Maxol Recharge

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119968102#Comment_119968102

If you want to block the charger for over 45 mins that's a choice you can choose to pay for, at 50p a minute. The site owner gets to dictate the terms of business, you can either agree or go somewhere else.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967930#Comment_119967930

There's a couple of articles from about 3 weeks ago, seems his biggest complaint at the moment is re planning requirements for retail space at forecourts.

Chief executive Brian Donaldson said that the retail floorspace of forecourts is currently limited to 100 sqm, while there is no such cap in Northern Ireland.

Bigger forecourt retail areas here would put Maxol on course to increasingly muscle in on the turf of other retailers, including supermarkets.

The 100 sqm limit can only be breached in exceptional circumstances when permitted by a local council.

Makes sense to me, an EV forecourt likely needs more retail space but can be tighter on the vehicle space.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119968102#Comment_119968102

Well you wouldn't be hogging one, they have 2 plugs and would split to 75kW

Put it another way, there's no point in you using the 50kW if you can charge at 75kW

JohnC.

Surely only a madman does that final 10 or 20% on a high power DC.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119968460#Comment_119968460

Sometimes you have to do it with the big gaps between decent chargers, especially up North, and something like an ID.4 will keep going above 50kW to around 85% on the latest software

zg3409

Overstay / parking screen

50p/minute overstay

after 45 mins for the 50KW,

35 for the 150KW, and

25 for the 200KW

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119968793#Comment_119968793

Wow they're serious about getting people to move on and not hang around

The coffee must be terrible then 😂

dsandson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119968389#Comment_119968389

I read earlier in the year and probably still a concern is that they want a grid connection and upgrade fees dropped, socialised or similar. Effectively making it similar to UK mainland. Grid fees are worse in NI but possibly still an issue in ROI.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119968793#Comment_119968793

From the point of termination of the charge to the replacement of the plug, or how is "overstay" defined?

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119968460#Comment_119968460

We're right JohnC. 😉

zg3409

New maxol site, Crumlin road Belfast.

DrPhilG

Not a new location as such but an update on the Maxol hub in Holywood.

It was mentioned previously that the overcharge penalty kicks in at 45 minutes. It actually varies depending on the charger used. 25 minutes if you're on the 200kW.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119985252#Comment_119985252

Whoever put kWh instead of kW at the top of that table has earned my permanent ire 😬

They really don't want people hanging around on the 200kW unit any more than they need to

Of course I don't think there's anything stopping you from just starting a new session. If there's no app then there's no real way to track users between charging sessions

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119985522#Comment_119985522

They are learning as you already discovered in the above table. I bet the persons deciding these didn't charge many times in their life at a DC charger.

Maybe they should use the SI unit for energy as that would be less confusing. My car has a 270MJ battery, it consumes 56MJ/100km it charges with max 15MJ/min. It would totally work. Also they should adopt Tesla connector which is just one no more faffing with AC/DC hell.

zg3409

Hollywood launch.

https://youtu.be/IsyU1yJERzQ

I see someone on facebook complaining they were charged roughly 60 euro overstay fees on their maxol fuel card, per minute overstay but they had no idea overstay was a thing, it seems to be easy to miss, even described a parking fee on screen think.

zg3409

Uk£50 overstay, seems to be hourly rate but only uk£24+ vat applied

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015782#Comment_120015782

47 mins overstay!!! they've been sitting on the free ESB chargers all day I'll bet

Also looks like they plugged in twice on two different chargers for some reason

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015624#Comment_120015624

There were charged for 50 minutes overstay. That’s not 60 euro. What were they doing at a fast chargers for 95 minutes?

proper order , they won’t block one again

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015782#Comment_120015782

It’s 50 p a minute. Not £50 look at the decimal

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015816#Comment_120015816

Different days?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120016297#Comment_120016297

Oh maybe that's it, I saw the date at the top and assumed they were all on the same day

Interestingly it actually looks like there were 3 charging sessions, there's 1 kWh charged at the lowest rate

I wonder if maybe that session failed and they were sitting there for 45 mins not charging and racking up an overstay fee 🤔

You wouldn't want to leave your car alone for too long if that's the case

zg3409

They were all broken last Sunday and Monday. (Hollywood) someone suggested fuse blown so all chargers down.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018184#Comment_120018184

Yes the fuse tripped on site apparenttly.

MJohnston

Top marks for this hub, it’s proper. Good facilities, lots of chargers (very busy too!), and would you believe it — a charging cable length that is port position agnostic!

Plus only one bloody Chademo up at the end (50kW)

MJohnston

Had to laugh at the hybrid BMW that was plugged into the 200kW the other day though, while the 50kW was unoccupied. Not sure they’ve spotted the price differences.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120037621#Comment_120037621

Every BMW driver knows that their cars are the best and deserve the best electricity 😂

Probably fills up with the expensive petrol as well

I'd say the overstay fee will be a bigger shock, 25 mins to kick in on the 200kW unit, then 50p per minute 😱

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120037615#Comment_120037615

Where is that

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120037932#Comment_120037932

The great city of Belfast

https://www.plugshare.com/location/410081

mfceiling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120037621#Comment_120037621

Can a BMW hybrid take CCS?

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120037990#Comment_120037990

The great town of Holywood you mean!

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120039655#Comment_120039655

Ah, that would be why they call it the greater Belfast area 😉

I wonder where the traffic on the charger is coming from. Is it folks coming and going from the airport, locals, or people heading to Belfast and are willing to travel a bit for a charge

DrPhilG

Belfast is an absolute sh*t show for charging so I suspect its people who really need a charge and can't get one closer.

I tried it out a while back as I have family in Holywood so was passing. I was also going on from there to Dublin so I needed the juice anyway.

the_amazing_raisin

Popped in earlier today as I needed a top up before heading back to Dublin

Have to say it's an excellent setup, well worth the detour for having a great charging facility

When I arrived there was only a Mokka E on the 200kW (why???) so I took one of the 150kW units

Got around 65-70kW which is expected given I was starting around 50% SoC

Topped up with 15% and headed off home, probably took around 15 mins which was enough time for a bathroom break and to grab some snacks for the kiddos in the shop

I asked the cashier if they were getting a lot of cars coming in to charge and she seemed to think the hub was pretty busy despite being a bit away from Belfast itself

So the site seems to already be a success, hopefully it keeps going

I noticed the CCS side of the 50kW was offline when I arrived, so good news for the Leaf owners as only Chademo is working

Also, watch out for the upfront payment. I used revolut and they charged £100 off my card as a down payment 😱

They were quick to reverse it and deduct the proper amount after I was done, but something to be aware of

I wonder if that's only for revolut cards or do other cards get the same treatment 🤔

JohnC.

What's with the payment being on a separate unit? The new charger thread has just had a post with the new one on Crumlin Road, Belfast. It's only one unit, but the payment is still separate. Are the units they use simply incapable of having payment built in?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044616#Comment_120044616

I guess Maxol didn't want to pay for additional terminals. The chargers also work with Maxol fuel cards which don't typically have tap and pay

The terminals in Kinnegar are chip and pin only, not tap and pay

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044710#Comment_120044710

Tap to pay typically has a lot of 50 euro or whatever sterling. If they are pre authorising £100 then touch to.pay won't work.

MJohnston

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044710#Comment_120044710

Which is odd because they do have a tap contact pad on the front, with a picture to indicate it, but it doesn't work.

Not only is Belfast a ****-show for charging, the vast majority of the Ards Peninsula is even worse. The "city" of Bangor has basically 4 functioning public AC chargers left at this point — there are 2 ESB ACs that have been out of commission since at least July, 2 at the leisure centre that require a keyfob from the centre, 2 at an ASDA that have been broken for years, and that's pretty much it. Newtownards isn't any better.

The state of infrastructure in the North has been abysmal and deteriorating, so it's great to see some actual progress. And thank **** it's not a free for all too.

Oh, by the way, if you have a car that relies upon sat-nav destinations for battery preconditioning, and your maps probably don't have this hub added yet, I recommend targetting the IKEA DC charger that's very nearby, it should have you warmed up for the same time give or take a minute.

dsandson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120068685#Comment_120068685

Yeah getting the new chargers into in-built sat navs is slow, even if updates are available. That is an issue for the average EV driver who doesnt follow Boards or FB etc, especially as a lot of people think public chargers are mainly ESB - they are but things are improving.

Regarding the payment terminal the interface is exactlty the same as their pay at fuel pump interface, so this is perhaps a bodge to maintain their existing back-end software. They also pre-auth £100 which perhaps has issues with tap to pay

the_amazing_raisin

New Maxol hub for Limerick in planning application (looks like the same layout as Kinnegar)

https://www.eplanning.ie/LimerickCCC/AppFileRefDetails/221387/0

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dqn97jLZJ9coQTAC9

liamog

Planning permission submitted by Maxol for the M3 services on the N3 at Mulhuddart. https://planning.agileapplications.ie/fingal/application-details/96465

6 charging spots.

Many haters of Blanchardstown have long dreamed of chargers being installed here

zg3409

Newbridge

https://www.plugshare.com/location/472044

More than a year since planning went in.

Shockingly you may not get wet while charging.

They have similar sites in Northern Ireland

https://www.plugshare.com/location/410081

https://www.plugshare.com/location/476800

They tend to be relatively high power with a mix of units with a mix of prices.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608178#Comment_121608178

Could just use the one we already have, have linked it from the charger notification thread

CivilEx

I charged at the Kinnegar location in NI earlier this week. It was a very good experience overall and I hope we see a lot more locations like this over the coming year.

I particularly liked how there were different bays for different charging ratings from 50kw through to 200kw depending on how fast your car charges, or perhaps your soc.

It was a dry day, but I appreciated the canopy also, for no other reason than there wasn't a wind chill factor of -2!

zg3409

Newbridge again.

zg3409

Newbridge estimate march or april according to staff onsite. Visually no change to above photo.

zg3409

Portrush ni

Redfox25

Badly needed in Portrush.

denismc

Is there anywhere to see their current prices? There doesn't seem to be any app and the prices on plugshare aren't always upto date.

MJohnston

Don't know where you can find the prices sorry. They don't seem to change that often, so Plugshare might be accurate.

Two 200kW CCS of these coming to the Maxol on the Sandyford Road in Dublin:

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168227#Comment_122168227

There are photos on plugshare app for the site near Hollywood in Belfast. The price varies by connector speed so no one answer for price. Beware suppliers can change prices overnight with zero warning.