Motor Tax

Henry Ford III

Welcome to spam central where the same poster keeps posting the same old tired hackneyed shite time after time.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119598075#Comment_119598075

I think that is a bit simplistic. An overall system should be reasonable and simple overall i.e. the more you drive and consume the more you pay.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119598089#Comment_119598089

You seem bored? Best to move on then.

elperello

It's a thread about Motor Tax in the Motors Forum, seems fair to me.

There might be new subscribers with a different take on things or people who didn't discuss this before for any number of reasons.

IMO it's way past time they laid off the pre 08 cars.

(and no it's not an opinion driven by personal circumstance)

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119597169#Comment_119597169

So talk is only reasonable and a debate when it's inline with your way of thinking?

I think you need to take some of your own advise then as your annual suggestions and figures read like something pulled from a certain part of the anatomy.

saabsaab

As usual some love to derail the thread. What I am saying makes sense and the older systems are overdue a change. What is the change you'd like to see?

ordinaryfella

A fine gael senator was talking about changing the system, so maybe not as futile as people think. I'd support a flat fee or perhaps a system similar to the Dutch to discourage heavy cars.

Consumption is already taxed on fuel, so it feels rather unfair to hand over a wad of cash every year. Pre 2008 is clearly broken too, punishes those with less money

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119599222#Comment_119599222

That is true but even post 08 system is out of date now and with more and more electric cars the tax take overall is falling making a revised system almost certain.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119598179#Comment_119598179

That's right but with the high rate of tax most of them won't have a chance to make it and will be scrapped prematurely.

A 2litre will pay €10,650 tax in the next 15 years, more if you can't pay annually.

An Ri rua

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119597189#Comment_119597189

It doesnt work for me. I drive a pre 2008 as Im frugal. Its an immoral charge on frugal, thrifty and cashpoor people. Its plain wrong.

An Ri rua

This thread is a bag of b*llsh*t, from the 1st post.

Anyone with an ounce of decency knows that the polluter should pay. And that should be softened where, despite the best will in the world, car owners who cannot afford to, or its a poor decision to, change their car to electric, should not be punished for merely owning it ala standing charge /motor tax.

Virtue signalling should cost proper money too. The solution is to cut down our mileage and stupid lifestyles, not punish legacy frugal ICE owners. Less playdates and under 12 cross county games FFS. Responsible living and low charges for sh1t unless you USE it. That includes roads, not just fuel. Hence motor tax, and EVs should be salted with that.

saabsaab

Road tax is a charge wheather you use it a little or not!

endacl

More likely it’ll be added to fuel and increased on engines to cushion any emerging shortfall as more people switch over to electric.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119600603#Comment_119600603

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119599236#Comment_119599236

Well if the proposed policy change is to arrest the decline in motor tax revenue, its pretty simple just introduce a new minimum motor tax rate of say €300 pa and leave everything else as it is.

EV drivers still getting away with murder paying no or very limited Vrt, no fuel duty and being handed €5k by the hard pressed taxpayer everytime they want to sit their rear end into a shiny new €40 to €60k toy. The last thing we need at this stage is to be concerned about making it even cheaper to drive EVs

Seth Brundle

EV drivers still getting away with murder paying no or very limited Vrt, no fuel duty and being handed €5k by the hard pressed taxpayer everytime they want to sit their rear end into a shiny new €40 to €60k toy. The last thing we need at this stage is to be concerned about making it even cheaper to drive EVs

Does the grant not make used prices cheaper also therefore helping make them available to people who may not be able to (or want to) afford a new model?

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601143#Comment_119601143

You would think that but at the moment, second hand EV prices are pretty close to new prices. They're almost depreciation proof!

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601182#Comment_119601182

Seems to me that the grant is almost being treated as something separate to the actual price of new EVs, a cash transfer to people buying new EVs rather than something that reduces the price of the car. IMO new EVs should be listed net of grant just as they are listed gross of Vrt.

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119600572#Comment_119600572

No such thing as Road Tax (unless you consider Toll roads)

That circular disc on the windscreen is a tax on having a motor , ie.. motor tax . It's for use on the public road.

As for other posters telling us to all get EVs, surely it's more environmentally sound to continue using a vehicle that has already been manufactured.

The actual manufacturing of a vehicle, be it ice or ev is hugely polluting.

If it's already built, keep using it.

As for motor tax. There will never be any solution that will please everybody.

Motor tax, property tax, USC etc, are all just income for the government's Central fund.

If you don't pay it one way, You'll pay it another way.

TheRiverman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119600572#Comment_119600572

It's Motor Tax and whether.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601689#Comment_119601689

No you can't please everyone but you can make it more streamlined and simpler.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601705#Comment_119601705

Ok but road tax is often used as in

https://www.carzone.ie/news/motor-and-road-tax-prices-ireland-2017/1437

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601890#Comment_119601890

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Anyway.. it says on the disc what it is.

It's a motor tax, just like a TV licence, is a TV tax.

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601826#Comment_119601826

Someone mentioned the Dutch method of motor tax earlier..

That's based on

1. Engine size.

2. Emissions

3. Weight.

now , if someone converts their car to run on lpg, the weight increases, so their motor tax increases, even though it might emit less emissions, because they still consider that it could technically still run solely on petrol.

Yeah.. that's a great system, it's hell of a lot more expensive than here.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601826#Comment_119601826

It's hardly the most complicated process.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601958#Comment_119601958

Sounds like an overcomplicated system.

Murph85

As good as free motor tax on new fossil fuel powered cars is idiocy. Just proves they only care about the income from new car sales, not what powers them. New petrol and diesels should have rates from e500 up. At least ! Replace your fossil fuel Powered car with another fossil fuel powered car for " the environment " LOL

bazz26

Oh Christ. Replacing a perfectly good working car with a new car even if it be an EV, is not good for the environment or the planet. And in 8 or 9 times out of 10 your old ICE car is still on the road being driven by someone else who isn't fortunate enough to afford an EV. You have actually increased your environmental footprint not decreased it. We should be keeping existing things like cars on the road until they reach the end of their life, not just replacing them with another one when we reach the end of our PCP deals.

Of course big business don't want that because they want you to keep throwing away stuff and replacing it with something new. Why isn't there a drive to convert all the existing ICE vehicles on the road to EVs? Give people grants towards conversations. Because it doesn't benefit large car companies and the likes.

saabsaab

A system/grants for converting older suitable cars to EV or LPG would be a good idea. Only done on a very small scale at the moment.

ordinaryfella

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119601958#Comment_119601958

Come on, that's such an edge case! Those 3 criteria seem like a fair compromise, vs cc based or just co2 based.

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119603611#Comment_119603611

What do you mean ?

Do You think it's reasonable that you you are taxed on every possible aspect.