You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120822955#Comment_120822955

Not to mention 12 year olds with unsupervised access on their mobile devices having access to context free pornography, why aren't the far right going after these parents?

Far easier to throw up a few vids on Telegram harassing librarians.

DeadHand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120822995#Comment_120822995

And that's enough boards for the day for me.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120822995#Comment_120822995

No he means

I mean who'd want to be teaching kids that gibberish?

WOKE Anheuser-Busch, owners of Bud Light, and also Modelo (the beer thick conservatives decided to choose instead of Bud Light) capitulated to right-wing terroristic threats.

This interview will be shown in public relation classes for decades to come.

2:50 - 4:10 is particularly disastrous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKcEgAUCOGw

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120823431#Comment_120823431

Fück them. They never cared about LGBT, they just saw a marketing opportunity which backfired. As if young cosmopolitan Americans drank that pïss anyway, they prefer the thriving micro brewing scene to redneck beer.

Flaneur OBrien

Sacked for ATTENDING a drag show and putting up on Facebook that you were there.

Land of the free my ass.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/27/texas-teacher-fired-drag-show

Maris said she was a devoted Christian and taught her students that God loved them all equally. “We should love everybody, and that’s what we’ve been teaching, but they’re expecting us not to do that,” she said.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120906320#Comment_120906320

I wonder, would Enoch agree this is getting sacked for expressing your freedom?

chopperbyrne

The contract would almost certainly be illegal in the EU, but the US has terrible employment laws, so may well be legal there.

As long as she wasn't promoting her social media to the students, and showing them images or videos of it, then she did nothing wrong.

Annasopra

https://jrnl.ie/6131154

It's not centrists or left wing people burning buildings and tents or threatening to burn buildings in Ireland.

How many fires or fire threats is it now

Rooskey, Moville, Kill, Buncrana, Finglas, Sackville Street, Wicklow Town, Athy

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120908016#Comment_120908016

As long as they didn't threaten to punch anyone....

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120908388#Comment_120908388

Just burning buildings and tents yet complaining about homelessness. Then in Ballybrack they smashed the building up.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907382#Comment_120907382

Careful now.

95% of primary schools, and about half[*] of secondary schools, in Ireland are "religious patronage" and are specifically exempt from most employment equality law. They can quite legally :

• refuse to hire you if you're not the 'right' religion
• fire you if you stop going to mass, church events etc.
• fire you for cohabiting with a person you are not married to in the eyes of their church regardless of your civil married status
• fire you if you come out as an atheist or convert to another religion

The only legal brake on their "rights" is that since a few years ago they are legally prohibited from sacking teachers who come out as gay.

Oh and yes, all of these teachers are fully paid out of our taxes. We pay the money but the Roman Catholic Church and Church of Ireland call the shots.

Our education system is still run under a model which was deemed inadequate in the early 19th century but the churches insisted on retaining control and still do.

[*] Many of the remaining secondary schools, such as ETB, are not officially under religious patronage but are, in effect.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120821585#Comment_120821585

"Chapter 8: Where to Meet People Like You

Edit

This chapter talks about concepts like gaydar, safe spaces (specifically the gay scene and what that might look like). It also talks about dating, and different places or ways to meet people, including directions and suggestions for using Grindr and other hookup apps.[7]"

So what happens if someone under 17 acts on this advice?

Here is what could happen to homosexual men and women if a naive child wanders into their scene and lies about their age: criminal convictions, being put on the sex offenders register, physical and mental abuse in prison from the other prisoners etc., etc.

So why distribute it to anyone under 17?

It was taken off a children's reading guide in Ireland after 'concerns and complaints' from 'campaigners'.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41110669.html

Hotblack Desiato

Get ta fuk.

Kids under 17 have sex. Always have.

Not always with the opposite sex either.

The 1850s called...

McHardcore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120823431#Comment_120823431

They really screwed the pooch with both the marketing, and how the handled the fallout. They ended up p*ssing off both sides.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923726#Comment_120923726

So, just to clarify, the book talks about dating and online dating?

Are you oppose to 16-17 year old kids who are NOT gay being taught about dating and online dating?

Or are you under the impression the book is actually teaching them how to set up an online dating profile and line up one-night-stands? Because even if that were the case, you can't actually use Grindr (or any other dating website, gay or straight) if you're under 18. So what would the point of this be...?

Personally, I'd be totally in favour of teenagers being taught about dating and the safety and danger protocols involved - would you not be?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923753#Comment_120923753

The point has gone over your head.

Kids under 17 have sex with, mostly, each other. They do not join adult scenes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923770#Comment_120923770

Funny how some people can never debate an issue without lying and exaggerating about it (unless you actually believe that the book is genuinely encouraging underage kids to illegally sign up to dating platforms, but I'm seriously guessing that's not the case) - but then if you didn't, your argument would die a very quick death, wouldn't it?

As I put it to another poster on the left-wing thread: do you ever stop to think that these lies and exaggerations (which they are, let's be honest) might actually BE the threat itself?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923770#Comment_120923770

There is no point. You dumped some link to derail the thread.

sekiro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923907#Comment_120923907

Someone can correct me if I am wrong here and I will remove the content of this post. However, I believe that the precise section from the book is as follows:

"How sex apps work:

1. Upload a tiny pic of yourself to the app.

2. The app works out your location.

3. The app tells you who the nearest homosexuals are.

4. You then chat to them.

5. Because they are near, it is easy to meet up with them.

...if you’re looking for the ubiquitous “fun” (the words “sex,” “shag,” and the F-word, ironically, are banned on most sex apps), be upfront about it and then no one’s feelings are going to get hurt."

Can someone explain to me precisely why a grown adult would actually want to give this "how to" guide to young people? I understand that the book is targeted towards the teen demographic?

What doesn't particularly sit well with me is the fact that a grown adult sat down and thought "ok I need to tell the kids exactly how to use sex apps" and then decided this was something that absolutely had to go in their book.

"But the apps don't allow people under 18 to sign up!"

It’s Too Easy for Minors to Join Dating Apps - The Atlantic

Does the book actually follow up it's handy guide to using sex apps with warnings about the possible dangers?

Like I said, I do wonder what's going on in the mind of an adult who thinks it's a good idea to target this content to people under the age of 18.

"But they can see anything on their phones these days."

Sure, that's a good argument to have a section in the book warning them about the dangers of these apps and other internet forums or communities that the kids might stumble into. Not a good argument for giving them a how to guide.

Worth nothing that our "how sex apps work guide" makes no mention of needing to be 18. Funny how that works.

I think if people took the political battles out of the equation then anyone with a bit of common sense would see the problem here. Or at least would see the potential problems.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924134#Comment_120924134

Teaching someone how something works is not the same as encouraging someone to use something. This is just basic information. The key line there is "how sex apps work" - not "how to get laid". If anything, it's a bit simplistic - most kids have created a profile on a social media website at some point, so they'll already know steps one and two.

And bear in mind society does this with a lot of things - we teach kids how to vote, for example, but we don't actually let them do it until they're over 18. Driving is another example: kids are shown how to drive when they're 15 or 16, but they're not legally allowed to do it until they're 17.

The misconception here is that you assume that it actually encourages them to register a profile and actively look - does any part of the chapter advise this? I'm not sure if it does, but I find it very difficult to believe that it does, considering it's illegal and the author would have been arrested if so. What I would criticise is the possible lack of safety information, but for all I know that could de dealt with extensively. I'm trying to find out more at the moment.

So that's the evidence for "no it does not actively advise". Mostly based on common sense, which is why I was suspicious of the previous poster (although you, to be fair have actually done SOME research, they didn't).

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924074#Comment_120924074

Flaneur O'Brien dumped it for context so I discussed it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924505#Comment_120924505

Correction - Franeur dumped it for context so you decided it was encouaging teenagers to have one-night-stands with adults and ran with it.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924535#Comment_120924535

So I didn't dump it? Flaneur did. I gave my opinion and you don't like my opinion.

Great, we're all up to speed now.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924549#Comment_120924549

Never said you did - different poster.

Anyway, you said:

So what happens if someone under 17 acts on this advice?

It's not advising or encouraging someone under 17 to do anything.

Kids under 17 have sex with, mostly, each other. They do not join adult scenes.

The opinion here is that the book encourages 17 year olds to join adult scenes.

This is a baseless exaggeration. You are entiteld to an opinion, of course, but you're not entitled to exaggerate it to the point of implying something that's simply not true.

==

In your opinion, do you think this book is actively encourageing kids to join adult dating sites and contact adults for sex? Simple yes or no.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924549#Comment_120924549

Expanding on the logic used for your opinion would also mean educating kids about sex would lead to them having more of it which every study has proven to be absolutely untrue, all that happens is those that are having sex are doing it safer. Therefore your opinion is uninformed bigoted right wing alarmist nonsense.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924591#Comment_120924591

Show us some of these studies then. I'm intrigued.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924602#Comment_120924602

Here's an article linking to a comprehensive study, i'll quote some of the key findings listed in the article just to make things easier for you.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5792939/effects-of-no-sex-education/

Education decreases pregnancies through increased contraception use.

The very low teen pregnancy rate in Switzerland exists in the context of long-established sex education programs, widespread expectation that sexually active teens will use contraception, free family planning services and low-cost emergency contraception. In the study, researchers noted teen pregnancy rates vary with levels of education and cultural background of adolescent girls.

But shows no increase in sexual activity

The report also found that sex-ed courses did not lead to earlier sexual activity in young people.

And heres the study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4852976/

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924134#Comment_120924134

Can someone explain to me precisely why a grown adult would actually want to give this "how to" guide to young people? I understand that the book is targeted towards the teen demographic?

Because 17 year olds giving each other that advice would be incredibly stupid and almost certainly incorrect.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924602#Comment_120924602

Hang on.

You, a grown adult, doesn’t believe sex education for children makes them safer and more informed?

Thats just complete and utter ignorance. Nothing more and nothing less.

Do you mind me asking if you have children yourself?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924134#Comment_120924134

So dating apps weren't remotely a thing when I was a teen. However they are the norm now. Be it tinder or Grindr, I'd prefer for teens to know how to safely use such platforms and the etiquette for doing so before they come of age. That's making things safer for them and everyone else when they do eventually join such platforms. Education has to change with the times and awareness prior to turning 18 is better than an 18 year old diving in with no knowledge.

Also worth noting that the library thugs are going after both fictional and factual books. It's an effort to ostacise the LGBT community. I'm pretty sure if Adrian Mole was attracted to a boy instead of a girl, they'd be labeling it as grooming of the youth.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925343#Comment_120925343

To be fair, the "library thugs" tend to go after the trans community than the gay community, but the reasons for doing so are equally ignorant.

Demonise the people you don't want, tell lies about them - BIG lies - and then get people to believe the lies and create an atmosphere of fear based on nothing but deliberately promoted ignorance. It's been the way from Goebbels to McCarthy to Nixon to Trump to Putin. And THAT is where your dangers lie, people.

I.R.Y.E.D

Death penalty for Bowers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/robert-bowers-tree-life-synagogue-shooting-b2386564.html

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120822865#Comment_120822865

At what age do you think children should learn about sex?

We have had this discussion before in Ireland, post Ann Lovett, the x case.

I remember the LLS and those awful nutjobs who didn't want anybody to have sex outside of marriage, never mind learn about it or use contraception.

Move on 35 years... now its gay sex, same crowd, (not literally) same moronic carry on, about teenagers learning about something that many will be looking up online from the age of 12 anyhow.

Have none of ye children or been teenagers yourselves? 🙄

For those parents who are throwing hissy fits over a teen how to book, look at your children's social media and talk to them about what they see and read most weeks from their friends and others not so friendly, about sex.

I would rather they read a book like the one described or whatever the direction they might be leaning, and I gave them the chance to discuss anything. Most teens would cringe at the thought of talking to their parents abput sex, but at least they know their parents are at least ' willing to' discuss or are supportive.

The burn the books /shut the discussion down people have had their day.

Flaneur OBrien

This is why gay pride still has to be a thing, and why intolerance cannot be tolerated. RIP

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/20/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121006258#Comment_121006258

What?

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121006312#Comment_121006312

A quote from a prominent friend of the victim in this incident:

“This intolerance has to end. Anyone using hateful language against the LGBTQ+ community has to realize their words matter, that their words can inspire violence against innocent loving people. Let’s all keep moving forward with tolerance and love. Let’s not let Lauri’s tragic death be in vain.”

Using sarcasm to shine a light on the "low level" hate speech that propagates and allows an environment to develop where someone is murdered because the chose to fly a flag is not in any way cynical.

It is the people who use the type of language mirrored in the post to facilitate an environment that has resulted in this crime.

These are some of the replies to the victims friend on X.

What is vile?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121006404#Comment_121006404

What's vile is turning someone's murder into a political agenda.

Speculating that it was a person of colour, speculating that it was a theft, specualating that diversity and acceptance are agendas, speculating that it's the LGBTQ movement's fault that she was shot...

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121006417#Comment_121006417

Exactly - and using sacasm to shine a light on the complicity of such views in this type of hate crime is appropriate.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121006432#Comment_121006432

Not sure where that comes from, I was just answering your question. Unless you're talking about the raindbow flags turning kids trans comment

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121006432#Comment_121006432

It's 2023. It gets harder and harder to tell what is sarcasm and what is real. I can guarantee that there are people out there that would agree with your comment:

Its their own fault for rubbing it in peoples faces. The poor straight men in that town couldn't walk down the street without being reminded about the gays. And innocent children were being turned trans just by looking at the flag. What else were they supposed to do.

And take it 100% on face value. That's why I had to ask if it was sarcasm or not. It's also very hard to read sarcasm in text, so putting something like [/sarcasm] helps.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121005786#Comment_121005786

Not even a member LGBTQ+ community. Gunned down for simply expressing her support.

Married with nine children - an incredible loss all around.

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121012634#Comment_121012634

More info on the right wing terrorist

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7ed4q/laura-carleton-pride-flag-shooting

Flaneur OBrien

More right wing terrorism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/29/lyra-mckee-mural-vandalised-in-florida

The graffiti showed a swastika and sniper’s crosshairs and a message: “Protect lives saves kids’ eyes from trans lies.”

Some mental gymnastics there. “We’ll save lives by taking lives”.

Arseh*les.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121043456#Comment_121043456

So much for "freedom of speech"

francois

Hefty and justified sentences for far right Proud Boys leaders

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/31/joseph-biggs-sentenced-proud-boys-jan-6?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054615#Comment_121054615

I'd imagine they've got an eye on the public outcomes if Trump's found guilty or loses another election and the intent of making people think twice before they start riots in or outside govenrment bulidings with the intention of overtunring legally rached decisions.

Hotblack Desiato

Pour encourager les autres?

I don't think so really because these sentences are deserved.

Attempts to subvert the democratic foundation of the state have to be dealt with most severely if that state is to survive. (They can lock up the GOP gerrymanderers for 17 years each while they're at it.)

Good morning, all, make sure you thank Hitler today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHXt4MaLHvY&ab_channel=News2Share

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I think this just reinforces the point: the dangers are coming from the extremists on BOTH sides. Can we not just round them all up an dlet them kill each other?