Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122687957#Comment_122687957

It's actually quite scary, imagine such a secretive and out for themselves organisation getting their hands on state files if they got into power here. You can be sure the British keep them far away from the north.

Anyone who would consider them a normal party worth voting for needs their head examined.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122687903#Comment_122687903

I get it exactly.
You will claim this and that in youe exceptionalism.
Accountability is accountability. You can’t pick and choose what actions or who is accountable.
People in SF did the wrong thing. All 3 are no longer in their roles. As it should be.
If they need to tighten processes then they should.
If MoN did something wrong she needs to go. As it should be.

Ask yourself what you did when the Taoiseach admitted to wrongdoing or what you do everytime a government messes up here. I.E. the culture you stand over.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688119#Comment_122688119

She is looking directly at him. She is lying.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688122#Comment_122688122

So the HR Manager did nothing wrong?

So MON was unable to see the man standing two yards directly in front of her?

So MLMD doesn't preside over a party that has had successive issues with child protection?

If you don't have concerns on all three counts………

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688008#Comment_122688008

The two lads will pop up in a few months as policy advisers. They will spend some time in purgatory out on the canvas down here 24/7.

Some of the stuff coming out is incredible. MON "forgot" to cancel McMonagle's Stormont pass.

As for @FrancieBrady and his whataboutery, he hasn't mentioned that Albert Reynolds had to resign as Taoiseach for far far less.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688134#Comment_122688134

*The HR official is a 'former HR official' from what I've read.
He/she was just asked to confirm the email address and the identity of those who gave references. If that was all they I can see they weren't on the phone to the leadership.

*MoN says she didn't see him

*Almost all organisations on these islands have had like issues to SF. We can add the BHF to that as by their own admission, they failed to use the mechanisms in place to prevent this occurring.

Of course I have concerns. They should be actioned and SF did action what they were aware of.

Again, what do you do even when wrongdoing is admitted?

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688223#Comment_122688223

The BHF used every mechanism in relation to the particular role and have stated so, you're being highly disingenuous stating otherwise.

MoN claiming not to have seen him is BS, would be understandable if she didn't know him, maybe understandable if he was a normal former employee, but complete rubbish if you've suspended them because they've been arrested for child abuse allegations.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688149#Comment_122688149

The non cancellation of the press pass was clearly another aspect of the deliberate non disclosure to any authority. They were all over removing them from the party but forgot this?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688223#Comment_122688223

What an absolute disgrace of a reply. The HR Manager may now be a former HR Manager, but he wasn't at the time. Alarm bells should have been going off loudly when he got that request, they didn't, because SF has a rotten culture.

As for MON, nobody believes she didn't see him.

Almost all organisations on these islands have had issues in the past. It seems that only SF have them in the present. BHF used all the mechanisms available to them, as they confirmed in a statement today. You better withdraw that statement as well, you have already equated CF's actions to helping a paedophile get a job, and you had to back down on that one.

The lengths you are going to are incredible. What are you going to do if there are more revelations tomorrow?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122687312#Comment_122687312

Schools that have these pouches already report good success.

Dont let the perfect get in the way of good.

markodaly

Given that @FrancieBrady was going on about the waste of money in regards these pouches, what does he think is an appropriate figure?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122687340#Comment_122687340

What you or I think it should cost is immaterial.

Right, so the voters or the parents dont matter. What matters is what some SF spin doctor thinks about it.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688563#Comment_122688563

you have already equated CF's actions to helping a paedophile get a job, and you had to back down on that one.

blanch you put words in my mouth and then demand a retraction from me??? That is so transparent in itself and totally scurrilous.

As to this nonsense:

Almost all organisations on these islands have had issues in the past. It seems that only SF have them in the present.

Have a look at this case

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41230708.html

Anyone demanding Micheál Martin be responsible there? That he knew all about it?

I have been clear here, IF MoN did something wrong she should go. I said the same thing about Leo Varadkar too and anyone who does wrong.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688745#Comment_122688745

Of course they matter. I didn't give an opinion on pouches but if it was me I believe they are not needed at all if a principal and teacher are doing their jobs. My own kids would not have dared bring a phone into class because they would lose it.
Introducing them and then when it bites back at you stating they would not be forced on anyone? What's the point in that? Simon being a populist is the point.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122687666#Comment_122687666

Because clearly it shows what a relative amount of new housing we are building.

blanch152

Strange article in the Sunday Times about the Russians recruiting a TD to work for them.

From the sounds of it (access to paramilitaries but not access to sensitive documents) it could well be a Sinn Fein TD.

One to watch.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122689857#Comment_122689857

This story is not going away despite @FrancieBrady and the rest of the spin machine best efforts. Until now, they could claim it was all in the past, like the Catholic Church, but this is the here and now, this is the current leadership.

We have had a pathetic attempt in this thread to link the Kenneally scandal to MM even though it happened decades ago. When will SF and their desperate supporters realise that this is not some ancient issue that can be brushed off, this is something happening now?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122690112#Comment_122690112

For the record, what should happen to a TD caught doing the bidding of a foreign government?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122690125#Comment_122690125

Posters who haven't commented on all reference letters sent on behalf of abusers or cases such as the FF one have no credibility looking for answers on this one or in seeking the higher moral ground.

That is not seeking to diminish the seriousness of what happened with McMonagle. If somebody in SF did wrong they need to go. Those whom we know did wrong are gone.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122690129#Comment_122690129

What do you mean 'for the record'?

Such action is set down clearly in the Constitution, by Statute, and in the Oireachtas Code of Conduct for Members of Dáil Éireann who are not Office Holders.

Such allegations can be tried before various Committees of the Oireachtas and, subject to Section 42 of the Electoral Act 1992, and member may be impeached and shall cease to have office.

The security services of the State can also prosecute any violation of sanctions or other specific bars, up to a prosecution for Treason under the Treason Act of 1939.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688122#Comment_122688122

endless whataboutery

padd b1975

Mary Lou still remaining silent/hiding behind her "annis horribilis".

If there was something positive happening up north she'd be hot-footing up there to elbow MON out of the way.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122689694#Comment_122689694

do you not think telling lies is wrong - or maybe you think there is a remote possibility she can’t recognise her friend standing in front of her. Why “if”

downcow

There is not a chance of them doing that as they will only confirm they knew a particular point, when they are caught, ie evidence appears. So they don’t want to deny anything yet until they see what evidence is out there.
I was always told (and I realise it’s a bit stereotypical) loyalists are stupid and republicans are liars. I have found this to be worryingly accurate over the years.

Larbre34

I think myself this will probably end with a very disappointing seat total for SF in the election, and the resignation of Mary Lou as party leader, with the departure too of a few senior figures from executive positions, irrespective of whether they get reelected to the Oireachtas.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122691007#Comment_122691007

Ha, accurate indeed 😁

BlueSkyDreams

Surely FFG will call the GE for November now?

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122691323#Comment_122691323

As soon as Harris gets back from the White House we'll be on

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122690147#Comment_122690147

Albert Reynolds had to go over the mishandling of a child sex abuse case, that is the only precedent.

MLMD and MON now have to follow suit.

You should have a read of Mairia Cahill's piece in the Sunday Indo, it is horrifying what was done to her and how lessons have not been learned by Sinn Fein.

blanch152

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/vow-of-omerta-taken-by-sinn-fein-over-movement-of-child-sex-predator-from-party-to-charity-says-taoiseach/a1964384842.html

The story heads into another day. Harris gets in on the act.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd5jedg8m7o

"First Minister Michelle O'Neill should be questioned in the assembly over references given for a former Sinn Féin press officer who was later convicted of sex offences, the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) leader has said."

Sinn Fein have abysmally failed to read the room on this one. The people of this island are absolutely fed up of organisations covering up child abuse and facilitating paedophiles. This is getting worse for SF.