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Ukraine Homes

  • 10-03-2022 9:58am
    Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    I read there is a response from UK about our open door policy to Ukraine and we take 100000... 3

    Where will they live...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    I think Tìr na nÒg is due to reappear shortly. That should be able to house a few thousand nicely.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    Peace talks have started over there. It may be the case that cooler heads will be able to hammer out some sort of a deal before thing escalate and other countries get sucked in. If the fighting ceases, there should be no need for anything close to 100k refugees to come here as those people will be needed to help with rebuilding. We can be hopeful.

    If that doesn't happen, I think that it will be a disaster.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭ patnor1011

    Refugees who plan to return usually stay close to border they crossed. That means Russia, Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova.

    Majority of refugees who move further away from home may have lost everything or simply want a change, these people do not intend to come back. So whatever number will come in here you can bet that most of them will want to stay. Which is quite understandable. Social welfare here is more than they can earn in most of jobs over there.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,782 ✭✭✭✭ Loafing Oaf

    If that doesn't happen, I think that it will be a disaster.

    Yeah I mean in theory the ultimate ceiling on this is the entire 45M population of Ukraine (+any other countries the bould Vlad decides to invade)

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,643 ✭✭✭ Caranica

    12,000 people have registered housing offers in their homes with the Irish red cross at the last count, that's more than enough to cope with the current demand.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    I think it's great and 12000 people have signed up... Going forward the people who stay will need homes... Who will provide for this... Like a plan...

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭ BailMeOut

    worst-case scenario we will build tent cities on public land just like refugee camps in other countries. The Phoenix park would be an option as there is a lot of space there.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    I think that this is a perfectly reasonable proposal. These people are not immigrants; they're war refugees from what will (hopefully) be a temporary conflict. If I left Ireland for same reasons, I'd just be happy to have shelter without the fear of death before I returned home.

    However, what I greatly fear is that certain groups are going to try to profit from this latest episode of human misery.

  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭ Subzero3

    Even if they all left the housing crisis is not going to be fixed any time soon.

    If a Ukrainian or other emigrant gets a job, is that considered Co-habiting from a welfare/tax point of view, if they are staying in your household?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭ mumo3

    @patnor1011 "Social welfare here is more than they can earn in most of jobs over there." But the cost of living here is a lot higher, nowhere near covered by social welfare payment. People are also going on about the receipt of medical cards, but again try get a GP to take you on and your first experience waiting 12+ hours in A&E will dampen that freebie right down.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    This conversation goin slightly different direction than I intended as I was more thinking we need be responsible taking people in without papers unless we can offer them a future better than an welfare...

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik

    And if you think thats going to happen I have some grass that i want to sell you :)

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,867 ✭✭✭ Claw Hammer

    If I think what is going to happen?

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,137 ✭✭✭✭ Varik

    The red cross did the same for Syrians, I think a lot were rejected or just didn't follow up.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    Someone can correct me but I think it's possible people arriving without papers are Irish if they want to be...

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    I personally would not take in a refugee unless they were someone whom I knew. This may seem a little cold, but I simply would not be comfortable with letting a total stranger into my home, and I cannot imagine that many people would be comfortable with that.

    In truth, I think that the housing of 100k refugees in private homes will be a non starter. At best, most people who could do this would only be able to take in one or maybe two people tops, and only for a limited time. How many would have the space or the means to take in a whole family? If the Irish state is to take in such numbers, the powers that be need a plan on what to do with them or there will be a disaster on the way.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    Good idea...

    My concern for the people that arrive from homes... Can they have a home here if they stay long term...

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ Squeeonline

    Buy the dip! Time to get into the ukrainian property market. Due to bounce back any day now!

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭ Yellow_Fern

    We certainly should be helping those in need and I don't object to Ukrainian refugees getting help, but what grates my ears is how people who are keen to take very large numbers are the same people whinging about the government failing on house prices. Policy has consequences.

  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭ laoisgem

    Ah here, no debate is allowed? seriously? the public have been asking for change for quite a while now

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    I don't think that I can even point out what I'm referring to without getting the thread closed. Read between then lines, if you know what I mean :(.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭ Danno

    IIRC after the dust had settled on that there were less than 100 households that took them in. Alot of your lofty D4 types would have screenshot their pledge and posted it on platform just for the loikes.

    One thing we could do in this country to help with these refugees is for government to come up with a programme to house them in holiday homes, there are thousands of these sitting idle for months upon months all around our coastlines. Offer owners free LPT charges for a few years in return for housing them, add a sweetener of covering holiday home insurance, etc... to make it attractive.

    This would have the benefits of helping the refugees and also not putting further pressure on accommodation rental prices, hotel room prices and also the housing market.

    If Govt instruct that houses or hotel rooms are bought up to cater for the refugees this will put further pressure on rent, house prices and hotel nights - the Government won't be forgiven for it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭ RichardAnd

    I remember that. There was an initial surge of virtue signaling, and then it died down. Apparently, 17k have signed up to take in a refugee. I wonder how many will follow up on the offer. I'd say many will change their mind, and I don't think we're quite so far gone as to force it on to people.