturday from 9am to 5pm, but much higher rate the rest of the time

great ideas

Box ticking excercise is all this was, I'm sure the fitting of the meters was all done at best value as well, by lads from up norf

They should bin all the re-sellers of gas and electricity, tis false capitalism

Smart meter savings = smoke and mirrors.

Have on fitted and looked at the rates. It's way way more expensive for me to switch to the new rates.

If 4% adoption rate doesn't scream massive failure then I don't know what does

The only case where smart plan is better than equivalent day/night plan is Electric Ireland! But your only better off for 2 hours in the middle of the night. (plus other providers might have cheaper plans overall anyway!!!)

ive a smart meter but on standard tarriff as it made no sense to go with one of the 2 hour night cheap rates and then expensive energy during the day.. i havent thought about taking it out and getting a day / night meter.. with a day night meter can you paid for solar export to grid?

when I checked they had a mixture of tariffs, day/night, sunday/sat etc

you'd want to be working your balls off trying to organise yourself to make use of either

That doesn’t sound very smart! 😂

I have had smart meter installed. Just checked on bonkers and I’m currently making the best savings I can (normal 24 hour tariff).

I've always maintained that it's 100% deliberate that the smart meter tariffs are positioned to be more expensive than the others. Deliberate - and they know that the uptake will be poor as a result.

The reason being is that you can picture the **** storm of old age pensioners phoning up Joe Duffy complaining that they can't get one of these new fangled "smart meters" so that they can save themselves a tenner a month in leccie. Especially now with the energy crisis. ESB networks as we know have to replace 2.4-2.5 million units and this will take years. You can imagine the last thing they want is undue pressure being brought on that program, so they discourage people from jumping on that bandwagon.

As much as i like to think it's ineptitute on behalf of the suppliers, no it's too hard to believe that every single one of the (every single one!) all create tariffs that discourage usage. Believe me, they all know EXACTLY how many people are on them, and leaving aside the green aspects.....I suspect they could make more money if people were on smart. They run the numbers themselves. No - that's a deliberate move to discourage adoption in the short term. I betcha once they are all in place (or like 90%) you'll see tarfiffs which are better than straight 24hr

You'd have to imagine they will start to use smart meters to encourage usage outside of 5 to 9pm if they want to change behaviours and take the pressure off the grid... set the price for those times high and outside of that half the price or something along those lines

in what way are you glad? for the record my complaint is very specific.

im pretty sure they will as lots of folks have had it done.. but im not thinking about it yet

I've a smart meter in a holiday house, where I could very easily do some time based load shedding of a reasonable load by turning off dehumidification. The dehumidifiers are already on (2.9kW rated, and not Chinesium non-brand junk) smart sockets, I could programme in a time block for them right now. 22h (or 18h even I'd say) vs 24h dehumidification is not going to make a huge difference to the house.

Except I'd end up paying more overall than I do now if I did change to a smart plan.

That's an obscure enough example but there are probably tens of thousands of people in similar situation where a once off, low effort change would reduce peak load; without having to even remember basic things like doing your laundry at night.

surely you understsand why intermittent energy sources were connected to the grid and why they are good for us as a society?

its got very little to do with foolishness or lack of it and a lot to do with people not even understanding they have a smart meter in the first place

They'll take it out so long as you are on an MCC01 (24-hour) tariff and not moved onto an MCC12 or MCC16 tariff, which are smart.

Once you've gone to a smart tariff then you are stuck forevermore on it and they will refuse to replace it with a day/night meter.

I don't understand why they can't at least match day/night plans - or offset the additional peak tariff with an equivalent reduction in the night unit rate, or even have the peak rate and a reduced standing charge (day/night standing charges are often higher than smart time of use).

Reselling electricity is just such an obviously ridiculous premise that it should be part of a Monty Python sketch not a supposedly advanced economy.

The problem here is a lack of understanding what's available out there. You don't need a smart meter to understand your usage. If you invest in a €50-100 piece of tech (which anyone can install with no electrical knowledge) such as....

Amazon.co.uk: Efergy Technologies

and it will graph on the website your consumption by "minute", hour, day, etc. No solar installation involved

Again, I still reckon it's a deliberate move on the behalf of the suppliers to position the smart tariffs as non-competitive compared to the 24/day-night tariffs for the moment. They don't want 10,000's of people clamoring for them. It's inconceivable to me that there simply isn't anyone in any of the suppliers who doesn't know Excel and look at their breakdowns. I'm sure they know EXACTLY how many people are on what tariff. Probably have charts in the monthly meetings :-)

The problem is that with the recent media attention their plan may backfire, and they might have to make the tariffs more competitive .... which in turn may create the very problem they were trying to advert.

Speculation on my part, but the alternative theory that every single employee in every one of the suppliers billing systems side are morons......is not feasible to me. They know exactly what they are doing.

Yeah, I have to agree. Providers have run the numbers and they will lose money to give more competitive smart tariff. So why bother if they are not forced too (which could be media attention like the press story, or some form of 'stick' from CRU / political pressure)?

Btw, I'm pro smart meters as it's important we do shift our usage to help reduce emissions from the grid. Which you'd have to assume is the key benefit of them (not just to lay off the meter readers and replace old kit). But it's very hard for me to accept I should pay more for being responsible. And climate stuff matters a lot to me. There's clearly no 'carrot' for us as end users

Dumb Q, how can a smart meter tell the type of device using power by category? That would help most people for sure to see the 'buckets' of power they use. And how can it even tell if something is always on? I thought they could only show the usage during the time period, but not what type of device. Is there a 'signature' from certain types of devices?

Anyone have one on their smart meter to see if it's close enough in what it reports compared to their own stats on usage of devices?

Just did a quick Google and seems some were talking about that - content is a few years old (included a Boards thread).

on the electric ireland website it says all appliances have 'fingerprints' so they can bucket them that way...

Appliance Itemisation is powered by disaggregation...a process that takes the energy usage data from your meter and uses software algorithm to identify the individual appliances that are actually using the energy.

How does it work? Magic?

Not really! Each appliance uses electricity in a unique manner - think of it like an appliance fingerprint. We detect and extract these "fingerprints" and convert the data into useful insights and recommendations.