Would you fight for Dublin like Ukrainians are for Kyiv?

arthursway

If a foreign superpower was invading us like Russia is Ukraine,

How many of you would stay and fight and be willing to die for this country?

Our capital has given so many so much in recent times.

Would it be a case of those who have prospered most on six figures for tech companies pissing off to safe locations while lower classes forced to stay picking up arms to defend this country?

Would you put your life on the line for this countries independence or would you go to a safe place and virtue signal on social media how you donated to the cause on some fundraiser?

Would you be willing to die for Dublin like the brave people of Kyiv have been willing to die for their beloved Ukraine?

Absolutely not.

If I could get myself and my family somewhere safe, that's what I would do.

I would fight to protect my love ones, not a place.

arthursway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796784#Comment_118796784

I understand what your saying your family is paramount.

But would you not send them to a safe country and stay yourself and fight for this beautiful country like our forefathers did for our independence???

10000maniacs

Our ancestors did when it was last required.

arthursway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796788#Comment_118796788

Would you do the same?

10000maniacs

Hell yeah if the English did the same again.

arthursway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796790#Comment_118796790

I don't think it will be the English next time but would be happy to fight beside you 👍

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796795#Comment_118796795

Glad to hear it. But the whole thread is hypothetical, and that war of independence is our only frame of reference war wise.

JeffKenna

Not Dublin no, Cork yes.

freshpopcorn

I'd like to think I would but realistically I wouldn't be wanted.

I'd just go around bunping into people leave stuff fall and get in everybody's way.

arthursway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796801#Comment_118796801

As a cork man from the Northside I can proudly say the Russians would never take knocknaheeny.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796801#Comment_118796801

Cork no, Termonfeckin yes.

would I stay and fight ? Yes if I was given significant resources, automatic weapons, body armour etc…

im not going to take on the Russians with my set of Japanese steak knives and a baseball bat…

Our defence forces are woefully under equipped to repel any sort of organised or maybe unorganised force so if the Russian’s come…it’s…как дела ребята, похоже дождь…

MakersMark

I'd leave and let the Welfare class fight for me, for 2 reasons.

1. Least they could do after all the taxes I've paid.

2. Since British dole is only £55 a week, they'd fight like rabid Spartan warriors to keep their unending Irish benefits!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796786#Comment_118796786

No.

OneEightSeven

If I was alive during the invasions/rebellions, I would have fought in them. I wouldn't join an army that fights foreign wars but part of me wishes I was in Ukraine shooting down Russian helicopters with stingers or blowing up tanks with javelins, but Ukraine has conscription so I would just be a liability.

BingCrosbee

I’d let the travellers do the fighting. They could video themselves in the process and it would give them something useful to do.

malk518

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796804#Comment_118796804

The wouldn't make it past Baker's road!

brokenangel

Depends on which part, to be honest they could have a few sections of the city and fight for the rest

Some parts of Dublin if they actually took over them and had to deal with the locals I would expect that would be a better tactic than any gun fight to get rid of teh invaders

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796803#Comment_118796803

You could be our bullet absorber!

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796786#Comment_118796786

Except they did not fight for a beautiful country… I grew up in my grand uncle’s a veteran of the war of independence and for most of the war a member of a very active flying column. And I was lucky enough to have known many of the veterans in old age. I can’t recall any of them fighting for a beautiful country, it was always about the people and the way they were treated. The discussion in old age was always about the people and how their lot could be improved.

Would I fight yes, have I served yes. But it was drilled into me from a young age - “there is no point in having principles boy, if you are not willing to stand up for them”

Gael23

I wouldn’t risk my life for it no

StevenToast

I note how any thread ends up having a pop at the welfare class and travellers....never change boards...never change!

PokeHerKing

Id like to say I'd fight. I'm certainly republican minded. In saying that, very hard to say for sure. Fight or flight kicks in and you wont know what you're made of until its real.

Similar to Ukraine though, if you dont get out early you won't be allowed leave. Once you can't leave you certainly will fight as not much option for anything else.

sydthebeat

If all military aged men were conscripted, how many of ye would refuse and bring the shame of cowardice down on your family's name?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797061#Comment_118797061

The majority. The fact most people in Ireland don't know which end of a gun is the right one is a problem but a lot of them would be running as soon as trouble comes around the corner.

We have a huge population who think been a hard man on the internet means they are a hard man in real life.

Fuascailteoir

Depends on if an energetic charismatic leader emerged. If it was martin asking then I would consider siding with the invaders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797061#Comment_118797061

There's absolutely no shame in fighting a war you don't believe in. It's more cowardly to fight for something because you are told to.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797150#Comment_118797150

So that's you out anyway. Next

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797150#Comment_118797150

What do you mean you "don't believe in"

The whole premise of this thread is your country has been invaded

Are you saying you would refuse to believe the country had been invaded?

Or you don't believe your country being invaded is a legitimate reason to wage war on the invaders?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797208#Comment_118797208

Oh I am sure plenty of people would come out and suddenly don't believe in war if the premise of the thread ever happened.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797224#Comment_118797224

Yeah, they are called "cowards"

It would be my duty to stay and fight.

I would make sure to get my family out first, I have dealt with victims of war crimes and those that had to live through horrendous things, no way would I allow my family to stay.

Donald Trump

Why would we need to?

We have been building up an army of zombies to protect us.

Those junkies along the boardwalk that you casually dismiss are genetically engineered super-soldiers of the future. You just didn't realise it. The Ruskies will be sh1tting themselves when they are faced with an army of unstoppable bodies moving in mass towards them looking for a Euro. Dev was way ahead of his time in putting that particular research program in place back in the early days.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797208#Comment_118797208

I'm saying that I don't care about "my country" enough to risk mine or my family's life. I like Ireland and even though it has its faults, it's a good place to live. If it became a place that I thought was a bad place to live, I would leave.

I have no emotional bond to it other than I like living here.

Of course in this hypothetical, it is devoid of specific details, alternative arrangements and ramifications caused by Ireland being taken over which may change my opinion, but I can't see any plausible reason for me to "fight for my country".

Every soldier feels he is fighting a just war.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797234#Comment_118797234

Lol

faceman

If Ireland was invaded, the law would be rapidly changed to accommodate conscription, and most likely all males over 18 would have to fight whether they liked it or not.

Those claiming they wouldn't fight would be then be at risk of arrest and branded traitors and cowards.

I have no allegiance or love for Ireland beyond the fact I was born and raised here. I hate the politics and bullshoite of the country and our delusions of grandeur with our place in the world.

BUT, I couldn't stand idly by and not fight for our home and more importantly the people around me. I may not be in deep love in Ireland but I do not want some foreign power taking it away from us. Equally I would expect most politicians to be taking a leaf out of the political ranks of Ukraine and doing the same.

That all being said, I would be killed as soon as the first bullet is fired. Probably because I was trying to find somewhere to charge my phone.

Gamer Bhoy 89

I'm from Scotland so if my country was being invaded, I'd have to hit up the local costume shops first.

...Ghost...

I'm not sure I would "fight for my country", but I would do my damn best to defend those who couldn't get out, or were too stupid/stubborn and stayed. If that meant picking up a rifle, then yes, I would.

downcow

What would happen if the Russians decided they were going to up the anti by provoking non-nato countries eg cruising around Irish waters in a battleship? Not completely out of the question. I guess Finish waters would be first

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797329#Comment_118797329

I'd imagine the same thing as has happened for the last 20 or 30 years they have been doing exactly this.

Have a sit down and discuss whether one or two ships or aircraft is a serious invasionary force and act accordingly. It really isn't that difficult to assess.

goldenmick

If they threatened to bomb the Guinness brewery then I'd fight like feck.

Otherwise, no.

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797353#Comment_118797353

So at what point would this 'easy assessment' conclude that it was getting serious? and then what?

downcow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797304#Comment_118797304

I see and increasing number heading out from the North. I'm assuming this is being replicated in the south - anyone know?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-60752935

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797369#Comment_118797369

At that stage it would be time to set up the diesel washing business again 🤣

Critical for the fight for freedom

J_1980

No.

Id be on a one way flight to London.

would defend the UK though (I’m german, nationalized British citizen)

whisky_galore

Shelling could only improve some parts of Dublin.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058237714/would-you-fight-for-dublin-like-ukrainians-are-for-kyiv

Pointless question. It's very easy to sit here and say what we'd all do but none of us know how we'd react till we were actually in that situation. I'm sure some of the "warriors" would be the first to flee, and vice versa. Hopefully we'll never have to find out.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797369#Comment_118797369

As it always has. When they turn and go home again.

Not hard to investigate this in real life downcow, the Russians and NATO alliance have been playing these games for years now. Here's one from the 80's

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181108-the-wargame-that-could-have-ended-the-world

I'd fight for Dublin... WITH the invaders 😀

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796804#Comment_118796804

There are enough kips in russia without adding another

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797234#Comment_118797234

I know what im picking if the choice is an alive coward or a dead solider