Andor [Disney+]

pixelburp

First teaser for this arrived; looks moody and seems to be hitting more of the muddy, grim aesthetics of Rogue One... Lots of prequel iconography abound as well.

https://youtu.be/j5UX1Adanis

seraphimvc

YES, just saw it as well. Didn't even expect much but what a nicely done trailer.

Need to look up who is the team behind the production - the shots the vibe looks different than the other SW side stories series.

Agent Coulson

They also announed that season 2 will start filming in August so it's not a one and done.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119118865#Comment_119118865

Tony Gilroy is the show runner; he was writer for the Bourne movies - and Rogue One. Directed Michael Clayton fadó.

seraphimvc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119119029#Comment_119119029

That explains the chills i got from the trailer ha. Rogue One is actually the best SW movie for me since prequels, the hype is real now!

Slydice

Well. I'm hyped.

Hyped! Hyped! Hyped!

Mr Crispy

Good cast, I'll give it that.

geecee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119119029#Comment_119119029

Gilroy completely re-shot and rescued Rogue One according to popular lore:

‘Star Wars: Rogue One’ Writer Tony Gilroy Opens Up About Reshoots – The Hollywood Reporter

Unlike lifelong fans like Star Wars: The Last Jedi‘s Rian Johnson, Gilroy was not a fan of the franchise before boarding and therefore had no trepidation about potentially messing it up.

“I’ve never been interested in Star Wars, ever. So I had no reverence for it whatsoever. I was unafraid about that,” said Gilroy. “And they were in such a swamp … they were in so much terrible, terrible trouble that all you could do was improve their position.”

In fairness he did a pretty spectacular job on R1 for a non Star Wars fan!

Slydice

They also have a writer, Stephen Schiff, who has experience from The Americans under his belt (13 producing, 9 writing)

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0771496/

Looks good but i again get the feeling disney are just throwing as much crap against the wall and seeing what sticks instead of having a coherent plan on what to do with star wars

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119119636#Comment_119119636

Yeah I"ve heard that rumour before, that Garth Edwards made a hash of it, and someone came in to fix it. Had forgotten Tony Gilroy was involved so would make sense he'd be in a position to do that - interesting Edwards remains the credited director, I'd say the legality of everything was delicately figured out.

I will say of Rogue One, and speculate was Edwards' part given his prior work with Monsters & the Godzilla remake, it was one of the few Star Wars films that captured scale really well. Too many times the FX forgets the sheer size and weight of Star Destroyers or the larger entities in the universe - so nothing feels epic or awe inspiring. Rogue One's frequently made sure we really understood just how HUGE everything was. Now, maybe Edwards had no part in the FX work - but it'd be a coincidence if so given his CV.

TheIrishGrover

I enjoyed R1. I thought it was quite a dramatically different take and all the better for it. I am looking forward to this and love the look of it.

Slydice

Oh that trailers so good!

Relikk

New trailer.

https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw

TheIrishGrover

I knew I posted in the wrong thread. Yeah, love this trailer. SO looking forward to this. Refreshing to move away from the Skywalkers.

pixelburp

Credit where it's due, that looks exactly what I hoped Star Wars TV shows might be. I'm now mildly hyped. Obviously a prequel but also obviously much more than that. I hope the senate stuff is an integral part.

thegreengoblin

Rogue One can do little wrong in my eyes so when this was announced it felt like the show that I would look forward to most. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much but that trailer looks class.

CastorTroy

Looks good.

Wonder if the delay is to have less of an overlap with She-Hulk.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119415364#Comment_119415364

The trailer for once feels like the show might actually not worry about entertaining the kiddos. Something like Obi-Wan burst at the seams trying to be both a story about a jedi with PTSD, and also a fun romp for children to enjoy.

I can't see from that trailer where that demographic would be placated; it looks positively adult in theme and execution. my niece might be bored silly lol.

pixelburp

Interestingly, Andor didn't make use of StageCraft, LucasArts 3d back projection video wall as used with Mandalorian, Obi-Wan etc. Apparently much of the outdoor shoot was location work, the sets physical creations. Impressive commitment, wonder how Tony Gilroy persuaded the suits to not use the video.wall.

https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/star-wars-andor-doesnt-use-volume-says-tony-gilroy-exclusive/

thegreengoblin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119415697#Comment_119415697

Yeah, my youngest lad who's 12 is kind of meh about this one which is probably a good sign! We need a Star Wars series with some grime and grit in it.

BruteStock

It looks well written and the production values are very impressive. Did it just so happen that the last George Lucas character show was a poorly written embarrassment? I think not

Sad Professor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119416301#Comment_119416301

I was wondering why it looked so much better than Obi-wan and Boba Fett. More episodes too, so it must have had a much bigger budget.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119417096#Comment_119417096

Can you tell though? I was going to go to youTube and see if I could pull out some clips, try to see if the StageCraft scenes are more obvious? It's very advanced rear projection, I can imagine certain "locations" might convince more than others.

I was going to speculate if Tony Gilroy's presence has added a more experienced head behind the basic shovel-work of a FX-heavy production; though I note Gilroy himself isn't actually directing any episodes. The premiere directed by Toby Haynes, whose CV is mostly British TV work (interesting parallel in that a lot of this was shot in Scotland); though has directed Dr. Who and some other genre work so presumably knows they way around a FX focused shoot.

Maybe it's just bias on my part: knowing when an inexperienced director like Deborah Chow is in charge, so I presume any shonky FX or flaccid action is down to the fact Disney keeps hiring green indie directors for their Big Ticket IPs.

Sad Professor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119417810#Comment_119417810

It's not so much that its technically noticeable or better, but that the episodes that relied heavily on the video wall often have a backlot-shot look and feel to them. The decision to shoot on location is what would have really made the difference visually. They are obviously also using Rogue One as the visual template for the show, which as you said was a very cinematic looking film made by a big film director.

I think the visual style of a tv show is generally established by the showrunner in collaboration with whoever directs the first episode. Some showrunners wouldn't take much interest in it or give vague instructions. The fact that Gilroy, a director himself, was saying he wanted this to look big and like Rogue One would have been enough. Most of the time tv directors just tell the actors were to the stand and make sure they hit their marks. A show with a strong showrunner and a very clearly established visual style isn't going to give them much leeway.

TheIrishGrover

I was actually thinking about this. Location versus Stagecraft. Mando and Fett (And Obi-wan?) got away with it because they were mainly set on desert planets. At least the trailer here seems to be showing much more lush environments. Atmospheric conditions that are probably much more difficult to create artificially (Rain, mist/haze etc). Inside shots are of course still perfectly suited to the digital set. It's an amazing technology but everything has limits.

That initial shot of the Star Destroyer flying through the atmosphere was simply fantastic. Say what you want about the shows and but the last 12-15 years or so have seen an unbelievable change in the scope of TV shows. This almost streaming/TV war has revolutionised the scale of TV shows. Ignoring the quality of the last couple of seasons of Game of Thrones (Conversation for another thread/forum) the effects work of the dragons was on a par with any major blockbuster. The digital Luke had its flaws but, again, TV show (The later attempts were better with the AUDIO being the biggest issue as it was, at least partially, artificially generated). We have a Lord of The Rings series coming out that cost three times the amount of Jackson's trilogy... Even BEFORE you take into account rights.

But yeah, back to the original thought: Yeah, the digital stage probably wouldn't suit Andor or be even feasible.

pixelburp

Looks like Rogue One is getting a cinema re-release at IMAX,, and will include a preview of Andor

https://mobile.twitter.com/sw_holocron/status/1558493203451502594

Slydice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472898#Comment_119472898

....

https://twitter.com/cineworld/status/1558741239800922112

me right now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIAYtHiCjN8

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119474188#Comment_119474188

I had a funny feeling it'd turn out to be just the US IMAXs, but still, figured it was worth sharing and Boardsies in America might want to know!

Agent Coulson

A prequel to a prequel will season 2 then be a sequel to the prequel of prequel but still a prequel to the prequel.

CastorTroy

But isn't it also a sequel to Revenge of the Sith?

And can also just be an interquel.

pixelburp

It was coined by the video-game "Borderlands", but I quite like the term pre-sequel to refer to this kind of production; being a sequel to the prequel, but also a prequel for a character in the prequel.

peteeeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5S9Vx3-QM0

new clip

pixelburp

Damn but my expectations for this keep rising; tentatively but definitively.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516790#Comment_119516790

I'm the same. I have to keep reminding myself that the Obi-Wan trailers failed to mention a stupid romp with a child Leah.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119517069#Comment_119517069

That clip weirdly, retroactively contextualised that really awful moment in Obi-Wan and the Great Trenchcoat Caper; that the Empire are so arrogant, is such a dehumanising and vast apparatus that yeah - maybe nobody would have noticed a scruffy man hiding a child under a coat lol 😂

Trying to keep the hype in check but it really does look like it could be a good one. But then such is the power of a well-edited trailer.

TheIrishGrover

Excellent clip. I am SO looking forward to this. BUT with a big But, I have been burned before. Boba Fett was pretty poor. I wasn't really expecting much but they made the character pretty pathetic and incompetent and the less said about his spunky mid-20's "teenagers" quadrophenia Power Rangers the better. The Mandalorian is enjoyable enough but we need to see more exploration of him and his place in the universe (I'm assuming that is coming after last season's actions/Boba Fett episodes). I enjoyed Obi-wan much more but it was not without its flaws. Young Leia was great but, no offence to the girl, I don't want to see her again. Want them to move on.

So I want a story that's not all about Skywalkers or Jedi or Sith Lords. I want a story that's about the down-in-the-trenches grunts who have, up to now, been ignored. The many Bothans :D I sound like a broken record but I would love to see a cop show set thousands of years before. Jedi all around but not about these Generals and their political machinations. But deal with the aftermath/their impact of everyone else.

I loved the start of Spiderman Homecoming where you saw the salvage crew losing their contract because Tony Stark's company took over. Wrecks the gaff and then profits off it. Dick move :)

Slydice

I ain't gettin on no ... eh I mean.. I ain't watchin no clip!

AMKC

I so thought this was supposed to be out yesterday and was really looking forward to it :(

Can't believe we still have nearly 3 weeks to wait before it's out :(

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520209#Comment_119520209

R.I.P. Manny

TheIrishGrover

Hahahahah

BruteStock

10 years after acquiring the rights and Disney still can't move away from the George Lucas time line. Comics , games and books have done a far better job at expanding the Star Wars universe than Disney.

Andor is more content for the sake of content thats predictably and tediously attached to a very small time time in an expansive universe.

Id honestly be more excited to watch those mooted Rian Johnson films than anther woeful tv show that's still feasting off the carcass of the original time line

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552452#Comment_119552452

How many of the Andor episodes have you seen ?

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552754#Comment_119552754

How many have you seen?

peteeeed

Rogue one was superb, cant wait for this

pixelburp

Mod: @BruteStock @breezy1985 Quit bickering, and especially wind back the personal attacks from you, Brute.

Posts deleted, consider it a warning.

EoinMcLovin

https://youtu.be/PboKpnin_Wg

_____

pixelburp

The trailers really do make it look the business. Obi-Wan made me ready to give up Star Wars for a few years; this may yet pull me back in

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119600787#Comment_119600787

Obi Wan trailers were very good at leaving out the annoying child Leah.

This could yet be about some stupid "cute" memberberry but there is hope

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119600969#Comment_119600969

Obviously we'll see how it all pans out, but I think the starting point is a better place than Obi-Wan ever could have hoped to be. It's still another prequel, but Cassian Andor has more options than fellow blank slate Boba Fett; and the trailer seems to hint towards a much stronger sense of self, and what the story will be to be about. Obi-Wan was always on a hiding to nothing in trying to write excuses so the Jedi paused a known exile and hermit life, all that the the series could happen.

We'll see, but my hype has definitely been on an upward trajectory. Boba Fett and Obi-Wan both kicked my fandom into touch and then some. I was ready to just move on from this franchise TBH - then Andor quietly tapped me on the shoulder.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608391#Comment_119608391

Andor himself was a very good character and actor who like you say is a bit of a blank slate which creates less issues.

Another plus is the cast looks good. Skarsgard is always great, Shaw is back and Withaker I suppose will run around doing his eye thing.

The problem with Fett was we only just before had the character and show Fett should have been.