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First Communion preparation to be moved out of classrooms.

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    #182
    Sardonicat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119689552#Comment_119689552

    No box anymore as it goes against safeguarding children and vulnerable people. I'm not sure if they do a one to one or a general, group service where they all say an act of contrition and the priest gives absolution. I'm sure one of the practising catholics who contribute in here could clarify.



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    #183
    Odhinn
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    "Advocating to have it pushed out of schools and establishing Sunday schools is not a good direction to go."


    Why?



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    #184
    Donald Trump
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119689484#Comment_119689484


    Well the other young parents went out and set up a school with a Cahtolic ethos, or else support one that has a Catholic ethos................but yet you see plenty of other self-centred lazy wasters basically saying "ah yeah, we see you've gone and done the work there. I'd like that. C'mere, now that you have finished it, because I'm too busy and too special, please tear it down and build it back up again the way that suits me and do it now. wah wah wah. I'm special and unique and you exist only to serve me"



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    #185
    Odhinn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690045#Comment_119690045

    And what are you trying to say there - in english- if you would......



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    #186
    Alessandra Strong Surface
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119662043#Comment_119662043

    not sure where you get that idea from? It’s my experience schools are generally chosen based on:

    location (how far away), & reputation



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    #187
    Odhinn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690085#Comment_119690085

    Are you doing it right? Seeing as I've no clue what "point" you're trying to make, I'd say you were doing it wrong.



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    #188
    Sardonicat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690077#Comment_119690077

    He's trying to say that all Catholic parents go out and set up schools. Not that the State farmed out the setting up of schools to the Religious orders. Non Catholics are lazy is also something he's keen to get across, I think.



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    #189
    Donald Trump
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690167#Comment_119690167

    Interesting conclusion.

    I know at least one Catholic parent that didn't go out to set up schools. (In fact I know many many in that category)

    That blows your silly theory out of the water then doesn't it?



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    #190
    Sardonicat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690174#Comment_119690174

    My silly theory? Perhaps you should open up a history book.



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    #191
    Donald Trump
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690178#Comment_119690178

    Is there a history book about your (mis-)interpretation of my post?


    That was quick!! Sure I only posted it about 40 mins or so ago.



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    #192
    Odhinn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690183#Comment_119690183

    Well if hes gotten it wrong you might furnish him with a clear explanation of what you were trying to get at.



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    #193
    Danno
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690167#Comment_119690167

    Not that the State farmed out the setting up of schools to the Religious orders.

    When the State hadn't two red cents to rub together after the civil war it was the religious orders that set up schools, they set up hospitals and much more too.

    The liberals are very quick to highlight and criticise the wrongdoings done by the religious orders (alot of that criticism warranted) but are also very quick to overlook the good deeds the religious orders done for the people of this country down through the decades.



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    #194
    downtheroad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690017#Comment_119690017

    Because it will speed up the eradication of the catholic church in Ireland.

    Turkeys don't vote for christmas.



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    #195
    downtheroad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690017#Comment_119690017

    Catholic person - doesn't want to see the numbers fall.

    Non Catholic person - can't be bothered doing the confirmunion prep with little Johnny and Mary, easier to let the school do it.



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    #196
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119687373#Comment_119687373

    Yes, that's easy to do if they're millionaires with a lot of time on their hands.

    🙄

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #197
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119687423#Comment_119687423

    89% actually and the majority of the remainder are Church of Ireland.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #198
    Hotblack Desiato
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    @Donald Trump

    Quality contribution as ever. You are as well versed in bluster and bullshit as your namesake.

    Why should they have to go to all that trouble?

    Why is Catholic indoctrination the default?

    Clue for you - having both parents work is the norm for both catholic families and non-catholic families, but only one of the above is, according to you, expected to be at the beck and call of the school in order to protect their constitutional rights.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #199
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688076#Comment_119688076

    Hahahaha

    This is Ireland. The catholic religion must remain on a taxpayer funded pedestal.

    The government suggested that ETB secondary schools, which are fully state owned and funded, might offer an alternative subject to those opting out of religion. There was uproar from the usual suspects and it was claimed that not having to waste hours per week on religion would give the other kids an "unfair advantage".

    You really couldn't make this shît up... brainless.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #200
    Strumms
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    If you were in a Muslim country, im damn sure whatever religious aspects, education, preparation etc… that are presently associated with growing up it that faith wouldn’t be forced out of schools due to a few non Muslims attending.

    quite simply if there are people of other faiths or none who’d want to give it a miss… a general study session should be provided in a different class room or hall where they can read, study, even get a head start on homework…

    if a non Catholic student chooses St. Mary’s secondary school they should not be of the ability to change the curriculum… opt out of religious studies not in keeping with their faith..sure, 1000%, but preventing others from participating, preparing and learning..NO.

    shows again how little say Irish people have in their own affairs when others simply put their hand up and get offended because what school they join in a country they chose to come to can all of a sudden, amend a school curriculum…. Pitiful.



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    #201
    gameoverdude
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663144#Comment_119663144

    Wow!



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    #202
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119689303#Comment_119689303

    LOL

    Unwanted preaching is exactly the problem. But it's the Catholics doing it.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #203
    CptMonkey
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119689892#Comment_119689892

    Why not? Should religion not be thought on the sabbath? I think it should. You would get a real sense of who is catholic then. But I guess the church wouldn’t like that



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    #204
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119689899#Comment_119689899

    If we were serious about safeguarding children, we'd ban catholicism from schools.

    In the news - another cardinal has been found to have been raping kids, the church has "admonished" him, but has not reported his crimes to the police. Same old same old.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #205
    One eyed Jack
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690324#Comment_119690324


    The people who set up the Dalkey School Project weren’t millionaires either, they were just a group of people who were interested in offering an alternative to religious education -


    The Dalkey School Project was set up in 1975 to focus the commitment of those who wanted the option of schools within the National School System which would be multi- denominational, co-educational and under a democratic management structure and which would have a child-centred approach to education. The strategy of the new organisation was to work to get one school into the system first rather than argue principle at national level for many years to come.

    https://www.educatetogether.ie/sites/default/files/multi-denominational_schools_in_the_republic_of_ireland_1975-1995_by_aine_hyland.pdf


    You’re doing the same thing as you did earlier when I brought up the fact that homeschooling is becoming the fastest growing means that parents are choosing for the education of their own children - immediately you jumped to making the extreme association of homeschoolers with the Burkes, same as you’re now doing with associating the founding of a local school with millionaires.

    Nobody has to be a millionaire to start their own school, they just have to have an interest in education. Nobody has to be a qualified teacher either to educate their own children, with many parents finding they were a lot more capable than they thought and gaining a new found confidence and perspective in educating their own children while the schools were closed during lockdown and there was no access to formal education.

    You’re looking for solutions on a grand scale, when it’s simply neither feasible nor necessary, and the most practical and effective solutions to the issues parents face in the education of their own children are easier to tackle and easier to gain support for at local level within their local communities, as opposed to concerning themselves with trying to overhaul the national education system.

    Your approach, which appears to be based upon finding reasons why you can’t do something, has had the expected effect on the national education system in the last 50 years - it’s changed nothing. The approach of changing things at local level and gaining support from the local community appears to have had a far more significant impact on the education system than simply coming up with all the reasons why you can’t change anything.



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    #206
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690229#Comment_119690229

    This is complete and utter bullshit.

    The state (taxpayers) has been funding all health and education in Ireland since the second half of the 19th century.

    In any case all funding the religious orders had in Ireland was extracted (upon pain of eternal hellfire 🙄 ) from the Irish people. Much of it went to Rome.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #207
    Odhinn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690374#Comment_119690374

    ..seems to ignore the facts of lack of an alternative to catholic ethos schools. Why the hell should any religous ethos schools receive funding from a secular state?



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    #208
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690374#Comment_119690374

    Is Saudi Arabia the sort of country we should be comparing ourselves with?

    FFS the absolute state of what people are coming out with in order to defend the status quo they don't even believe in... 🙄

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #209
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690468#Comment_119690468

    An uncle’s English wife was telling us about having to go to Sunday School after dinner every Sunday. It wasn’t until she was married herself that she realised that it was so her parents had an hour to themselves without interruption! Nothing whatsoever to do with religion!



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    #210
    One eyed Jack
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119690538#Comment_119690538


    Because secularism doesn’t mean that the State discriminates against religious education providers in its provision for education. It means there is a separation between religion and the State. The State doesn’t get to tell religions what to do, and vice versa - religions don’t get to tell the State what to do.



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    #211
    Vestiapx
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688045#Comment_119688045

    As I said already I was told no when I asked if the re classes could be at eod so I could collect my child and leave. Instead of have to visit them in the middle of the day and that just not feasible.

    So I stead of a school in a mile radius that all their friends go to I get to stick my kid in an et school 17 miles away because the rules are slightly less discrimatory.


    There are no schools for people that thi k religion is the science of the people that didn't have soap



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