Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

tomfoolery60

I find the reporting so frustrating. As I understand it, the reason it will take a year is the water main rehabilitation piece, but gotta rant about cycle lanes....

Mrs Shuttleworth

Many posters here seem to have led very charmed lives. No need for repair men who by their trade have to drive vans not bicycles to access their homes and carry equipment; no dependent relatives with disabilities who need to be transported by car; no jobs as carers with definite hourly commitments to look after the elderly living at home. No. Instead we have to spend 60million euro so some hipsters can get faster into town to sit on closed off streets eating sriracha chicken wings on the pavement.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429852#Comment_119429852

I don't think you understand, that the capacity to increase the DART frequency further with existing tracks and signals, is nil.

And even if it were, the NTA and Iarnród Éireann take no lead from the City Council as to what services to provide and when.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

So you bought the whole line about this just being for a cycle lane then. Maybe read behind the click bait headline

and this is a short stretch, only blocked in one direction, with alternative routes for all the tradesmen that you’re taking about

that’s just as bad an argument as the “but we can’t go into town to buy our washing machines” one

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

That's just lame and shows you hold people on bikes in contempt. You do realise it's not just cycle lanes going in, other works are making up the bulk of the cost.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

I love how you are just massively erasing the fact that cycling into town is by far the cheapest way of commuting.

Also, those journeys are a minority of overall journeys into town by private transport. Also they won't be stopped, they can still do it.

Pawwed Rig

Mrs Shuttleworth's post would be a fair representation of what I have been hearing on the local forums in the last few days.

There is no logic to the posts at all. It is mostly vague all encompassing rage. Definitely not representative of the general population as all seem to be in the 60+ demographic.

lucernarian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

That last point is such a stupid take. If they were having pints would it be better? And the few closed off streets in Dublin city centre have been a massive success so far. To be honest it feels like there's a resentment that goes far beyond the private vehicle diversions...

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430224#Comment_119430224

Just shows she's fallen for the culture war the media tries to put out there where anyone on a bike is a posh hipster. My dad cycled through there for decades and luckily lives to tell the tale, as did I. You don't get that many hipsters where I'm from.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

You do realise that the thousands of people who use the bus along this route will also benefit from this project through faster journey times as a result of buses and cyclists no longer sharing the same space?

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

sorry, have cars been banned?

a few hours ago it was 'i can't buy an amp in the city centre'. now it's about disabled and elderly people not able to leave their homes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

Cyclists = hipsters. That's the best one I've ever heard. Ffs. Any infrastructure upgrade to this city is to be welcomed and a step in the right direction to get those who are taking unnecessary journeys away from their cars. Although I certainly disagree with how it's been handled from a communication standpoint.

Thelonious Monk

Not sure where you'd get sriracha chicken on the North Strand anyway. A spice bag maybe. Or methadone on Amiens St.

Seth Brundle

I'm just surprised that nobody has made the claim that the fire engines won't be able to travel towards town so people will die because of these cycle lanes!

monument

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

Further trolling like this will be actioned.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

I live in Dublin 5. If I need a plumber or electrician I call a local one. Why would I ring a plumber based in Rathgar and ask him to come out to me, when there's plenty between based locally to me?

bikeman1

A few salient points for folks in case they have not been properly informed to date:

1. These works are for a cycle Lane as well as very much needed utilities work (water) as well as upgrading the bus corridor. The cycle Lane is needed as the situation up to now has been a death trap waiting to happen on the North Strand.
2. You can still drive to town.
3. You can still get the bus to town.
4. The road closure is inbound ONLY. Outbound the same as always.
5. The works WILL provide a safe cycling route and faster bus Lane without interference from cyclists.
6. It is not forever, the inbound lane will be restored as was before these works.

This route has been a mess for as long as I can remember it being. Nothing will change there until people who are making a single person car journey a few kilometres into the centre to park for the day while working and drive back out again stop. There is a 10 minute DART and high frequency bus service along the three arteries (or spines) that feed through Fairview. There is literally no reason anyone needs to drive to the city centre for their jobs.

Trades or repair people etc. naturally are there for work purposes and need their vehicles for their equipment. In my experience most of them are in cc and on site by 07:00 before the bus lanes and are not sitting aimlessly in traffic all morning.

From the latest Irish Time article - complains that there's no metro link and demands more public transport options.

With the project scheduled to continue into early 2024, commuters like Carol McCluskey will have to find a new route to work. Ms McCluskey and her partner live in Coolock and commute to the Five Lamps via North Strand Road.

“The closure will impact us massively. We’re moving to Swords in the next couple of weeks, which will probably make it worse because there’s no metro link and only private bus routes,” said Ms McCluskey. “If they want to get people not commuting into town via car, they need to give more public transport options, because what we have right now is not viable.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/08/04/north-strand-road-closure-i-havent-gotten-any-flyers-in-the-mail-i-was-not-aware-of-this-at-all/

spurious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430446#Comment_119430446

We are more smashed avocado and arancini on the North Strand.

I wonder how the phy brigade are managing with there being less road to meander across.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430743#Comment_119430743

I was about to ask where you are getting arancini, but then remembered it's probably Da Mimmos.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430013#Comment_119430013

You realise that driving remains possible? As for hipsters and chicken wings, much rather them than yellow vest early school leavers talking about agenda 51 tbh. At least the hipsters buy things.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430710#Comment_119430710

Down the M1, left on Dorset St. and down to the five lamps. Not that hard.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430710#Comment_119430710

That's bonkers. Irish Times also has one about a mechanic shop on North strand that will be put out of business because their customers may have a 3 minute diversion if coming from the Northern direction. The hysteria is off the charts and the media love it

Princess Calla

Apologies in advance....I feel like I'm in the weather forum asking what the weather be like at 15:01 in next town over.

But what way is traffic moving currently?

I want to get to north circular road via ballybough in the morning around 10 ish coming D5 direction .....if it's carnage I'm not arsed I'll go via ballymun or something.

It's been 3 years since I've driven through Fairview.

bikeman1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119430892#Comment_119430892

Divert up Griffith Ave, down Philipsburg Ave, right then stay left and along to NCR at Ballybough. Simple.

If you leave at 09:30 tomorrow you’ll sail it in. It’s very quiet with schools off and on a Friday.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119428867#Comment_119428867

Blue badge holder here.

I don't go into Dublin City Centre anymore. If I have to go to a physical shop, I will go to a retail park. The city centre is just too much hassle and inconvenience.

Public transport that is 25 minutes walk away would be of no use to me, as I do not have the physical ability to walk for 25 minutes.

John_Rambo

My mother is a OAP blue badge holder with a debilitating illness. She wouldn't dream of driving to the city centre nor is she interested in retail parks, she finds it 100% easier to get public transport & if she was to drive she'd avail of the ample blue badge parking and Bus in to An Lár.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431010#Comment_119431010

Blue badges are issued for those with mobility issues, not usually for debilitating illnesses. One of the qualifying criteria is difficulty with mobility over 50 meters distance without stopping.

Fair play to your mother if she is still mobile enough to get around on public transport. Maybe she doesn't need a blue badge, after all.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431045#Comment_119431045

Very good. Nice try questioning her disabilities & needs... stay classy.

She has mobility issues due to her illness. She uses public transport, loves her city, deserves to use & enjoy both public transport & the city.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119428782#Comment_119428782

I’ll leave the other points to posters who’ve explained them well in detail..

..But if the trade in the aforementioned car parks fall off as an unintended consequence? Great! Car parks such as them have held the city to ransom over the past few years for a huge amount of improvement projects. All so they can have access maintained to their extortionate car parks. Good riddance if they suffer.