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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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    #4652
    RobbieV
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442616#Comment_121442616

    Think you may have missed the overall point. I'ts unlikely the countless hours spent arguing with strangers on the internet will ever mean anything ever. Government are using the opportunity to push through all sorts of laws.



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    #4653
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Just had a look at the article, his overall point is that social media platforms need to moderate bad actors that amount to a handful of individuals attempting to incite violence. Examples would be announcing somebody has died when they have not.


    Also just to note, this could equally be used against bad actors on the left.



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    #4654
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442621#Comment_121442621

    I didn't. Any time someone wants to discuss the far right, the response is every bad faith tactic in the book.

    If you so concerned about what the government is doing, what action are you taking to stop them?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #4655
    RobbieV
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442627#Comment_121442627

    I'm highlighting what the government are doing while you are arguing with strangers on the internet.



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    #4656
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442631#Comment_121442631

    Ie, nothing but lecture people online.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #4657
    RobbieV
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442639#Comment_121442639

    How's the argument going? Any sign of a breakthrough?

    Meanwhile government bring in laws that affect us all. Almost unchallenged



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    #4658
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442643#Comment_121442643

    Do something about it then if it's that bad.

    We're done here.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #4659
    RobbieV
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442656#Comment_121442656

    Would you be interested in helping out a campaign?



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    #4660
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,928 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442621#Comment_121442621

    Whatabout whataboutery.

    We can clearly seen now there is a huge far right threat in this country with all of their violence and intimidation over the last 5 years.

    You are attempting to deflect for "rights being eroded" - That's not happening. There is no right to incite hate. There is no right to incite violence. There is no absolute right to free speech.

    There are rights to be safe and to be free from torture and discrimination. Government are vindication these bringing in new laws.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #4661
    RobbieV
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121444809#Comment_121444809

    Your point aside,I couldn't disagree with you (the individual) any more than I do.

    Each to their own etc



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    #4662
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,928 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121445049#Comment_121445049

    Why? Do you think there are rights to incite violence and hate? Do you think all of the violence from far right over the last 5 years is imaginary?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #4663
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/12/05/most-ireland-is-full-and-irish-lives-matter-online-posts-originate-abroad/

    Remember similar for an attack in Cork years ago. You get all the Nazis from across the globe fixating on causing problems via social media. Iirc, even with the anti trans rallies, you had the likes of Britain First showing up at them. Does illustrate who the far right in Ireland are in bed with and their efforts to import outrage from abroad.



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    #4664
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,115 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442643#Comment_121442643

    Isn't that what they do every day....?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121456222#Comment_121456222

    Well, it wasn't Justin Barett pulling the strings on his own, lets be honest .

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #4665
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,129 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442403#Comment_121442403

    Jobstown was a disgrace which should have resuted in jail time IMHO and started the whole sorry process of demonising and personally attacking politicians which the far-right are now only too happy to continue and intensify. The far-left headbangers and the far-right headbangers have a lot more in common with each other than with anyone else.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #4666
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    The vast majority of the "far right" rioters would either be not political at all, or if asked who they'd vote for say Sinn Féin, a left wing party.



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    #4667
    Economics101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I'm normally sceptical of anti hate-speech legislation, but Richard Boyd Barrett might lead me to change my mond.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/12/04/boyd-barrett-defends-labelling-israel-a-psychopath-state-as-tanaiste-accuses-td-of-spreading-hate/#:~:text=Mr%20Boyd%20Barrett%20denied%20spreading,apartheid%20system%20that%20Israel%20operates

    He clearly wants a world without Isreal, and probably denies that he wans a word without Jews. ???



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    #4668
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users Posts: 886 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    All you ever hear about regarding the right these days is the far-right. The term is losing meaning. Who would people say is "moderate" or "reasonable" right leaning these days?



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    #4669
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,928 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458756#Comment_121458756

    My view on that is Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and some independents are moderate/reasonable right wing

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #4670
    I.R.Y.E.D
    Registered Users Posts: 745 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121456222#Comment_121456222

    Ah the Irish patriots grabbing their ankles for groups who think Irish people should be attacked in the U.K.



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    #4671
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,691 ✭✭✭buried


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458756#Comment_121458756

    There is no "far right" in Ireland. The "far right" is a term denoted to equal the policies of the mid 20th Century German National Socialists (The Nazis) and other wholescale tenets of totalitarianism Fascist doctrine.

    There is literally nothing in Ireland that espouses the same tenets that the mid 20th Cen National Socialists wanted to achieve. There is no large scale political group that wants to see public executions, the eradication of free speech, wholsescale total pogrom's of minority groups, the invasion of neighboring states etc.

    If there is, then let the likes of The Irish Times point it out.

    Well, maybe you can pin point with the free speech angle, but that's the current establishment doing that craic, so the likes of The Irish Times definitely won't.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #4672
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,928 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458964#Comment_121458964

    Yeah - there was no burning down of hotels, there was no burning out of tents, there were no threats made in Finglas to burn out DP centres, there were no threats made in Athy or Wicklow to burn down hotels, there was no gallow in front of the dail, there was no nooses in front of the dail, there have been no calls to kill all immigrants, no calls to stamp to stamp on the presidents head. Its all imaginary.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #4673
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,691 ✭✭✭buried


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458990#Comment_121458990

    But that's because you have a total wholescale state sanctioned order for the state to import unlimited numbers of un-vetted, un-documented migrants into a state that can't look after their own citizens, let alone unlimited numbers of God knows who else into the equation.

    This is the problem. It's not down to the "far right", it's down to the total wholescale mismanagement of the current state. Trying to fob it off on something that doesn't actually exist is actually a tenet of the real "far right".

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #4674
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459038#Comment_121459038

    So the people arguing for beating up and murdering migrants on the telegram channels were moderates?



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    #4675
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,928 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459038#Comment_121459038

    No. All of this is politically motivated violence and politically motivated violent threats. Absolute and utter drivel to claim there is no far right in Ireland when all these violent acts and violent threats are real.

    There is no justification for any of the far right extremist violence.

    The far right is very real in Ireland. The far right is violent in Ireland.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #4676
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,691 ✭✭✭buried


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459061#Comment_121459061

    They're just scumbags. You get them all over. I drove into town earlier today and four young teenage scumbags threw a bunched up frostball at my car, when I pulled up and told them I was going to call the Gaurds, they said they would murder me. Are they "far right" too? Or just another symptom of the total current mismanaged state?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #4677
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,928 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459061#Comment_121459061

    Apparently they were justified and its far right to call out the violence and violent threats 🤣🤣🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #4678
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458802#Comment_121458802

    Are ya having a laugh!

    The leftie lib wokeness is dripping off the lot of them.



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    #4679
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,081 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458964#Comment_121458964

    There is no "far right" in Ireland. 

    There is literally nothing in Ireland that espouses the same tenets that the mid 20th Cen National Socialists wanted to achieve.

    https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1618143809791234048

    You wouldn't associate wanting to wipe out the jews with "mid 20th Cen National Socialists"?



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    #4680
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459077#Comment_121459077

    The Gardai view them to be far right. The same lot harassing library staff over books aren't far right? Just standard moderates harassing library staff? If a grouping behaves like the far right, at a certain point it becomes reasonable to say they are far right. Reminded a bit of how people downplayed the capitol insurrection cause it exposed what a dangerous lot they align with.



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